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My Craigslist score for the day.....


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5 years ago



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#51 5 years ago

Thats a $2K+ machine all day long the way it sits for sure.

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

#52 5 years ago
Quoted from ChrisS:

Neo, I know you mean well by trying to educate others on the prices of machines. Unfortunately a lot of time you just have to let the market show what a machine's value is.
Most of us wouldn't pay that for this title but others will. Easiest to just let them go.
Congrats to the buyer for picking up a machine that could have sat for another 20 years or ended up in the trash.
chris

I ment this machine specifically. I'm sure nice ones go well over 2k.

#53 5 years ago
Quoted from donjagra:

It seems collectors today are into newer stern games and have no interest in fixing these older titles.

I hope this is true enough someday that I can pick up a nice Fathom after no one else wants them any more.

#54 5 years ago
Quoted from donjagra:

If you get it fully restored and put a new playfield in it, you can probably get $1500 out of it. It's cool, but there are a lot better machines out there at the $2000 mark.

Maybe you were being sarcastic, but I'd also be interested in seeing where in recent memory a fully restored Fathom sold for $1500.

#55 5 years ago

I sold a fully working twin sister to that game (playfield condition wise) for $1800 last year. Out of state buyer, sold in about 24 hours. Fun game if you can get past what sounds like a porn star guy having an orgasm every 30 seconds.

Good deal to the OP and there's no shame in making a little money every now and then.

#56 5 years ago
Quoted from ChrisS:

Neo, I know you mean well by trying to educate others on the prices of machines. Unfortunately a lot of time you just have to let the market show what a machine's value is.
Most of us wouldn't pay that for this title but others will. Easiest to just let them go.
Congrats to the buyer for picking up a machine that could have sat for another 20 years or ended up in the trash.
chris

How does anyone know what pins sell for??????

Ebay shill bids.....

No-one ever says what they buy or sell for.....and when they do how do you know it is the truth??????

GREAT SCORE AT 200!!!!!

#57 5 years ago
Quoted from scottc:

How does anyone know what pins sell for??????
Ebay shill bids.....
No-one ever says what they buy or sell for.....and when they do how do you know it is the truth??????

Unlike Neo (and you) I was speaking from experience having just recently purchased two Fathoms and selling one.

If you find a Fathom in any condition for less than $2000 you are ahead of the market.

If I could buy 10 like the OP has for $1500 each I would buy them all right now.

No "shill bids" involved.

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#58 5 years ago
Quoted from Gatecrasher:

Unlike Neo (and you) I was speaking from experience having just recently purchased two Fathoms and selling one.
If you find a Fathom in any condition for less than $2000 you are ahead of the market.
If I could buy 10 like the OP has for $1500 I would buy them all right now.
No "shill bids" involved.

Well now I have "YOUR" experience which gives us nothing, someone else that sold one for 1800 and this guy that bought his for 200, great score. What did you pay for the two you bought and one you sold??????

And what do you know of my experience???? geez

#59 5 years ago

John's word goes a long way with me that it is a 2k machine. I actually know of one in a non-pinheads basement in way better shape and they have asked me if I wanted it. I actually got it working for them a couple years ago but never had a lot of interest in the pin. I will make sure they realise they have some money sitting there! Wouldn't want someone to get ripped off or a pinhead to get a hell of a deal right?????????? People bought MM a couple years back for 15 and some found them at much cheaper prices. I knew of a 3k MM bought 3 years ago. The owner only wanted 500 bucks and the guy that bought it was nice enought to tell them what it was worth. Instead of trying to sell it for 10k they were happy they got 2500 more then they would of expected.....

#60 5 years ago

Related note in case that somebody decides to buy the machine listed in this thread and wants to restore its playfield.

I have for sale a repro playfield (the last edition made recently by CPR with a new set of plastics included). Contact me for more details about this part.

I also have for sale an used playfield with an overlay installed on it (See pics attached with this post). It is listed on Ebay (Auction # 351090555078).
Can sell it in a private deal for $590.00. Cost of shipping to the lower states is included in this price and can be paid with Paypal. International buyers are also welcome (contact me for a quote for the shipping cost) .

Robert

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#61 5 years ago
Quoted from scottc:

Well now I have "YOUR" experience which gives us nothing, someone else that sold one for 1800 and this guy that bought his for 200, great score. What did you pay for the two you bought and one you sold??????
And what do you know of my experience???? geez

I know you're full of crap.

That's enough for me.

How many Fathoms have you sold recently there "Mr. Every Auction on eBay is a Shill"?

lol

I've sold a ton of machines on eBay and I guarantee none of them had shill bidders.

You only find Fathoms for as cheap as this guy did when the seller doesn't know the real worth and no one else who does (with the coin) is bidding against you.

#62 5 years ago
Quoted from Gatecrasher:

I know you're full of crap.
That's enough for me.
How many Fathoms have you sold recently there "Mr. Every Auction on eBay is a Shill"?
lol
I've sold a ton of machines on eBay and I guarantee none of them had shill bidders.
You only find Fathoms for as cheap as this guy did when the seller doesn't know the real worth and no one else who does (with the coin) is bidding against you.

Whatever you still bring no facts to the table. You know nothing about me or what I know so you saying im full of crap tells me enough about you........

I like how you change my words to fit your made up beleifs of me. I said ebay shill bids... not every auction on ebay has shill bids.....you sound guilty there......

Keep to the facts and get off your soapbox....oh wait you have given no facts thats right....

#63 5 years ago

Whatever there Troll...lol

Please quit trying to hijack the thread with your BS.

I doubt the OP cares if you dislike Fathom. Keep it to yourself next time.

#64 5 years ago

Looks like OP made the decision to sell on CL for $2,200 as is! GLWS

#65 5 years ago
Quoted from Gatecrasher:

Whatever there Troll...lol
Please quit trying to hijack the thread with your BS.
I doubt the OP cares if you dislike Fathom. Keep it to yourself next time.

Bingo!

Quoted from CCPL:

Looks like OP made the decision to sell on CL for $2,200 as is! GLWS

Do i since sarcasm?

Yup i put it up to gauge interest. I will be working on it this weekend to see whats going on with it, i posted the ad in anticipation. I will also be taking some more detailed pictures of it this weekend. I have already also been contacted many times today about it already and a couple of guys already to make the trip up. Im actually asking everyone to contacts me for trades rather then cash, cause at the end of the day id rather trade it off for something i would actually like to own.

#66 5 years ago
Quoted from Dr-Willy:

Bingo!

Do i since sarcasm?
Yup i put it up to gauge interest. I will be working on it this weekend to see whats going on with it, i posted the ad in anticipation. I will also be taking some more detailed pictures of it this weekend. I have already also been contacted many times today about it already and a couple of guys already to make the trip up. Im actually asking everyone to contacts me for trades rather then cash, cause at the end of the day id rather trade it off for something i would actually like to own.

No sarcasm! I meant only a sincere GLWS! Sorry I was not clear.

#67 5 years ago
Quoted from CCPL:

No sarcasm! I meant only a sincere GLWS! Sorry I was not clear.

Probably more my fault then yours. Rough day at work so im sure im reading things with a negitative attitude. Sorry about that, just ignore me lol.

#68 5 years ago
Quoted from Dr-Willy:

Yup i put it up to gauge interest. I will be working on it this weekend to see whats going on with it, i posted the ad in anticipation. I will also be taking some more detailed pictures of it this weekend. I have already also been contacted many times today about it already and a couple of guys already to make the trip up. Im actually asking everyone to contacts me for trades rather then cash, cause at the end of the day id rather trade it off for something i would actually like to own.

If you sell, let us know if you beat Neo's $200 assessed value!

#69 5 years ago

for that kind of a basement find, $200 is the normal. that's what I would have offed for one in that condition non working.

#70 5 years ago


Quoted from Gatecrasher:Whatever there Troll...lol
Please quit trying to hijack the thread with your BS.
I doubt the OP cares if you dislike Fathom. Keep it to yourself next time.

#71 5 years ago

I just realized I was thinking of the wrong game. For some reason I thought this was the Stern game Seawitch. Totally different animal. My bad. 2k is about right for this one.

Seriously, if I would have found this one, I would have thought it was $200 game. Did not know fathom was that hard to find.

#72 5 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

I just realized I was thinking of the wrong game. For some reason I thought this was the Stern game Seawitch. Totally different animal. My bad. 2k is about right for this one.
Seriously, if I would have found this one, I would have thought it was $200 game. Did not know fathom was that hard to find.

This made me chuckle.

#73 5 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

I just realized I was thinking of the wrong game. For some reason I thought this was the Stern game Seawitch. Totally different animal. My bad. 2k is about right for this one.
Seriously, if I would have found this one, I would have thought it was $200 game. Did not know fathom was that hard to find.

Ground control to Neo!

lol

Yeah I agree with you. A Seawitch in this condition isn't worth anywhere near what a similar Fathom is.

Fathom is one of those pinball machines that reminds me of films like "The Big Lebowski".

It wasn't a huge commercial success when released but garnered a hard-core cult following. That, coupled with the limited production of 3,500 units, makes Fathom one of the most-sought after Bally SS pins ever produced.

The cabinet on this machine looks pretty-nice compared to a lot of them out there. For someone looking for one of these to put a new CPR playfield in, that is very important.

If this machine was local to me, I would probably pay $2,200 for it because I have a clear coated NOS playfield I could install.

I'm currently installing a CPR playfield in one right now.

#74 5 years ago

That's a beautiful machine! Great catch.

#77 5 years ago
Quoted from Syco54645:

Don't worry, you can buy it!

The last thing we need in this house is more pinball machines.

#78 5 years ago

Just make sure to pay taxes on pins and games people flip. it is a business no matter how many claim its a "hobby". a hobby isn't something you profit from.
you do have to pay income tax.
it can catch up with you if you don't. i even claim my stupid tourney winnings, no matter how small.
its very risky posting on public forums with "scores" like this as many do, esp when the intention is to flip.

#79 5 years ago
Quoted from silver_spinner:

Just make sure to pay taxes on pins and games people flip. it is a business no matter how many claim its a "hobby". a hobby isn't something you profit from.
you do have to pay income tax.
it can catch up with you if you don't. i even claim my stupid tourney winnings, no matter how small.
its very risky posting on public forums with "scores" like this as many do, esp when the intention is to flip.

The Internal Revenue Service reminds taxpayers to follow appropriate guidelines when determining whether an activity is a business or a hobby, an activity not engaged in for profit.

In order to educate taxpayers regarding their filing obligations, this fact sheet, the eleventh in a series, explains the rules for determining if an activity qualifies as a business and what limitations apply if the activity is not a business. Incorrect deduction of hobby expenses account for a portion of the overstated adjustments, deductions, exemptions and credits that add up to $30 billion per year in unpaid taxes, according to IRS estimates.

In general, taxpayers may deduct ordinary and necessary expenses for conducting a trade or business. An ordinary expense is an expense that is common and accepted in the taxpayer’s trade or business. A necessary expense is one that is appropriate for the business. Generally, an activity qualifies as a business if it is carried on with the reasonable expectation of earning a profit.

In order to make this determination, taxpayers should consider the following factors:

Does the time and effort put into the activity indicate an intention to make a profit?
Does the taxpayer depend on income from the activity?
If there are losses, are they due to circumstances beyond the taxpayer’s control or did they occur in the start-up phase of the business?
Has the taxpayer changed methods of operation to improve profitability?
Does the taxpayer or his/her advisors have the knowledge needed to carry on the activity as a successful business?
Has the taxpayer made a profit in similar activities in the past?
Does the activity make a profit in some years?
Can the taxpayer expect to make a profit in the future from the appreciation of assets used in the activity?

The IRS presumes that an activity is carried on for profit if it makes a profit during at least three of the last five tax years, including the current year — at least two of the last seven years for activities that consist primarily of breeding, showing, training or racing horses.

If an activity is not for profit, losses from that activity may not be used to offset other income. An activity produces a loss when related expenses exceed income. The limit on not-for-profit losses applies to individuals, partnerships, estates, trusts, and S corporations. It does not apply to corporations other than S corporations.

Deductions for hobby activities are claimed as itemized deductions on Schedule A (Form 1040). These deductions must be taken in the following order and only to the extent stated in each of three categories:

Deductions that a taxpayer may take for personal as well as business activities, such as home mortgage interest and taxes, may be taken in full.
Deductions that don’t result in an adjustment to basis, such as advertising, insurance premiums and wages, may be taken next, to the extent gross income for the activity is more than the deductions from the first category.
Business deductions that reduce the basis of property, such as depreciation and amortization, are taken last, but only to the extent gross income for the activity is more than the deductions taken in the first two categories.

#80 5 years ago

I bought a nice restorable condition Fathom at Christmas time for 3K. Playfield, good condition, cabinet, good condition, backglass perfect. Why? Because I wanted one, I had the money and you don't find them for sale very often. I think that Fathom is the Medieval Madness of its generation. Just picked up a new CPR re-pro playfield from the last run at the Seattle show and have a new CPR plastic set. I plan on restoring it to better than new condition, and it is a keeper. I will probably have close to $5500 or so into it by the time I am done but who cares this is my HOBBY!

#82 5 years ago

There goes my racetrack/pinball hall idea.

Quoted from vid1900:

The IRS presumes that an activity is carried on for profit if it makes a profit during at least three of the last five tax years, including the current year — at least two of the last seven years for activities that consist primarily of breeding, showing, training or racing horses.

#83 5 years ago

This is all lies, this never happened, totally fake. I hate you.

#84 5 years ago

If you get it going, hold onto it for a month or so and play it, it's a great game to play. Pizza N Pinball had one on site recently and it got a lot of love.

#85 5 years ago
Quoted from Gov:

I will take an early Bally SS any day over many DMD games out there.

and yet your collection only has 2. Maybe I can help you with that next time you are looking for one

#87 5 years ago

I am totally speculating - but if Pinside were really Private and hosted in a country that does not have an agreement with the IRS there might be a more open and honest discussion about the tax and business side of pinball. As it is now if you post here about tax related matters, including pinball purchases and sales, do not be surprised if the IRS or more likely a State Tax Agency includes your posts in any audit. Once again, total speculation on my part.

#88 5 years ago
Quoted from dri:

sfbay.craigslist.org link

class is just spewing right now...

#89 5 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

I am totally speculating - but if Pinside were really Private and hosted in a country that does not have an agreement with the IRS there might be a more open and honest discussion about the tax and business side of pinball. As it is now if you post here about tax related matters, including pinball purchases and sales, do not be surprised if the IRS or more likely a State Tax Agency includes your posts in any audit. Once again, total speculation on my part.

Your speculation is ridiculous. Do you think the IRS is going to PM you and ask your real name, or are they going to do deep echelon searches to find your IP and trace it back to your social security number?

You've got two kinds of people: tax parasites and tax providers. The former wish to pretend that the IRS vacuum cleaner never misses a dust bunny. The latter tends to know the difference between a business and private cash sales.

#90 5 years ago

What a nice find!!!! I am SOOOO jealous. As to pricing it for resale-it's your machine sell it for whatever you think you can get for it other posters be damned!

#91 5 years ago

Free market baby! I'd sell that for a great return too....because I have no desire to do the entire playfield restoration. Might as well let the market decide who gets the machine and then let them run with it and do what they want and sell what they want when they're done. You sell for 2k, the fix it up and sell for 5k...it all works out (or maybe not), that's how it is SUPPOSED to work people.

#92 5 years ago

If y

Quoted from chucktee:What a nice find!!!! I am SOOOO jealous. As to pricing it for resale-it's your machine sell it for whatever you think you can get for it other posters be damned!

If he sells it cheap, someone else will just buy it and flip it.

#93 5 years ago
Quoted from Gatecrasher:

Unlike Neo (and you) I was speaking from experience having just recently purchased two Fathoms and selling one.
If you find a Fathom in any condition for less than $2000 you are ahead of the market.
If I could buy 10 like the OP has for $1500 each I would buy them all right now.
No "shill bids" involved.

That's absolutely right.

#94 5 years ago

tell that to the guy selling multicades in detroit and the irs showed up at his doorstep (yes, right at his house). also, a seller who posts fs stuff on CL often got called out by the irs and city zoning and actually told him he wasn't allowed to post ads or sell from his house any game anymore bcuz he isn't zoned commercial etc etc..
things do happen. just research it.
people name drop real names and info on here all the time, its not hard to find out who anyone is.
a PUBLIC forum is just that. you have no idea how many people just lurk on here and never ever post.

"""Your speculation is ridiculous. Do you think the IRS is going to PM you and ask your real name, or are they going to do deep echelon searches to find your IP and trace it back to your social security number?

You've got two kinds of people: tax parasites and tax providers. The former wish to pretend that the IRS vacuum cleaner never misses a dust bunny. The latter tends to know the difference between a business and private cash sales"""

#95 5 years ago

ATTENTION THIS IS THE I.R.S. ALL OF YOUR IP'S HAVE BEEN RECORDED AND YOU ARE ALL NOW UNDER PRE - AUDIT INVESTIGATION. AND BELIEVE ME WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM IN OUR VACUUM BAG FOR MORE DUST BUNNIES.

#96 5 years ago

Links please. It's hard to start a research project based you your comments.

Quoted from silver_spinner:

tell that to the guy selling multicades in detroit and the irs showed up at his doorstep (yes, right at his house). also, a seller who posts fs stuff on CL often got called out by the irs and city zoning and actually told him he wasn't allowed to post ads or sell from his house any game anymore bcuz he isn't zoned commercial etc etc..
things do happen. just research it.

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