(Topic ID: 197735)

Music licensing, why not put a CD player in a cabinet?


By Bumper

2 years ago



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    #1 2 years ago

    I understand that music licensing makes a pinball expensive and limits Stern to which songs they can include in their machine.

    For example Guardians of the Galaxy has all the soundtracks on a CD, why can't they just include a CD player into the cabinet and bundle the CD. Shock proof DVD-drives with lightening quick access are a commodity and dirt cheap nowadays and easy to control.

    This will cost them zero for music licenses and gives the buyer the opportunity to change out the CD or even burn their own CD if one of the songs is unwanted.

    #2 2 years ago

    Many issues Would need resolved:

    Couldn't use this solution in a commercial setting. The machine or location owner would then need to pay for the music licensing.

    If I was the licensee I wouldn't let you use my images knowing you were going to do this and not license my music

    Wouldn't be popular with machine buyers

    Is the music exactly the same as the cd? I'm sure it has to be remixed or balanced or shortened to fit in the game play and sound right.

    #3 2 years ago

    CDs are even more obsolete than pinball machines.

    And this wouldn't do anything to make the licensing issue go away. People at home already have figured out how to put unlicensed tunes in their pins.

    #4 2 years ago

    Even if they put in a CD player, licensing will still be expected to be paid for "public" performance, whether it be by Stern or the operator. And I can guarantee you, a private owner would be classified as an "operator" for the sake of the contracting.

    #5 2 years ago

    I mount 45 players to all my machines but the only album I always keep on me is pinball wizard!

    #6 2 years ago

    This sounds like an excuse to get a jukebox. A Rowe CD-100 can often be picked up for a few hundred bucks and they sound great.

    #7 2 years ago
    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    Many issues Would need resolved:
    Couldn't use this solution in a commercial setting. The machine or location owner would then need to pay for the music licensing.

    This would fall already under their existing ASCAP/SESAC/BMI license (US) and similar licenses in other countries.

    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    If I was the licensee I wouldn't let you use my images knowing you were going to do this and not license my music

    Ah, but the movie license is completely separate from the music license, you won't use images of the artists.

    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    Wouldn't be popular with machine buyers
    Is the music exactly the same as the cd? I'm sure it has to be remixed or balanced or shortened to fit in the game play and sound right.

    Many of todays pins just play a plain soundtrack which switches depending on the mode. I don't expect Stern to remix or manipulate music in the future, that would only complicate the license.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    CDs are even more obsolete than pinball machines.

    You are correct, but is that a reason not to do it?

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    People at home already have figured out how to put unlicensed tunes in their pins.

    Correct again, but that was not what I was trying to solve. Pins are just too expensive and it seems that the best music is missing because the license is too expensive. Which already happened with some other pins like Ghostbusters, Shrek and The Big Lebowski.

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