Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Some of these JJP doom and gloom comments make me laugh. Jack said at TPF they are sold out of every game at the factory. They are more successful today then they have ever been and have a big release with Wonka right around the corner and a second game being announced later this year.
Personally I think JJP is only going to grow as a company. I wouldn't be surprised though if Wonka is scaled back a bit in regards to featues.
YBR is a cash grab though lol. JJP also needs to stop with their unlimited "limited editions" and make LE counts lower. Theres only one true WOZ LE, it was made over 5 years ago and is called the ECLE.

Quoted from f3honda4me:

It changed because that's what they decided to change. They aren't announcing a game until it's ready or just about ready to be made and shipped. YBR is the first such example - they are making them just days after being announced. WW will be similar, made and shipping shortly after being announced. That is the business model JJP has decided to move forward with. But - they sacrifice being able to make games ad hoc whenever. So, to answer your question, they need to plan ahead on parts and estimate how many games they need or want to make. For POTC, they can't just magically make more from parts they don't have. And the parts don't just show up like amazon prime 2 days later on their door.

Quoted from drfrightner:

Man I'm sorry but you're one of the really crazy people on Pinside. Pinball is your passion got that but its a business first and foremost. Learn it love it and accept it. What you're is a potential customer for future games, nothing more. You don't work at JJP and you don't have control over their books, and thank God you're not their CEO! Let me address your points line by line.
1) The reveal wasn't about raising money that is the dumbest thing I've heard... it a reveal only in the sense that they brought the game to Texas Pinball. If you even bothered to listen to the presentation you would have heard JJP is NOT selling the game themselves. You can only buy the game thru a distributor. Let me inform you of something... I can almost promise you EVERY SINGLE GAME IS ALREADY CLAIMED. The Pinball Company even admitted their best selling game EVER is WOZ. Demand is there for more WOZ games from HIGH END distributors so they're a business last i checked, demand is there for their product so they're making more. What don't you understand here?
2) Yes Jack said they might do more why do you have a problem with that? Do you own a business is there something wrong with you? Would you pass on someone offering you more money to keep your business up and running? Do not confuse passion and business my friend. Why don't you go to Stern and tell them HEY WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP making Ghostbusters after like the 8000 game sold or ACDC see what kind of response you get. Everyone in the Pinball world needs to realize these are business trying to make money in a NICHE market. WAKE UP!
3) Jack didn't destroy the collectibility of anything, WOZ games still rarely come up for sale and when they do its for a TON OF MONEY. A HIGH END retail location here where I'm from just sold TWO Pirates LE for $12,500 yeah you got that RIGHT $12,500. Furthermore they're planning on selling these new WOZ games for like $15,000 and they will sell them. This doesn't hurt the value of your game it only increases.
4) Sales of Pirates probably did start off slow for Pirates but as you heard him say clearly THEY SOLD EVERY GAME they pre-ordered parts for. The game is awesome people love it, and as I stated some high end retailers here sold the game for $12,500 and it SOLD. And yes I predicted there would be another run and then Jack confirmed it saying never say never.
5) Extract every dime what in the hell is wrong with you... this is a business. They should get every dime possible are you living on planet earth. They have employees to pay, bills, are a liberal? Seriously! BTW you stole the Black Pearl Edition from me from another discussion... shame on you! LOL
6) POTC is NOT a shit franchise as the entire franchise has probably grossed well north of 10 billion dollars maybe even 15 billion with everything included. Disney will re-launch this franchise again. Disney is a licensing machine, but I'm sure a pinball game is such a small part of revenue from this franchise but a cool one none the less.
7) Its hard to keep responding your points like point seven because you seem to get more and more radical with each point.
So here is the bottom line for you my friend, aside from the fact you need to see a doctor, let me explain how JJP works.
They release a game, they're always numbered, then they stop making it to put a different game on the line, only to bring back the last one with a new special edition to it. Special almost always include new powder coating, artwork nothing major but always new sets of numbers. Here is a real prediction without ranting like you did...
1) Pirates off the line for 6 months. Demand builds to a point where they can sell the game to ONLY to distributors and only in limited quantity. They will release like another 250 in 6 months it will be called like Black Pearl Edition, with new artwork, new powder coating. Every game will be pre-sold.
2) For now they run another 250 WOZ games because every game is already SOLD! So have no fear there. Then Wonka will go on the line and that game will run until October.
3) In October they will announce they're taking Wonka off the line, to make 250 more Pirates.
4) Shortly thereafter they will announce probably at Chicago Pinball Expo GUNS N ROSES and its going on the line after they make 250 more special edition Pirates.
5) 6 Months after that... they will probably announce another 500 run of Wonka before Toy Story goes on the line.
This is just how they operate... nothing to get upset about this is their model. If you don't like it don't buy from them that simple!
#BLACK PEARL

Quoted from f3honda4me:

You said it yourself. They can't just magically make more ports for any game. They bought X parts to make X POTC. It was more successful than they anticipated, but the decision was made to continue with their plan to build YBR and then X game after that. So, they didn't order more POTC parts because they are trying to stick to their new game plan and schedule. This doesn't mean they never will order more POTC parts and build more. You're not understanding how it works in regards to planning these things out. There is a lead time on parts that is probably at least several weeks. I'm betting they were anticipating having some POTCs left over when they ran out of parts and instead they sold out. But they have a schedule to stick to, so they are sticking to it.

Quoted from drfrightner:

Collector games like WOZ sell very fast, and WAY ABOVE MSRP if you really want to know the truth. A high end retail store will sell those Yellow Brick Roads will end up selling for like 15k each. Bank on that. You can also bank on every single one they're making is already SOLD to their outlets. BANK ON THAT AS WELL!

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

You do realize Stern is charging $9k for LE's that have half as many features and have as much code right? I'm happy to keep selling my Stern pins for more JJP pins that are more fun to play, have more to do, are better built, and have far more code work going into them.

Quoted from LTG:

Sorry for my poor attempt at humor. I was just adding to JY64's post. Ignoring what is actually different on the game itself on the CE model.
LTG : )

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Says the fanboy who buys every single new game that hits the market.

Quoted from jeffro01:

The JJP hate is here is so freaking ridiculous... If you don't like their pins, don't buy one... It's really not complicated, yet we have several threads where all people are doing is bashing the brand and whining about how expensive they are, and blah blah blah... My two favorite pins in my measly little collection are, by far, my two JJP pins and I can't wait to purchase whatever JJP comes up with for Wonka. Seems like most of the complaining is about cost... Well you either can afford it or you can't and whining about it isn't going to change anything. JJP makes a very quality machine and provides great customer service behind the sale. I'm not going to bash any other maker either, Stern makes a solid machine as well.
Yeah I know I'm new around here and I expect to take some heat for this comment but seriously people...
Jeff

Quoted from f3honda4me:

Monkey mech aside yes it’s more like a CE.

Quoted from drfrightner:

This statement by you goes to show YOU KNOW NOTHING about pinball. There are THREE different groups that buy pinball. You clearly are in one group where you mostly trade for games changing some cash as well. Probably 90% of the people who are diehard pinball people buy and trade games every day, but the guy who spends 15 to 18k for this YBR edition will buy the game and will never sell it, and hardly ever play it.
People with a lot of money buy things because they can, what else do they do with their money? WOZ is by far the most detailed, themed, beautiful, nostalgic pinball game EVER MADE. WOZ is the Mono Lisa of pinball, and HIGH END RETAIL stores ones that sell HIGH END game room stuff, million dollar rugs (seriously), or $200,000 chandeliers, will sell this game for 15 to 18,000 easy.
You sit here and say what you said without even thinking about the Beatles fan who paid $20,000 plus for a Beatles game worth 5k really. So I think its the other way around its you who doesn't know anything.
The second buyer is a location buyers, who mostly buys PRO stern games, the cheapest model. The last buyers group is more of a collector group, they all have something in common they have a lot of money. They probably collect many things, from muscle cars, to what knows what, and buying a very limited edition game for their fancy garage, or game room is nothing.
Just because you're in the buy, sell, trade group who thinks NO ONE would pay this amount for a pinball, doesn't mean people won't. Get yourself out of the box you're trapped in because you're a totally clueless.
Beatles limited editions sold as its been reported up to 25k, yes that sounds insane totally... so why wouldn't the most beloved movie of all time with a limited edition plague sell for the same? Its you not thinking straight not me.
Once this goes on sale at one of the high end places around here, I'm going to take a picture and SHOW YOU!
The same place I'm talking about HERE also sold TWO Pirates LE for $12,500 each. Yeah you heard that right!
This same store told me they got some Black Knight LE and they will be selling those for 12k as well.
Those places offer warranty up to a year, they do this thing called WHITE GLOVE where they bring it to your house set it up, blah, blah... where you on the other hand are just like tear the box apart like its Christmas.
IT IS CLEARLY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUYERS BROTHER!
WOZ WILL SELL IN SOME PLACES FOR UP TO $18,000 you'll see!
Lastly, the people who think this game isn't going to sell, I have my sources its basically already sold out to their retail outlets. If you can muster up enough common sense, listen to what Jack said... THEY ARE NOT SELLING THE GAME DIRECT! Why? Because the game is basically already SOLD!
The main reason why some JJP have a tough time selling is the PRICE... everyone hear bitches about the price. Well retailers complain about not getting enough cut like compared to Stern. But with a game like WOZ they don't care because they're going to JACK UP THE PRICE and make more money off one WOZ game than TWO Stern Pro's.
How can they do that? Well because they can easy game to sell to the rich person who will pay for EVERYTHING to have something as limited as this.
You just need to embrace the REALITY there is more than ONE side to pinball.

Quoted from drfrightner:

There is an old saying, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
Jack who started JJP, had no experience as a mass production company of games. Jack had a dream, he set up a company, hired American's to build that dream with him. WOZ was the biggest game changer for pinball's comeback than any game in history. Love JJP or hate them you can't deny that. JJP was great for Stern and the entire industry. JJP like every pinball company has made mistakes, but give credit where its due, he's still here and still producing great games.
The crimes in this industry haven't been committed by Stern or JJP, but rather the here one day and gone the next companies who stole your money.
More start up companies will attempt to make a pinball game, and probably will fail, but as the other old saying goes 'YOU NEVER KNOW'.
JJP, like Stern is an American made product, hiring Americans to manufacture in a time and age where most manufacturing jobs have left for China.
Any company Stern, JJP, American Pinball, anyone producing their games in the USA deserves credit, even if you think their latest game sucks to high heaven. If you don't like something DO NOT BUY IT!
JJP does things his way, every game created from scratch, new concept each time, which means slow grinding process to market. Stern has their system refined, has the ability to design games much faster, but clearly no where near as innovative. Pros and cons to both styles, neither to be trashed if you like the end result.
What I find SICK and DISGUSTING is how some people feel the need to tear down JJP at every single turn, and start ridiculous threads where they offer OPINIONS as FACTS! When they're wrong and they get called out, the other haters just jump in trashing you. I can tell you my feelings aren't hurt one bit... I'm not here for my health I'm pointing out JJP is a great American made product and deserves more respect than threads like this one.
The only people on this thread who're bashing people are the ones who support the idea that JJP is somehow bad for the industry... that is how you come across. You come across like you would throw a party if they announced tomorrow they are going bankrupt. This is a very sad situation that some people almost like PAID protesters find new ways every week to tear down this company.
You constantly state OPINIONS as they're facts, your wrong someone like myself points that out and I'm the jerk.
People should be HAPPY we have more than ONE company making pinball and trying to make it work. Competition is great and without it then and only then will you understand how dark your passion can get when it comes to innovation, new products, and more.
Just saying... last week I saw someone post personal attacks against Jack himself, making fun of him personally, why? Jack was a pinball guy a player and he turned that passion into a start up business. That is an American success story that should be appreciated.
That is my view. I'm done with giving life to this thread. I will support JJP because they support this hobby and American workers who need their job to pay their bills, feed their families, who give their best every day for YOUR PASSION for PINBALL!
Not every game JJP makes or every price point you will like or agree with, but JJP has to do what they need to do for their company to THRIVE and its NOT ANY of our business how they run their company. When you find the opportunity to buy something they offer do it, when you don't, no reason to trash them up and down and back around again.
Just saying!

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

JJP is getting beat up over YBR in this thread more then the crap Stern pulled with Beatles Platinum and Diamond. Both of those games cost $2500 - $8500 more then YBR and come with 1/4 as many featues, half the build quality and 1/10 of the code (that's being generous). All 3 of those games are way over priced but if you want to talk about offering 0 value with a cash grab game look at Stern.
Also, I guess who cares about YBR, and Beatles Platinum / Diamond type games. Pinside and the average pinball owner is not the target audience for those games.
Yes, YBR is a cash crab but it's not JJP's next flagship game, doesn't represent their new pricing all of a sudden, and for the love of pinball it doesn't mean JJP is hurting for money. Time to move on.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Jeez, JJP pins are heavier and the cabinets don't crack at the corners unlike countless Sterns that weigh 100lbs less. Why is that? Please tell me.
Have fun buying corner brackets and then noticing that they can't be screwed in well due to the lower quality of wood recent Stern cabinets have. Yeah, JJP destroys Stern in build quality. I also expect there to be more tweaking in a JJP as there's far more in them. Want nothing to go wrong? Buy a Star Wars pro or Iron Maiden Pro as there's not a single toy that interacts with the ball in either.