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QUICKSILVER scratch build: A Detailed Guide

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#51 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

So about that silver.....
I’m learning the hard way that spraying metallic paints with flakes isn’t easy without a dedicated spray gun. It has been difficult with the rattle cans when trying to spray a larger area. After doing most of the back box, where’s what I learned
* Grey primer base makes it hard to see spray coverage while spraying. The last primer layer should have been white.
* If I sprayed at 6 inches, I got orange peel rough surface & it laid down lousy. If I sprayed at 3 inches, the flakes tended to pool and not spread out & dark streaks appeared in the paint. But the surface did dry smooth.
* The flakes in the paint created awful overspray. The flakes go everywhere & my ventilation in my garage isn’t the best. I should have sprayed the black last! I taped those areas off, but I’m not sure if it worked yet. What drove me nuts is that the flake overspray got on sides that I already finished, and created rough areas to the touch.
So this is how I’m proceeding...
1) Spray horizontal surfaces only
2) Multiple layers at 3 inches. Repeat until no streaks visible.
3) Mask any surface that isn’t being sprayed to control unwanted overspray.
Photos hard to tell, but the silver DOES look nice. Shiny, smooth & reflective. Look at the paint can in the reflection. Just going to go slow & make it look as best I can. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

impressive perseverance, i couldn't deal with all the flakes! I bailed out and I am trying two coats of sating grey then metallic on top

#52 3 years ago
Quoted from hisokajp:

impressive perseverance, i couldn't deal with all the flakes! I bailed out and I am trying two coats of sating grey then metallic on top

Careful with the metallic paint. I imagine it’s very similar.

#53 3 years ago

I had a set of pinball legs that needed to be painted. They were not Bally legs, so I wasn't going for the Bally gray. I used a silver metal flake from Rustoleum. I had metal flake overspray everywhere in my make shift paint booth. It was so bad, I had to sweep the floor to clean up the flake pieces.

The legs were hanging from the top of the booth via long bolts and wire. The metal flake just seemed to drop to the ground if it didn't hit the leg. Also, the paint seemed thin to me compared to other non-metallic paints.

#54 3 years ago

This technique seems to be working well. The key is masking areas off. You can see the excessive overspray on the paper. That would be awful To get on smooth areas You already finished. Moving right along tho..

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#55 3 years ago

Backbox basecoat is done. I’m going to try spraying the montana varnish on the bottom before removing the paper. See how that goes. Cabinet progressing. Started painting some of the interior wood pieces.

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#56 3 years ago

Forgot to post these. Painting the large surface area of the cabinet proved to be difficult once again. Really hard to prevent this flake streaking effect when spraying with rattle cans. Wish I had a spray gun for this paint, but it is what it is now. I did 4 coats on this side & I’m running out of silver paint.

Once the stencils go on, it will be less visible I think. And perhaps I’m being obsessive here & no one will notice. The flake does look good though on close inspection.

I also sprayed for coats of the semi gloss varnish on the bottom of the head it test it. This stuff sprayed as a very wide fine mist. Secret is quick passes & thin coats. No sanding in between. Let the layers build up. Turned out nice. I’m definitely applying to the entire cabinet.

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#57 3 years ago

Temps dropping & fall approaching. Time to bang this paint job out. Stencil day part 1 This game a piece of cake. Simple single layer.

Stencil applied, masked off & sprayed, stencil quickly removed. 3 quick light coats. The black covers very well. Edges don’t look very raised either.

The only issue I have is that I left the tape on the backbox for awhile & it was hard to remove. It’s left some residue on the back edges of the head framing. Not sure how I’m going to remove it, because goo done will wipe away the unprotected paint layer. Tried using a clean rag & it just doesn’t want to come up.

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#58 3 years ago

One more side to go

3 coats again on the side & remove stencil. It was about 60 deg here today. Working out well.

I like how the silver pops now

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#59 3 years ago

Looks nice!

#60 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

I also sprayed for coats of the semi gloss varnish on the bottom of the head it test it. This stuff sprayed as a very wide fine mist. Secret is quick passes & thin coats. No sanding in between. Let the layers build up. Turned out nice. I’m definitely applying to the entire cabinet.

i am gonna have to give it a try with mine... i have been lazy! how many coats did you end up doing? How much time in between?

#61 3 years ago

Well, I just found this thread, I will follow along, looks good so far!

#62 3 years ago
Quoted from hisokajp:

i am gonna have to give it a try with mine... i have been lazy! how many coats did you end up doing? How much time in between?

4 light coats on the bottom of the head. 2 minutes apart. Stuff dries pretty fast.

I’m just debating going through the whole “one horizontal side at a time” for the varnish, or just saying the hell with it & spray everything vertically.

#63 3 years ago

And the stencils are done!

I had to pull it into the sun to give the silver justice. The flakes really sparkle with a light source. It was worth it & certainly beats spraying it flat grey. I also like how the inside turned out.

The streaking in the silver pain is easier to see in the sun, but I’m curious if anyone notices in person.

Anyway I’ll let this cure until next weekend & they hit it with the varnish. The black should pop better after that & at least the paint will be protected from scratches.

One things for sure.... it’s not a Meteor anymore!

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#64 3 years ago

Beautiful work.

Yves

#65 3 years ago

Instead of taking a risk & spraying the varnish vertically, I'm just going to do the same process I did for the paints. Horizontal & masking to prevent runs & overspray. Temps are back up over 60 degrees this weekend, so its time to finish this paint job up. Very curious to see how this varnish turns out.

Wed - Head Top / Cab Back
Thurs - Head RT side / Cab Front
Fri - Head LT side / Cab RT side
Sat - Head Front / Cab LT side

#66 3 years ago

i still have to try mine but we wont have many more warmish day so i think ill have to try and spray vertical...

#67 3 years ago

Looking great there HP! When I was restoring my QS, my cab guy went to great lengths explaining the difficulties with metallic silver. Shows up every slight imperfection that wouldn’t be noticeable otherwise. Mine has a number of issues, but out of the sun and in a line up it looks mint. Yours is coming up a treat!

#68 3 years ago

Sprayed the Montana semi gloss varnish this weekend. It’s really hard to photograph properly, but I’m really pleased with the results. Here are some before & after pics where you can see the shine & protection. I recommend this stuff. I’ll be using it for all future builds.

Two light coats, then two heavy coats. Spray horizontal so you can lay it on thick without concern of runs. I would have liked to apply more coats but I was running out of cans. It really comes out as a mist, and I’m convinced a third of the can turned into an aerosol & floated away. Also spaying with a light source reflection visible on the surface made it easy to see where the clear was being applied.

I just need to finish spraying the neck & then put it all together. Instead of stapling like they did originally, I'm just going to screw the neck in place & countersink the heads.

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#69 3 years ago

very nice shine! I agree on the aerosol disappearing into thin air had to spray close and slow to get good coverage. i did mine all horizontal and had no run, since it is so light it really stays.

#70 3 years ago

We have an official QS cabinet! Just wanted to get some legs on it to see what it looks like.

Added the cab protectors & the heavy duty corner plates. Screwed the neck in & countersunk the screws. Time to start piecing this thing together

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#71 3 years ago

And the Third Coast harnesses arrived today. Very impressed!

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#72 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

We have an official QS cabinet! Just wanted to get some legs on it to see what it looks like.
Added the cab protectors & the heavy duty corner plates. Screwed the neck in & countersunk the screws. Time to start piecing this thing together [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Try not to jump on it Bills Mafia style and break the cabinet in two.

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#73 3 years ago

Just some tinkering this weekend. Cleaning & polishing parts. Running the cabinet ground wire, etc. The new upholstery stapler is phenomenal. Going to come in very handy for securing light board & playfield ground wire later on.

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#74 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

The new upholstery stapler is phenomenal.

one of my favorite pinball tool!

#75 3 years ago

The coin door restoration begins.

I was just going to remove the assemblies & set them aside since they weren’t too dirty, then just repair the door itself. But you know how that goes...

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#76 3 years ago

Now it’s in a million pieces, being tumbled & polished. Acetone took the old tape right off the bezel, and a little hammering & bending got the door back in shape. After I get the paint stripped, it will be time to weld that 3/8 inch hole closed.

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#77 3 years ago

Testing out the paint stripper before I do the door. Sprayed & then let it soak for 15 minutes. Used a plastic scraper & some steel wool to get the paint off. It required 2 sprayings to get it off, and then it was back into the Rustoleum soak to remove the stubborn rust

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#78 3 years ago

Well that was a nasty messy job. Lots of scraping. Lots of scrubbing with steel wool. Over & over. The door was especially difficult. But it eventually all the hammer tone paint came off.

I wonder if letting the parts soak in the paint remover would work better? I’m not sure I would use the spray again. Took multiple coats & the can nozzle clogged often.

In any case, it’s ready for welding

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#79 3 years ago

My boy welded up the hole & grinder it down this weekend. Turned out nice. Also took a dip in the evaporust bath afterwards.

I applied JB Weld yesterday & it takes 24 hours to fully cure. Hopefully it will and down nice & flat. I forgot to take a photo tho.

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#80 3 years ago

More door parts tumbled & polished. Ready for assembly.

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#81 3 years ago

Glass guide rails cleaned & restapled back into place.

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#82 3 years ago

So I purchased the new reproduction version of the Classic Stern side rails from Pinball Life. They are cut well & after removing the protective tape & glue, they polished up nicely.

My concern is the bend at the leading edge. The PL version has a much more angled bend than the originals. See photos. I’m concerned that it will be difficult to side the glass in without scratching the glass. I don’t know why they bent this so much at the production factory.

In any case, I may just have to take a pliers after they are installed & bend the edge up a bit so it doesn’t contact the glass. We shall see. Curious if anyone had to adjust theirs.

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#83 3 years ago

Once polished they sure look nice & shiny though!

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#84 3 years ago

Mugs approves of the new garage space heater. Going to come in handy when the temps really start to drop.

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#85 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

Mugs approves of the new garage space heater. Going to come in handy when the temps really start to drop.
[quoted image]

I had one of those about 20 years ago. It put out so much heat I once melted a pair of synthetic gloves while warming my hands from several feet away!

Your cabinet is looking really nice

#86 3 years ago

JB weld cured 24 hours, sanded & primed. Probably another coat tomorrow & it should be ready for silver hammer tone.

Also painting the legs at the same time. Get it all done before the snow arrives.
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#87 3 years ago

Thought I would share these.

I want to keep the pops on this build as they were originally designed. So I had to source the unique plastic bumpers for these Classic Sterns. They say the pop action is a lot faster with plastic vs metal bumpers. Who knows, but I’m intrigued to see how they function when finished.

I found this design & had them 3D printed. They are nylon & not as shiny or smooth as the grey plastic originals, but I was able to order in any color. I think the red will look pretty sharp with the white bases & yellow caps. They weren’t cheap tho.

Also purchased new coin plate chutes, but in hindsight, I could have just painted the old ones I guess.

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#88 3 years ago

Got the door & legs sprayed with the Rustoleum Hammered paint. I really like the way it turned out. It took multiple coats & passes to get it just right. After doing testing, I found the effect looked better if sprayed on a horizontal surface.

The problem was that the spray cans often splattered drops of paint, landing on the surface, which ruins the hammered effect. I finally learned to do a pass, then quickly dap the nozzle to remove any buildup of paint which might drip.

After getting it just right, and letting it cure for 24 hrs, I thought I could start putting the door together. But after pressing my nail into the paint, it’s still too soft. I’m going to let it cure awhile before moving forward.

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#89 3 years ago

Did you get those pop rings printed from Swinks via Shapeways? I’ve been curious about the quality on those.

#90 3 years ago
Quoted from play_pinball:

Did you get those pop rings printed from Swinks via Shapeways? I’ve been curious about the quality on those.

Yep ordered on Shapeways. They look durable & strong. The material looks somewhat porous to me, so I’m curious if they will get dirty often or be difficult to keep clean. We’ll see it guess.

#91 3 years ago

Coin door paint job looks nice. Good work.

#92 3 years ago

This was pulled out out the Meteor when I bought it. Check out the soldering job on this replacement rectifier board. Yikes!

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#93 3 years ago

If there’s a future need for hammer paint finish, maybe try the standard rattle can. You might’ve been partly fighting with the trigger style valve in terms of spitting blobs. I’ve never had that issue with the regular cans.

#94 3 years ago

Now I’m no soldering expert. And this was the first time I attempted board work. Some of these joints look better than others but they’re all tested for continuity & have good connections.

I like the heat sink on this nvram weebly board. No need for aluminum plates or paste.

Transformer panel all reassembled. It’s onto rewiring the tilt panel with the new third coast lower cabinet harness tomorrow.

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#95 3 years ago
Quoted from pinheadpierre:

If there’s a future need for hammer paint finish, maybe try the standard rattle can. You might’ve been partly fighting with the trigger style valve in terms of spitting blobs. I’ve never had that issue with the regular cans.

Yes the nozzle design was awful & led to all the problems. Lesson learned tho.

Ended up looking great for a classic game & beats dropping cash on powdercoating.

#96 3 years ago

Installed the lower cabinet harness today. The harness fit into the cabinet perfectly.

I need new flipper switches, so I still need to install those. I chose not to install the original outlet onto the tilt panel, because I wasn’t thrilled about the design. I can always add one later as it plugs in. Taped off for now.

Onto coin door assembly once the paint is fully cured.

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#97 3 years ago

Love the photo bomb!

#98 3 years ago

Figured I might as well let the door cure until the weekend, so I got started on the light board panel. Bought a sheet of 3/4 inch MDF from Home Depot & got to work.

So I used the light board template file that has floated around these QS threads. It’s a great file, proper size, etc. But for the life of me, I could not get the pages arranged properly. I couldn’t get the overlapping right when printing. So I had to modify it, draw lines & numbers, etc. Looks overly complicated but it works for me.

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#99 3 years ago

Used the circular saw to cut the sheet to size. Put the template on top & clamped it into place.

Predrilled each hole with a 1/8 drill bit, then removed the template. The predrilled hole makes it much easier to drill through that lousy MDF. Used a 1/2 inch Forstner bit & drilled halfway from the front. Then flipped it over & drilled the rest of the way from the back. This kept both sides clean & no blowouts/chipping in the MDF.

I still have to cut out the display areas & a couple other spots with the plunge router. Ran out of time today. But it’s looking good. That forstner bit was a lifesaver.

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#100 3 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

Figured I might as well let the door cure until the weekend, so I got started on the light board panel. Bought a sheet of 3/4 inch MDF from Home Depot & got to work.
So I used the light board template file that has floated around these QS threads. It’s a great file, proper size, etc. But for the life of me, I could not get the pages arranged properly. I couldn’t get the overlapping right when printing. So I had to modify it, draw lines & numbers, etc. Looks overly complicated but it works for me.
[quoted image]

Nice work! I’m at the same step with my Cheetah lamp board and did the same lines/numbers approach earlier this evening. I used the same file for the overall layout and moved the holes and cuts around in Photoshop. It gave me a great head start.

Although you got the pages together, in case you need to print another or for someone else- Before printing in settings there is a checkbox in Adobe Reader that is called “crop marks”. This provides crosshairs at the page corners for lining up the sheets. You can set whatever overlap you want. I think I went with 0.25” and worked out ok. Resulted in twelve 8.5x11 sheets.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/building-a-cheetah/page/2#post-6002338

Sawing and drilling tomorrow. Good to see yours almost finished.

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