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One thing I am NOT - and that is a JJP Fanboy! 
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Quoted from guymontag451:Still waiting to see if Stern will ever get a true competitor in the marketplace. After just returning from TPF, and playing the other new pins like Oktoberfest, and Alice Cooper, and that Cosmic Carnival game, not to mention JJP's rehash of the same game, I am starting to doubt it. CGC is the only other company that is selling real units other than stern, and from an operator's perspective the only other company that can be trusted to deliver on what they promise. And within a reasonable timeline. Hopefully Jack can finally get it all together.
I think the issue is that JJP's goal was to be a premium pinball machine maker. That's why WOZ pulled out all the stops. It was ideally a step up from Stern in toys, innovation, LCD, and code. Stern then upped their game and raised prices according - but stayed just under JJP costing to appear more 'affordable'. Also they kick out so many games so fast it has a better chance of landing on someone's game preference.
Now we are expecting JJP to go against what they set out to do and be more like Stern or CGC. That just isn't in their blood. I think Jack should stick to their model - and not try to get into direct competition with Sterns approach. The next few releases will be key - I just think JJP underestimated the manufacturing costs, ramp up time, and that their pins did not have as much appeal to the average Pinside pinball buyer and player.
Maybe their next pin will have more universal praise and appeal for new and experience pinball players alike. I sure hope so...
Quoted from Skyemont:I agree. Ice hates Jack and thats fine. Are his prices high, hell yeah. Do you have to buy his pins, no. All i have to say is Sterns 9k LE is not worth it as well. Thats a fact. If these prices continue, i will just enjoy the older B and C titles.
True. Honestly I am going with HUO for a while (maybe forever).
In fact - keep me in mind when you go to sell your Toy Story in the future!
Quoted from f3honda4me:Jack should have kept the monkey in and called YBR a CE and held to making just 200 of them. This would have been more palatable as it could be seen as a price reduction in the CE line (down from the $12.5k POTC CE).
It probably isn't too late to do that. They really should call it a CE...
I wish somehow Jack could maybe just go with an SE edition - much like Hobbit did with Smuag and keep the LEs for - you know - LEs. They do need to find a way to do SE/LE model under the 10K mark. They can dabble with 11.5 and 12.5K with CEs - but they need to sell more pins in that SE/LE segment at volume.
Quoted from sethi_i:I find most of my non-pin friends don't even look up at the screen at the beginning. They just press start and plunge. They don't have any idea about "selecting" modes, characters or anything else.
Very true - even when it is 'clear' on the playfield what to shoot for 
After a while they will understand to shoot the flashing lights, then start understanding the locks, then modes, and then start looking at the screens for more info. Really the same process for games from Monster Bash, to TRON, to Hobbit.
Some want to play fast, simple yet challenging pins - others a longer game with deeper rule sets, and some in between the two extremes.
I have my favorites like everyone else - your money your time and your pins - enjoy! 
Maybe I should start thinking standard with JJP. Looks like they are $8,000 for DI, and $8,500 for WOZ, Hobbit, and POTC. Perhaps some distributors have standard models a tad lower? Heck a NIB JJP in the upper 7K range isn't bad at all for all that JJP gooey goodness My understanding is that they all PLAY the same.
You don't have to spend 10K plus for a new JJP and get all the LE bells and whistles.
Just a thought......In fact, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of getting a Toy Story Standard! While I am at it maybe an MBrSE is in my future. What the hell, I like Stainless Steel anyway. LOL.
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