I really have zero interest in this theme, but that LE cabinet is beautiful.
Quoted from Hazoff:
well ur opinion is horseshit, Stern doesn't care about CGC and JJP or any of the other boutique companies, maybe once one of them becomes an actual threat but for now and the forseeable future Stern is king and with good reason.
I doubt that is true. These are high priced items. Any competition at all takes away from their sales. They went years with no competition, and frankly it showed during most of that time. I would be concerned if they WEREN'T concerned. Competition is always good for the consumer - because it forces companies to try or close up shop. We can applaud them for sticking it out in the lean times, but to completely write off everyone else as inconsequential is naive. I also cannot stress enough how the pinball market has changed in the last 15 years.
Quoted from Sinestro:
Stern is selling a HELL of a lot more pins this decade than last.
From their perspective, the competition has meant didly-squat.
Pinball is in a resurgence, but it will be temporary. The competition is fairly new. I guarantee you it is on their minds. I doubt there's 'we need to take them out' mentality like with some areas of capitalism, but it should make them step up their game on all fronts.
I do think it is way too early to say anything about this game though.
Quoted from Aurich:
I they 100% have that mentality. Which is fine, but let's not kid ourselves here. They don't try and steal licenses out from other companies because it's fun, they're happy to bury everyone who's a threat. A sale to anyone else is a potential lost sale fort them. Pinball isn't a "we're all in this together" kind of industry.
Sadly I was hoping it was The more the merrier I say. But yea :/
Quoted from Squeakman:
Agree the climate is much different these days. To compare a game that came out 25+ years ago to a new Stern is not a good comparison. I'd have a hard time believing Stern can make a better game than Addams.
I've never understood the appeal of TAF. Never liked the theme, or the gameplay. It's weird that of all the games, that is the best selling of all time. Had to just be timing. I mean, I understand that enough like it to justify it, so it's just a personal opinion that I am one of those that don't, but not really sure why it did as well as it did and nothing else did as well. There are better games that came out after IMO.
Quoted from Sinestro:
Your logic is flawed. You're claiming that anytime someone buys a JJP game, it's a lost Stern sale? Like they would just have to have bought ANY game? No matter the theme? Wrong.
No, it is still yours. It's not a zero sum game. While some JJP or CGC or whoever games may not cut into it, you still have the 'either or' scenario. The majority of people aren't buying everything that comes out, they choose. So yes, if they have more to choose from it definitely can cut into Sterns sales.
So what I'm hearing is we can expect the next couple of Stern releases to be Attack From Venus and Darkage Dungeons...oh wait...those aren't licensed properties, so it won't be those...althought Darkage Dungeons has a nice ring to it.
Quoted from Sinestro:
I'm not impressed by it. Slap Lawlor's name on it, an incoherent layout with Mick-on-a-stick, and apparently a small, but vocal minority of Pinsiders go ape shit.
You can say what you want, but we spent about 4 hours on it and absolutely loved it. I agree when we saw the pictures of the theme we weren't drawn to it, but stepping up to it and actually playing it and seeing what it was proved our initial thoughts wrong.
Quoted from Bublehead:
Kind of wish we were talking about Munsters, but since this has gotten this far off topic, including myself, not sure what else we can conjecture or speculate about... Just hoping they had great access to source material, and it is a great shooter. Theme is a no brainer on Munsters, what with the success of other campy horror pins.
But to go with the flow of discussion on theme or game or what makes one better than the other, why not look at it from a real life angle? People keep trying to seperate theme from game so why not look at a reskin and talk about it? Like Shrek on top of FG? Or pick any title that is a retheme (Bewitched?) and make your arguments for and against. Just a thought.
What is there to talk about? I've watched this thread for weeks...and well..it's just a bunch of nothing and people talking about dumping money into something they don't even know what it looks like 100% yet. Never understood the 'stay on topic' people when there is essentially nothing 'on topic' to talk about. That's how a thread dies.
Did I miss in there where it mentions premium at all? Still showing nothing that really means anything yet. Just a cabinet.
Quoted from Tranquilize:
Wasn’t guardians worse than bm66? It pretty much had almost no code the first time I played it. It was pretty much unplayable.
I don't know, but man I played it last week and it is probably the worst game I've played in years. Just...not...fun. (I'm sure someone out there likes it though).
The general...lack of completion is why I'm not getting excited over this yet. I'm not huge on the theme, but that's never stopped me. If the game is fun, the game is fun, but it seems a trend to have incomplete code that may or may not get fixed - maybe that wasn't a huge deal on routes, but for home use that is...not as fun. I reserve judgement until I've stood in front of one and done some pelvic thrusts though.
Quoted from cpr9999:
Common guys, you can let us know your really excited as you monitor this thread!
Someone not interested would not spend time here - you sure you don’t already have your down payment in?
It's not 'not interested' it's not 'hyped'. Of course I'm excited to see what they do, but as yet..not a lot to get excited aboot unless you're a big Munsters fan.
Quoted from pinmister:
So looks like Munsters is going to officially be a '2019' title, first week of January would be my guess for announcement. Really curious to see what they do with underside playfield on Premium/LE.
Have to appreciate Stern's new game launches....No info and tight lips-games built and shipped, leaked sub-par photos, and then boom-games on location and in collectors homes. No bullshit-take it or leave it-I love it!
Is this part of their forced 'buy this or you don't get our next game' thing? Because this seems like a really bad way to promote a new product. There is no way I'd put a pre-order in for a machine that has so little information.
Just no. Please don't feed the beast. What you end up is a bunch of half working things that never actually get completed and bugs that never get fixed. You are making the assumption that they'll ever touch it after it is released. Maybe it's because I'm a lifelong gamer and IT person but I'm personally getting tired of being an unpaid beta tester for companies more concerned about release dates than a quality product.
How exactly ARE they marketing? How are they getting non-pin enthusiast Beatles fans to know about this? I wouldn't know about it if I wasn't on this site. And, only the really really big enthusiasts and route people have any clue about distros.
Quoted from MikeS:
I don't really know the Munsters show but isn't Herman a good guy? Are there any villains or antagonists in the show that would serve as good bash toys or is it more of a sitcom? It doesn't really make sense to bash someone that's a good guy but I guess they did it with Optimus Prime in Transformers so I wouldn't rule it out.
Wasn't he always hitting his head because he was so tall? I don't remember, but you are correct. The Munsters were good people (it was a sitcom). The 'bad' people were really just society that didn't like their 'wierdness'. I don't remember if there was any actual 'nemesis'.
Quoted from Thunderbird:
If Stern keeps raising prices, location pinball tables, here we all come!
Cutting out all the middle men would be good, but distros wouldn’t like that. They say after sales service is important, but I end up fixing most any and all issues myself and I think most people do too.
Maybe Stern needs to consider a direct ordering system along with direct download system and lower or keep prices down. With modern online shopping, do we really need to pay for all the old infrastructure???
With the new stern board system, if the 'fix' is to send the board in, you don't need service people.
Personally, I think the B&W would look pretty cool with colored lights (I have my own personal experience with this and know that it works) but it really depends on the contrast. It works with games like Centaur because it is mostly black. If the game is more White/Grey, I would think the ball would be hard to follow. I've never seen the B&W TZ in person, but the pics I've seen lead me to believe it would be hard to track the ball during play.
Yea I would definitely have to see/play it in person before I could commit to the B&W, but it still looks cool.
Quoted from Rum-Z:
Think of the money Stern will save on colored inks. That's one cost cutting measure that I never even thought of. Kudos to Stern, B&W for every pin from here on out.
Nah, next step is "Theme your Own Pin". "Oh you think you can come up with a better theme than us? Here you go" Just bare wood and a box of crayons. Unleash your imagination!
Quoted from Aurich:
Well I'm hearing the playfield on Prem is indeed B&W so I look forward to the teeth gnashing, nothing like a good Pinside gripe session to fill the cold grey days of early January. I know I'm having trouble getting back into my work groove, how about you?
It really seems like they would have made that an LE. Seems odd to make such a drastic change on the Prem. Maybe it looks and plays amazing though.
And yes....I should be working and not posting :p
Quoted from Aurich:
IMO the answer is simple: it's a risk. They don't want people passing on the LE because the costs of the extra stuff is less than the markup, it's easy money. The Premium isn't as big a risk because if there's a backlash they just roll out Prem V2 Now In Color™ and people deal with it. They can't change the LE, it will set a bad precedent, but we've already seen the 'new' Premium thing before. Don't forget Metallica:
No Monsters Premium at launch, just Roadcase, which people hated on. So boom, new Prem with Donny artwork appears.
Anyone else receive their LE yet? The Grandpa ball smasher toy is a bit ethically questionable (and painful to watch), but otherwise it's fun.
Quoted from valgalder:
Not having a ball save on a home machine is no big deal. Location play is much different when half the time the games aren't setup perfectly leading to cheap and infuriating drains... especially when plunking down a buck a play.
It's got ball save, they have it set to off.
Quoted from HighVoltage:
Yet all credible sources with a synopsis of this character mysteriously make no mention of this!
So just another desperate groping of that community to coopt someone as one of their own.
It is a bit of a stretch to say he was gay. His character was supposed to be the opposite of the 'monster' he was portrayed as. He was a down to earth, emotional touchy feely 'nice' guy. Back then it was used for comedy.
Quoted from Rarehero:
Sonic Pinball would actually kinda make sense...since he's often rolled into a ball, moving super fast, and traveling on loops & corkscrews. It would translate to pinball well. They could even ship it with blue balls!
They already did it back on the Genesis. Sonic Spinball. Agreed though, it would be a good theme for a real pin.
Quoted from Who-Dey:
The artwork is gorgeous on this game and I wouldn’t change a thing. All Stern games have awesome artwork. I am glad that they haveChris Franchi, Dirty Donnie and Zombie Yeti making these games beautiful for us. Sterns art packages are the best in the business by far.
A few tables maybe, but most of the photoshop job packages leave quite a bit to be desired. Much of that is because of the licenses. Only so much you can do when you are using existing assets around a known property. IMO GotG and GoT are a couple of the worst looking pins of the new age. Many of the AC/DC themes are pretty meh too.
It doesn't matter how many comparisons you make, ultimately pins have been being made for 40 years. You have to keep in mind that fan works for general game play. Very few new things you can do that someone isn't going to compare it to because that is how the human mind works, and limited space and physics that work with bottom playfield flippers. Some of the more inventive things cost money, but really don't relate to actual layout.
Quoted from Bublehead:
I get people are unreasonably upset about commiting to buy a material object valued at an overly large amount based on the collectability of said object when it was reportedly limited to 500 of these objects but suddenly the unintegral manufacturer decided to increase that value by 100 more so there are now only 600 people with the exclusive right to own one of these seemingly unlimited, yet limited editions of said object instead of the published and promised 500 which is a change of 20% on your odds of owning one over the 7 billion other non-pinball playing people on the planet who could not care less.
But I am not sure it matters to me, I have to get past the “we are already getting a MBrLE, so no Munster LE soup for you” response the wife is feeding me right now... good thing she’s coming to TPF so she can flip one. Too bad all 600 will be sold out by then. So she has to settle for the Premium eh? The plot thickens...
Or just wait??? There'll be LE's coming up for sale in a year at a discount when Stern decides to make another 400 of them.
Am I the only one that thinks the LE backglass image is the best one? I keep seeing everyone bag on it. I think the casket is the best cab art. I love the B&W but overall the art on all of the playfields is okay at best.
Also, how long until real flame shooting Spot mods?
so does it know 'where' you hit it, or is it just bash anywhere on it a number of times?
Quoted from cletus:
I think the title of this thread needs to change again. “Munsters Hysteria” is starting to seem more fitting. This train just keeps on arollin’.
Crazy that anyone would have strong opinions/concerns on a 5k-8k product. Ever been to a TV forum? Extremely more critical than here.
When did pinball stop being about high scores and about reaching 'the end' and how long it takes to get there?
Quoted from pinmister:
I would have to agree, if you can afford a NIB pinball machine nowadays-you probably are doing ok financially. Should people be worried about potentially losing money if they sell in the future-no. These are just big boy toys and if you have enough disposable income to buy one then I would consider yourself fortunate. Many LE machines have depreciated over original value recently, so chances are Munsters may depreciate as well. People should not be concerned about losing or making money off newer pins, I lost my ass on X-MEN LE-but I still flippin love it. Lost out on Ghostbusters LE-but I still love it, Lost out on Star Wars LE-but I still love it, the list goes on and on. Buy a game for the pinball passion-and sometimes you lose and sometimes you win when it comes time to sell. Funny-all of my LE machines have lost money from date of purchase-but have all become keepers-so I guess if I never sell-I never lose?
You're talking about a difference between the rich and the uber rich. There's a difference..even if the government pretends there's not.
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