1) That reveal was 100% about raising $$$ to put down on getting Wonka started. Do the math. 200 games x $10k net = $2 million. The "investors" said go raise the up front $$ yourself buddy. Hence, the YBR absolute F ing disaster and JOKE

2) Jack actually said that "we may do more than 200 later but it won't be more than......."

3) Jack had destroyed the "collectibility" of any JJP game.

4) The RUSH to buy Potc late is totally manufactured BS. Sales were crap until there was a "last call" announcement. Again, "hey guys, I've got a few pins outside in the trunk, let me show them to you"

5) After TPF, like everything else with JJP to extract every dime possible, there will be a BLACK PEARL EDITION coming next year. How do we know this? LOL

6) Yeah I'm thinking Disney doesn't give a F about how many games POTC sold, its a shit franchise now, and any FUTURE games make sense so Jack can make them for let's say another 3 yrs. It's what he does.

7) Disney is also Toy Story, enough said about the relationship thus far. POTC was a dismal seller from a licensing standpoint. DI or WOZ, who cares?

Bottom line, Jack lies when the truth would sound better. And now I'm probably gonna roll over my $$$ from POTCCE because, once again, its delayed, AND in Jack style, we know its coming again in another re skinned version.

#BLACK PEARL

No I have my Alien Delt. Have you received yours yet?

Watch it happen, haha!

Tick tock

That might be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard from a long term business perspective!

We do have a lot of dumbasses in this hobby though.

If you have been around long enough you KNOW what the reality is.

Congrats dude! It is one of the best pins ever!

No shit Curly. It's love/hate? I was the #1 kool aid drinker back in the "old days" as you know.

And yet here we are today. Same old F ing BS.

Can't count on a thing with JJP.

History continues to repeat itself

See above.

Wash, rinse and repeat with Jack 8 years later

Thank you T Dog!

You should at least know what you are getting when you pay that kind of $$

No one should be surprised if people waffle after that YBR $$ grab.

I mean its actually kind of funny in an absurd sort of way. Like JG said, the same game has gone from $6500 to $11,500. The fact that its a "YBR version" makes it what?

So tell me how ANYONE justifies the $11,500 price tag on YBR is "collectibility" means NOTHING? Explain that one to me.

#Black Pearl edition

I don't "hate Jack". I don't like the business practices and the lies.

Please explain to me how "collectibility" or 1 of something means NOTHING with JJP and then here comes the $11,500 price tag for YBR?

What are you paying $11,500 for again? I'm waiting?

They price a game as IF it means something.

Exactly my point. Crazy to buy a YBR at that price

Why would I buy a “collectors edition” POTCCE, their words, for $12,500 when there will be many more versions of the same pin down the road

Create the narrative that Potc is finished to drum up sales, put out YBR to grab cash

Call me cynical but 2+2=4. Raise a pot of $$ to build Wonka

Potc is NOT finished and Black pearl version is coming

So i won't go through the ridiculous diatribe you posted line by line because its not based in any sort of reality as to what is actually going on.

You and a whole lot of other people have the wrong idea and just summed up the problem with that last sentence!

The solution is NOT "if you don't like it don't buy from them that simple". That's an idiotic business approach.

Make me want to spend $10k or $12.5 with you, not F you if you don't like how we do things. I buy games from everybody.

In fact, I paid $12k for a POTCCE that delivery is delayed because of the issues mentioned here.

I'm not rowing in a one man boat here

The "end of the line" narrative accelerated demand and orders, including myself. I bought one because i think it looks like a great pin.

There will be another run of Pirates next year to satisfy any demand, no worries.

You can def still get an LE or CE if you want one. "Waiting on parts"

Waiting for the DR response, I'll give it another hour, it takes him a while to gather thoughts and generate the essay

Calling me a moron is not very nice DR!

We have already established that JJP games are NOT "collector games" and to expect that kind of thing is crazy and if you don't like it then don't buy it.

Thus, "a collector Woz" is an oxymoron. The most sought after game ever? I have to cut you some slack since you have only been around a year or so and managed to make a lot of friends in the process but.....wow

And clearly, you have shown your ignorance re the statement about high end retail stores selling those YBR's for $15k! I am ROTFLMAO right now.

I have a friend that is in the "amusement business". I trust his opinion and judgment on things i don't know first hand about. And it ain't jiving with you

Woah, breaking news from Lloyd! Wonka is going to be shown at MGC AND shipping a few weeks after that.

That would be awesome.

And then GNR at Chicago. GREAT PLAN!!!

I used to say the exact same thing. Good luck

I thought Jack and Pat came to your house to set up and assemble the machine? Oh wait, that was Jpop

Its a good thing I'm both so we can keep things sorted out properly here!

A Wonka/Lawlor pin should be phenomenal, pricing aside.

Since you are new here, I get the frustration but for the past 8 yrs it’s been a love/hate relationship, lots of heated discussion, drinking, etc

At the end of the day we hug it out!

I have to remind myself not to get bent about lies or certain business practices of Jack

These are some of the same people that created “coin pushers”, Key masters etc and other evil coin op machines designed to separate kids/parents from their $$$

Yes, it’s a shame the good old days of pinball coin op is fading away.

I hear they made/making less than 100 "CE's" of this version this time.

Who was it or it didn’t happen

I’d like to know who the idiot is that I need to avoid

FACT. It won’t sell for $18k. Lucky to get $11.5k. Better move fast

FACT. The person that pays $18k for a YBR is a stone cold idiot. Not happening

To summarize:

YBR is a stupid $$ cash grab. The pathetic TPF seminar is indicative that they know it and should be embarrassed by it. Where the F is the monkey mech? The wooden apron and radcals are a joke, I would light them on fire before removing a game play feature like the monkey!

Fast forward.

Wonka. Grand Slam
GNR. Home Run
Toy Story. Home Run
Harry Potter. 4 Grand Slams in one game

Lol. If it’s not. The outrage will be off the charts

And I’ll be leading the way!

You have left me speechless Dr. See my "fast forward" comment above. What does that mean to you?

I feel like you should first of all take a chill pill and relax, secondly, re read what you write and edit appropriately, third, brevity is your friend.

There isn't a prize for word count.

Fourth, tone matters. The bull in a china closet doesn't work so well

Finally, FACT: Quit digging your own grave deeper and deeper.

Wow, you just told your own story

A total lack of self awareness

#whereistheYBRretailstore

Excellent point. Not to mention Chicago.

Deeproot has one advantage being here in south Texas.

You don’t know me very well then Dr!

It’s ironic that you of all people are talking about meltdowns

Thx for the laugh Guinness. Freaking hilarious

Clearly it has to be Dr Kman's mouthpiece? LOL

Dr Kman is like a bulldog ready to bust his chain right now

FACT

They made a "last call" for POTC because Wonka is ready and in order to launch two games this year they had to move on.

Simple as that.

They will re run Potc next year, Black Pearl edition.

I didn't see it but I'll take it! A no brainer.

Adam, Zadavoza is going from here. He is bringing back full report! Tax time tough.

As for the "CE" on POTC I'm not sure what so and so might have "1 left" means but they haven't built my game yet because they are "waiting on parts".

I found it funny myself