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The Munsters Hype (Because every evening its Halloween)

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#43 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

This is going to be bad ass flying across the LCD screen.

Yep, Munsters had the coolest car.

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#57 3 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

AS was good, but not finished yet. Kiss, TF, TAV all took years to get updates and Kiss is still looming. When Lonnie works with others Ala Mustang, code is fair to good.
I've been burnt too many times by the same crap code from him. I'd have no problem discussing it in person with him either.
I see a trend with him and it needs corrected.

Borg has the same problem with layouts for the last 10 years. In a serious rut. Hopefully Elwin's freshness embarrassed him into doing something actually new.

1 week later
#122 3 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

1. What does that have to do with Lonnie?
2. The code that "made it great/saved it" I believe came out 1 year after release...which seems standard for him.

Lyman's code ultimately made TWD awesome, but he as a track record of super-polishing code over time, while Lonnie has a reputation for mediocre "good enough" software that doesn't get much (any, sometimes) attention from him after release.

1 week later
#182 3 years ago
Quoted from Wakky:

12.30 am and leaving the office.. Was a truely spectacular day with a lot going on behind the scenes...
Stay tuned!

Where's your Stern outpost, the Arctic? That's awfully bright for 12:30am...

And, how bad is the ant problem there? Gary too cheap to get it sprayed every 60 days so you don't need traps everywhere?

4 weeks later
#210 3 years ago
Quoted from MattElder:

My thoughts exactly, but Stern is hit and miss. The passion and talent is there, and Gary of course knows good games sell well, but it just seems like luck of the draw as far as which designer and game gets more software time and BOM money. Munsters has been a theme I’ve wanted for a long time, so I’m hoping for the best!

It's not just software time, but design time for new playfield layouts, too. Borg has recycled and mirrored essentially the same layouts for about 10 years now. That's very little PF design work and a lot of "same-y" pins. He and the other designers need time to actually work on significantly new layouts instead of just reskinning or mirroring existing playfield layouts.

At least Trudeau was always trying new designs at every outing. He had more failures than success as a result, but he was always pushing things and more successfully achieved the "world under glass" ideal more often. If only he wasn't a pedophile...

#212 3 years ago
Quoted from Macca101010:

Would be nice if it had more than 2 flippers as well.
Seeing Spot the dragon coming out of the stairs would also be a nice touch.

Hah! Great minds think alike. I told Borg that staircase ramp had better have a trap door.

#225 3 years ago
Quoted from JoinTheCirqus:

Ha! My thoughts exactly. Leave It To Beaver is coming up soon.

After Mr. Ed.

#236 3 years ago
Quoted from Macca101010:

Franchi, Borg and Dwight doing the Munsters by the sounds of it.
Franchi said on TWIP that Borg & Dwight is working with him on his upcoming pin.

GoT rules with Borg action and Franchi art? Sounds pretty great to me. I just PRAY that Borg has really come up with a NEW playfield design instead of another reskin or mirror of his existing designs.

#249 3 years ago
Quoted from dnapac:

When expectations are this high..there will always be disappointment. Love the theme, but the designers are screwed...at least on pinside. Let the b1tch1inng begin.

Deadpool's looking like a lame duck.

3 weeks later
#261 3 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

Looks pretty cool to me.

We'll see if it can break out of the Gomez-designed machine low-resale value prison all his machines (except Batman'66, recently) have been in for the last 15 years.

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#283 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballcorpse:

Pretty sure if we go down the list of modern games over the past 15 years that have low resale value, we will touch upon many more than just Gomez games.

Pretty sure my graph would show Gomez has a disproportionate amount of low-resale value pins in the last 15 years compared to other designers. Some went almost straight into the toilet.

#285 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballcorpse:

Well, there's a lot of games to put on the graph. I think if all the games that have come down the "Sternpike" are shown with the designer, some people might not want to be reminded that their favorite designer made *that* game.

Every designer is allowed one or two fails in that wide of a timeframe. Gomez has more than one or two - the last 4 he did before Batman'66 were duds, objectively, using the resale marketplace values. The only thing that saved BM'66 is Lyman's software, the whole first year was Gomez clunk. And if you go back to 2000, he had one good design (LotR) and 5 duds (if you count Playboy, I'm not sure where the division of labor was on that). That's a bad record if you're looking at spending a ton of cash to get a new Deadpool.

You need to stop, you're making me want to graph this, and NO ONE WANTS MORE OF MY GRAPHS.

#293 3 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

Pretty sure the high resale of LOTR keeps his average respectable.

Nope. You can't spread the merely good resale value of LotR over 5 duds and keep the average resale respectable. And besides, people buy machines, not averages. Do you want to gamble when the odds of getting a good design with decent resale from a Stern Gomez machine are 1 in 5, or 20%?

#304 3 years ago
Quoted from Blacksun:

Don't forget GOTG too... Now that the the code is getting more polished it really is turning into a great game!

Unfortunately GotG got the stink of a bad game due to poor software and now kind of has X-MEN-itis. XMEN LE is a pretty great game now, but prices never recovered because people only remembered it sucking for so long before they fixed it.

#309 3 years ago
Quoted from GravitaR:

Only thing that makes LOTR great is Keefer's code and contributions.

Eh, I'd give Gomez credit on LotR, for sure. It's his best-shooting Stern game by a mile. Nothing else he's done at Stern comes close.

#312 3 years ago
Quoted from Jodester:

I may be alone, but Transformers is a great shooting game. It gets a bad rap, but it is really fun.

You're pretty close to alone with that assessment, I think. But that doesn't mean you can't like it.

#348 3 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

I am optimistic for Stern with their staff, that Maiden will be the first point in a new trend - of only releasing games that are fully baked. It is the right way to lead and resources are now in place. If I were a hipster, I'd drive my weinnermobile to Chicago and pursue a career at Stern or elsewhere in the pinball field. So Deadpool is complete, right Stern? and Munsters will be complete, right Stern?

Whoops. Deadpool is back to Stern's trend of incomplete games shipping. 0.81 at launch. SURPRISE!

#408 3 years ago

Good to see Stern finally bought the theming clue and has the polished brass coin door matching the polished brass armor on the LE. Who originally leaked the pics accidentally on Facebook? Franchi? Stern? Anyone know?

#415 3 years ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

Don't see how this is real, as the translite of the LE is exactly the same as the right side of the Premium. Also: coin door anything else than black ?? Come on, its Stern.

LE Coin Door is polished brass. That was surprising. And welcome.

But lack of a Pro picture makes this feel like a KaPow thing, and if so, bend over, here they come again. If it's more KaPow pricing, no way I'm recommending it for the route I help with.

#419 3 years ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

I know that the coindoor on the pictures is brass. That is what I was referring to: cannot see Stern doing that, even if that would keep it in line with the rest of the metal and the T-Molding.

Like I said, surprising, and welcome. I think they'll do it. It's about time, especially for what they'll likely charge for the LE.

Also, there likely IS a Pro. If you look at the Premium, there's the right edge of a shooter rod on the left side of the Premium pic. Stern displays pins from left to right, Pro to LE in their promo shots. So likely the Pro was in the set before it was chopped up. It just wasn't leaked.

#427 3 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

I also noticed that premium had purple side rails, purple lock down bar, and purple shooter knob but legs and hinges were still black. Don't they usually include legs and hinges as part of their colored powdercoat packages?

Gotta make cuts somewhere to keep the price increase to only $150-$200 more than the last Premium 2 months ago.

#431 3 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Easy to say when you get sent every leak in pinball.

This one was on facebook briefly, so anyone could have seen it while it was up.

#434 3 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Thinking Munsters LE has got a bit of TAF Gold vibe about it.
Stern are going to have a huge hit with this game as if you own a TAF , how can you not put a Munsters next to it?!

Pricing is the only real question mark. That LE looks very cool, and it's nice to see the coin door has joined the armor theming - finally.

#441 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

When is Munsters planned release date?

October announce at the very least. If Stern messes up a Halloween tie in for THE MUNSTERS, then all is truly lost.

#444 3 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

Maybe they still have a lot of left over gold armor from WWE LE and Guardians LE.

It looks more like polished brass and not that grey poupon mustard-colored WWE LE crap. Hopefully it holds up better than Elvis LE did.

#459 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

What was the reason they couldn’t be posted on pinside? Just curious.

Even though it was briefly on facebook (allegedly) and that's public, I guess it was a mistake and Stern doesn't want them posted because of all the deadpool sales they'll lose. <--my guess

#462 3 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Just curious who posted on FB?

Me too. I only was told that's where these came from. Stern PR? Stern mistake? Franchi? Borg? No idea...

EDIT: Kaneda leaked it. No idea why anyone trusted him with the pics unless Stern wanted a leak to slow down CGC MBr.

#468 3 years ago
Quoted from FalconPunch:

Ok you win man. PM me for playfield pics of Munsters. And concept pictures of Toy story, Beatles and Elvira 3.

Uh, Wonka pics? That's before Toy Story...you're slipping.

#472 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

No Pro?
I bet Premium sides will be identical and one of the 2 sides will be the Pro (if there is one).

You can see a shooter rod on the left side of the Premium pic, so there is a Pro, it just wasn't leaked for some reason. Kaneda can't even leak right.

#479 3 years ago
Quoted from onemoresean:

Please send me pics when you get them, thanks!

If you're a current pinside supporter, you might have an easier time...

#481 3 years ago

Haha! This thread is turning into one of the more successful Pinside membership drives...red hearts popping up all over!

#484 3 years ago
Quoted from Boof-Ed:

If we aren’t being pranked, I hope the red band on the LE disappears. I love the rest of it.

I'm actually cool with the red band. Makes it more coffin-like, which is clearly what they were going for on the LE. As long as it's art and not that crappy red adhesive vinyl they used for BM'66 SLE, I'm down with it.

#487 3 years ago
Quoted from onemoresean:

Got the pics too, thanks!

Thank Kaneda, if you dare. He apparently leaked them. Maybe he was given them on purpose to leak to slow down CGC. We'll never know.

But both the leaked versions do look good. Now I'm ready to see the PF!

#492 3 years ago
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:

Pro or perhaps .... they’re planning again SLE with this title huh?

Possible, but unlikely because the pro wouldn't be to the left of the Premium with the machines slanted away and there's definitely a chopped-off pin to the left of the Premium in that premium picture. Maybe Kaneda can get his leaking act together and try again with all of them!

But, the fact that the Pro was left out and only the Prem and LE that compete price-wise with the CGC Monster Bash remake were leaked really makes me think it was a sanctioned "leak" to steal momentum from CGC.

#494 3 years ago
Quoted from Kolchak357:

I had a look before the pics were removed. Thought the LE version looked fantastic! Must disclose that I have a little theme blindness on this one. Love the Munsters.

If you saw it when it blipped on at Pinside, it should still be in your browser cache to save locally.

#525 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Monster Bash Remake got a new competitor...

Pretty strong contender, but pricing will determine that.

Borg on Design and Dwight on software for Munsters - that's a strong, one-two punch that should finish off contenders. We'll see...

#526 3 years ago

Think if it more as a pre-emptive strike on Monster Bash, which will be revealed any time now, and Stern has zero control over the spacing of its reveal after Deadpool so this is the best diffuser they have available under the circumstances.

#528 3 years ago
Quoted from bicyclenut:

I hope the Munsters has a Woof Woof in it.

Of course! Lonnie was gracious enough to model for it.

#542 3 years ago
Quoted from pfinny:

How about some photos,everyone too chicken to post ?

"chicken" from the non-pinside supporting, anonymous location member? Ironic.

#546 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

The Munsters and The Adams Family both came out in the mid 60’s i believe. Yes ther was a adams family movie in 1991 but its still about The Adams Family that everyone watched back in the 60’s. If they made a Munsters movie right now would it make you like the pin thats coming out better? There are rumors about a new Munsters TV show coming back out actually.

The last one was TERRIBLE. I hope they do a LOT better if they're trying another Munsters TV show again...

#559 3 years ago
Quoted from pinsanity:

And remember to (quietly) thank Kaneda for the pic leak.
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It's weird that Kaneda went to the trouble to leak it, but then left the pro version out, that was clearly in the original that was chopped up.

And what's "the largest podcast listening base" a few thousand people at most? It's a niche of a niche of a niche. Hardly anything to get to puffed up about.

#563 3 years ago
Quoted from pinsanity:

Depends what the basis for comparison is I guess.

Williams always used to tout that 3k units per title was breakeven point.

$3k 1990 dollars is about $5700 in 2018 dollars, and Stern is charging $7500ish for mechanically inferior (to B/W build quality) Premiums, so if that was the Williams metric, Stern's break even is probably under 2000 units.

#565 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

Okay. Just curious though what the current sales per titles are.

Aren't we all. No one outside Stern is getting the real numbers so all we can do is estimate sales relative to other titles ("Better than Metallica" or, heaven forbid, "Worse than WWE LE").

#603 3 years ago
Quoted from bicyclenut:

It would be cool if somehow a staircase opens up for a ball lock. Like how Herman does in the opening credits.

I told Borg if there's no mid-ramp trap door, he's failed.

#610 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Noone wants to see that happen.

No one? As an absolute statement, it's likely wrong (but no, I personally don't want to see that).

#613 3 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

He didn't say no one.
He said Noone.

"No one" is right.
"No-one" is an uncommon variant form. It’s best to stick to the two-word version.
"Noone" is wrong.

So in either case/form the statement is wrong.

#664 3 years ago
Quoted from TKDalumni:

AC/DC, GOT, and SW pros are far from lacking. Some might say they are better players

SW Pro is DEFINITELY lacking. AC/DC Pro is lacking the least. GoT Pro is right in the middle.

#722 3 years ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

Haha, you must be on of them Li...Never mind, your form CA. Yeah any arm above the the shoulders is a hail hitler to you you. Ridiculous!!!

Heil. HEIL.

#733 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

I'm not a rich man though. And I'm still debating whether or not I should get a pro or prem for ghostbusters.

No question. Premium on Ghostbusters. Pro is severely lacking.

#744 3 years ago
Quoted from pindude80:

The team on the game is usually a make or break for me. Who is on the team for Munsters, besides Borg?

Munsters team is the second best case scenario. Borg, Franchi, Dwight, and it is a BFD, indeed. Only swapping out Dwight for Lyman could make it perfect. But this is a very, very strong second. I expect great things from this machine, and the leaked cabs are not calming the hype train fuel.

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#749 3 years ago
Quoted from Jackalwere:

What is considered Dwight's best coded game? I know he worked with Keith on LotR and TSPP. GoT? GB? T2? STtNG?

GoT is his best so far IMO. But I'm really looking forward to whatever he does with Munsters. SO much potential.

#759 3 years ago
Quoted from RA77:

My guess is Munsters will have 3 flippers and lacking code - ( i know duh ) on release next month.

They didn't pick the Munsters team at random. They wanted to make a statement. I also think Borg has something to prove after copying or mirroring his playfields for the last 10 years. Munsters is likely to be a very special, new playfield design.

That said, I don't think it will be released next month. I can see it being ANNOUNCED in 6 weeks at expo, but release of the Pros in Nov and Prem in Dec is more likely.

#766 3 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Alright....cutting to the chase...who really knows if/ when this is coming, and how much? I might bite....

If? Definitely yes.

When? Less certain, but probably announced in Oct and Pros start flowing in November.

#775 3 years ago
Quoted from mnpinball:

If you are a fan of Gottlieb Haunted House. Munsters LE/Premium will be your game. Jacked up 2018 style !

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#778 3 years ago
Quoted from zucot:

I hope there are no mini playfields.

If it's a riff on Haunted House, you're pissing into the wind.

#780 3 years ago
Quoted from zucot:

So you’re telling me there’s a chance...

Maybe on the stripped out pro.

#787 3 years ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

My potential concern with a Dwight Sullivan code is completeness. This issue obviously isn't unique for his games and his time availability is not ultimately his call, but I understand that both GoT's and GB's code feel unfinished. Not sure as far as SW's. In contrast, although he can take quite a while to finish, you can be confident that a Lyman Sheats code will be complete in the end.

GoT is the most complete, I think. However it does have some pretty major bugs that should have been addressed a year or more ago, if nothing else.

Ghostbusters is his biggest mess remaining.

#795 3 years ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

He stated in a recent interview that he's most proud of his SW work.

Until you have the benefit of perspective only time can impart, sometimes to a creator that's too close to a project, it's not clear that work you THINK is your best is not objectively your best.

I agree that GoT is his best work so far. We'll see what time says.

#799 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

That escalated quickly.
You should listen to that interview, he actually was very cautious what he was saying.
Of course he is proud that the game is deep, but he aknowledges it's kinda overly convoluted.
He actually says he want's to make a game that is more nearable (is that a word?) like T2 but with depth like GoT or SW for home consumer market.

I'm just saying that it's human nature to give most recent "good" work you've spent the better part of a year working on the benefit of feeling it's "great" when the passage of time will equalize perception to the actual truth. Not a knock on Dwight.

#809 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

I love the LE speculation....
Who said it was limited to 500 machines?
About 3 weeks ago a good friend had just been to factory. Although I can't confirm it, only what was told to me. I was told the LE's will be set at 1000.

That's crazy. Iron Maiden has WAY more appeal globally, and they wouldn't even go to 666 (which they would have sold). I can't imagine they'll do 1000 on Munsters. Worldwide demand isn't there.

#817 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

I still don't get why they didn't do 666 for maiden. Such a wasted opportunity.

KISS hung around for a long time in stock, WWE LE is STILL overflowing warehouses, and they were afraid of another like that, but given the huge overseas interest in Iron Maiden, anyone with even a passing knowledge knew that they could EASILY sell 666 and it actually made SENSE.

#819 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

Well... could you imagine how cool it would be to get teh 666th one... That be one that people would probably just be looking to flip for money sadly...
And I get it, Sterns reticence. I do... Pinball sales are up finally, but they still pale to what they were in the past.
Only reason there is a thriving pinball industry right now is the insane prices for new pinball machines. Which is a catch 22. As the insane prices make it profitable for the company, but it prevents younger people from getting into the hobby by pricing them out. Which in the long term is bad for the hobby.
I'm not bemoaning the costs of new pins. Just my observation. And again nothing against new pins... With a little bit of luck I might be able to get Munsters NIB at the tail end of their production run. That is provided its both a good playing and good looking game.
I want both Lilly and Marilyn on playfield look glamorous and gorgeous.

I guarantee that if they had done 666 LEs, the 666 one would have gone to the band. But then at least all the LEs could have had "xxx/666 LIMITED EDITION" on each collector plate. "xxx/500" is SUCH a missed opportunity.

#821 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

Yeah, and the band might give it away or raffle it for charity. If Clive Burr was still alive that would make a great auction item for his charity that they set up.
So, I think it would only be a matter of time till it got in private hands.

Having the 666th one would be cool, but it was more about getting 666 on every collector plate because there WAS 666. Stern blew it when this pin was clearly a home run and could support 666 no problem.

#828 3 years ago
Quoted from Droptargets:

I'm in for Munsters, hoping for a hybrid cross of Addams family and monster bash.

I'm hoping for something new from Borg with the three levels of Haunted house.

#840 3 years ago
Quoted from trimoto:

So does anyone know will there be pro models on this one .?, im only seeing prem. And LE pictures .

You can see a bit of the knob for the shooter on the left side of the Premium pic. All three were clearly part of the same picture that was cut up. For some reason Kaneda didn't have the juice to get a Pro picture for his leak. His reputation is clearly overblown.

#843 3 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

Borg has the same problem with layouts for the last 10 years. In a serious rut. Hopefully Elwin's freshness embarrassed him into doing something actually new.

Yep. Borg has been using the same or a mirrored layout for 10 years. Lame.

However, comments about "his next"/Munsters make me hopeful Elwin inspired him to put some effort into it.

#846 3 years ago
Quoted from FalconPunch:

Dude. Did you just quote and agree with yourself?

Hahaha! Not on purpose. I answered a notification that I was quoted and I replied to that. I thought that pinsider sounded awfully rational and level-headed, but I was in the middle of a project and just quick-answered without looking too closely. I wonder why I'd get a notification about my own post?

But you're welcome for the entertainment. Remember to tip your waitress on the way out. I'll be here all week...

#849 3 years ago
Quoted from trimoto:

Im getting exited for this one ,
pro would be fine for me

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#852 3 years ago
Quoted from Ven:

same not a fan of Lonnie code in general

Lonnie is in all the games (he also does low-level system and system menu code re-used by all games), but Munsters is a BFD (Borg (design) - Franchi (art) - Dwight (software) ). An awesome combination. Second best trio you can pull. IMO. I expect great things. Triple BFD hype train on fire!
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#875 3 years ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

ehhmm, I would say Stern hit a grand slam on the Batman 66 topper personally. Time will tell what they do with Star Wars.

The LOOK of the topper is great, but like most (all?) the Stern toppers it has almost nothing going on in-game. They have the ability to have it DO stuff - quite a bit of stuff, but it's just not integrated into the game well at all.

#893 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Even the car wouldnt be bad as the topper but the mansion would probably be ther best. It has to be one of the two though i think.

I'd love to have the car as the topper if there were a decent scale one available. 1/15th scale is the biggest I've seen and that's only 14". Needs to be more like 24".

#904 3 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

I am not a lower playfield lover as well.... will they offer all three models on day one, or will it be a staggered intro?

If Munsters is truly a play on Haunted house with a more full-featured mini-playfield on the bottom level with full flippers, pop or pops, and drop targets, I'm totally down with that. I just don't want SF2/Congo/ACDC style gimped lower PF.

And actually, I'd be fine if the lower PF was an LCD and they had a devil's crush type pinball with progressive, changing environments like DC had.

#906 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

Vireland... I think you might just have something in the lcd idea... So much cool stuff you could do with that idea. I don't think it would fit the Munsters theme, and I doubt stern would be the right company to do something like that first. But, I think a company totally should do that. But, then again I'd love to have more games like Revenge from Mars(never played it. Really want to) and Star Wars Episode 1(really, really enjoy the game I think it gets a bad rap. Its a fun pinball game).

I'd be down with an LCD in the playfield window since it would almost be like a very interactive video mode, and if it was as progressive as Devil's Crush with lots of stuff to work through, it would be great. But I'm not jonesing for more RfM or SWE1. Did not like pinball 2000. Too same-y.

#909 3 years ago
Quoted from RA77:

Now there's a cool rumor
Virtual lower playfield eh ?
Could be wild if correctly integrated
Would upset a lot of purists though.
VLP Would make sense to Stern bom department
Cheap and easy to install/maintain.
4 screws and a couple of cables

I don't think they did it for Munsters, but it would get away from crappy lower playfields. Unfortunately, the level of software quality would have to improve dramatically for it to be cool. But, yeah, Naxat-level Devil's Crush game as the 3rd playfield would be amazing.

#917 3 years ago

I really hope Stern isn't swapping Beatles and Munsters releases. Pretty sure Beatles is a mistake Stern/Kapow will regret.

#920 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Nope. mnpinball stated already and has been quote more than 3 times already...Munsters pros shipping in Nov.

Fingers crossed nothing has changed. Two duds in a row would be too much, and I'm hyped for Munsters.

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#922 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Where in the world did you even see that was suggested? You are the first to mention it from what I've been reading on this thread and as well as on the "what's the next Stern game?" thread.

Can't say. Hope it was wrong.

#925 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

What are the Duds in a row... It's been Iron Maiden, and then Deadpool...
Iron Maiden isn't a dud.
And Deadpool looks to be fun... I don't think I'll ever buy one. But, I wouldn't mind playing one.

Beatles would MAKE it two duds in a row. Deadpool is a shallow clunky Gomez special. Beatles I have zero interest in as a pinball machine, and it's Kapow, so it will be bend you over a barrel-time on price. So, yeah, hoping I heard wrong and Munsters is still next.

#926 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Deadpool is fun! I like it better than Maiden.

It's all fun in the honeymoon phase. Give it 3-4 months.

#934 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

How many games have you put on Deadpool and Beatles?

Deadpool - enough to recognize the Gomez clunk. Beatles - zero, but the theme says nothing at all to me for pinball, and some of the other stuff that's rumored about the machine is a big "WTH was Stern thinking with these license restrictions?"

#936 3 years ago
Quoted from Diospinball:

What are the Duds in a row... It's been Iron Maiden, and then Deadpool...
Iron Maiden isn't a dud.
And Deadpool looks to be fun... I don't think I'll ever buy one. But, I wouldn't mind playing one.

And just to be clear, Iron Maiden ABSOLUTELY is NOT a dud. Great game.

#941 3 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

So it all comes down to whether you personally like the game or not to determine dud or not? Nothing to do with how fun the game is to others or maybe how many units are sold?

Harley Davidson sold a LOT of pins, and Harley fans love it. It's crap. So, uh, yeah. Number of pins sold (and, BTW, Deadpool is not exactly burning up the presses), and number of people professing love (especially in the first 3-4 months) is ZERO solid indicator of a pin being good.

#942 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I heard from a totally reliable source (non Stern employee) that the Munsters is next !!

I pray that your source is 100% correct. I really, really, really want Munsters to be next.

#949 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Just like KISS

No way. I'd have KISS LE again any day over any current flavor of Deadpool. (I'm not great about keeping my collection updated on pinside. Moves too much. I'm a recovering pin addict and have limited myself to max of 2 at any given time, so there's a lot of churn)

#961 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

Over 60 new posts thought some real info had finally dropped, 30 of those posts are vireland ragging on Gomez and Deadpool, Vire if your gonna go on a rant I expect a damn graph man

There's some real info in there. I hope it's WRONG info, but pretty solid source in the past, so we may be waiting longer for Munsters and get Kapow Beatles next. That's definitely new. Bleaugh.

And graphing isn't off the table, but it has to be REALLY bad to pull out the data points and make a picture.

#967 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

If you are wrong, then that would mean that is not real info. Munsters is up NEXT!!!!!!! How many times does mnpinball need to be quoted?

Thank you.

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#983 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

This is not a Kapow SLE game so Herman would not be calling anyone.

Kapow's website is super-sad. http://www.kapowpinball.com/home.html

The "about" page isn't about Kapow Pinball, it's about Joe Kaminkow, talking about the 1,500 games that he has intellectual property in. Then on the games page, the only thing shown is Batman'66. Survey is closed and promotion is old. So, uh...yeah.

#985 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I'm not sure what you think that means far as Munsters is concerned, but I don't see a relation at all. Munsters is still next !!

I was responding to your mixed post about BM'66 (Kapow) and Herman not giving a phone call (Stern), which reminded me about the Kapow website with the "leave your name and Batman might call" which is still there.

#1008 3 years ago
Quoted from Macca101010:

Could make for a good topper, it's at the Bradford Exchange.[quoted image]

WAY too small. At a pitiful 11", it would be less than half the width of the backbox. All the Munsters cars I've seen would be too small for a topper of any consequence.

#1014 3 years ago
Quoted from splitskull:

I’m confused.... so it's still a speculation? Or for sure?

100% for sure. Borg (Design), Franchi (Art), Dwight (code). The only potential problem is if they really are pushing Beatles up ahead to release first. We'll know in a couple weeks.

#1016 3 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Well...I'm heading to expo in hopes of seeing/playing this one in some fashion. Would be good if they announced it prior to expo, then we could review/ commit after seeing it.....would certainly bring more to the show, and hype the game more, imho......

If Munsters is indeed THE expo reveal, definitely share pics and video! I'm pretty hyped for this one, especially after the tri-level Haunted House comparison.

But the more I think about it, with Munsters Pro launching AFTER Halloween and Prem/LE in Nov and Dec, the Halloween tie-in becomes less relevant and they might want to get Christmas casual suckers with Beatles, which is (head-scratchingly) aimed for the home market. So the "Beatles next" info I couldn't believe might actually be true.

#1018 3 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Man, I hope you're wrong w that...have zero interest in a Beatles pin......

You and me both.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

Gonna fly in Friday, and leave Sunday morning...will definitely post any Munsters sightings (please, please)....I'm more excited than I should be for this one, given I haven't even seen the damn thing yet.....it just sounds like the stars could align with this one....

Yeah, Borg seems pretty stoked on this one, which is a great sign, and I actually like both the Prem and LE art Kaneda leaked, even if they have been revised since then. Hoping to see your pics in a couple weeks!

#1024 3 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Many Bradford Exchange products are nice, but their billing practices are basically a scam (in my personal expierence anyway). My wife and I have been trying to get them to stop sending us stuff we didn’t order for months. Letters, phone calls, etc...junk (and I mean junk that I would never order...like some weirdo three foot tall died black tree) keeps coming.
Deal with the Bradford Exchange at your own peril.

Under US consumer law, if a company sends you something you did not order, it's legally yours to keep at no cost.

Now, if you have a zombie subscription you can't stop, I'd document a few calls, then start counting whatever keeps coming as gifts.

#1075 3 years ago
Quoted from Psw757:

TWIP reporting Beatles may have been moved up in front of Munsters.

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#1092 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

You missed Brian Eddy's game. It should be ready as well next year.

Did he miss it?

#1099 3 years ago
Quoted from Guinnesstime:

A Podcast said Beatles is going to be a rehashed layout. Which layout?

Spiderman home edition. <--joke, but only a little.

#1133 3 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

SW was empty because they spent a fortune on the license. Word is Beatles cost 3X that much.
So I guess SW/3= how empty Beatles will be.

And some of the other rumored license restrictions are real head scratchers as to why Stern would even bother. Talk about limiting sales.

Munsters, on the other hand, should be a sales bonanza next year.

#1135 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

I think I'm looking at the wrong thread - I thought this was the Munsters thread ?
Must have got changed today. Sorry - I'll go look in the Beatles thread and see if the Munsters is there.

#1137 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Sales Bonanza will start in November for sure, not counting the very first initial sales late this month soon as they make the announcement. You will see Pro's shipping in November.

I really, really, really hope this is still the timeline for Munsters. Very much want a Premium, and mid 1Q 2019 is a long way from here.

#1148 3 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

I don’t think licensing is expensive.
A while back an industry person here commented on the cost &amp; it was not much.

MUSIC licensing is ridiculously expensive, especially if you want to "buy out" each song so it's not for a particular time AND home vs commercial venue playback is another layer of cost, especially when you're talking Beatles.

#1150 3 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

I hear ya but Stern doesn’t do anything expensive.
So it can’t be expensive
Because if it were
It wouldn’t happen

Mmm....OR they accepted ridiculously restrictive terms to get the cost down. Terms that are insane for a pinball machine.

#1200 3 years ago
Quoted from Ven:

Hope its not Dwight, just not a fan of his code for some reason.

It's a BFD (Borg - Design, Franchi-Art, Dwight-Code lead), so Dwight for sure.

#1209 3 years ago
Quoted from Camvr2013:

Apologies if I missed this earlier in the thread. Any speculation on how many flippers it’ll have?

6 Flippers, 6 Pop bumpers, 6 drop targets.

#1215 3 years ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

Lets see, probably 500 Le units sold. Half go overseas = 250. I would guess at least 50 flippers buying LE's to pump out some change on a quick flip.

I doubt Munsters was popular enough overseas to send half the LEs. I would guess more like 100-150.

#1256 3 years ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

Yeeah, ok. Guess I already got a monster theme pin with Metallica. Be nice if Munsters go heavy on the 60's stuff and car culture. All that would go so great together. Is this going to be regular release or like BM66 and no pro?

Promo pictures have Pro, Prem, LE. Pricing is still a mystery, but I would assume "normal" (as in $200 bump from Deadpool).

#1311 3 years ago
Quoted from Blacksun:

Spot under the stairs!!! It's a MUST!!!! Would be a bad ass shot to make him roar. There are a TON of things that could be added.

Yeah, looking forward to a "stairs" ramp with a trap door in the middle of it. HAS to be done.

#1323 3 years ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

It has proven very difficult to replace Fred Gywn as Herman.

It's pretty hard to replace all the main characters. Grandpa is at least as iconic and unique as Herman. Marilyn is about the only one they could put almost anyone in the part. Same thing with The Little Rascals. All the tries at redoing it just fall flat due to a combination of casting, tone, and writing.

#1328 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Theres a pin Ive never heard mentioned.

Little Rascals could be a very cool pin. Tons of comedy, lots of great characters. The earliest stuff becomes public domain in just a few years.

#1363 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

I am going to contact my distro and put our name down today! We sold a machine over the week end so we have a space. Lonnie on code will probably kill the game for us too.

It's a BFD (Borg design, Franchi Art, Dwight code). So, thankfully, no Lonnie.

#1365 3 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Dwight’s track record of Linearbusters, Game of Math, and Math Wars puts me in a solid “wait and play first” category.

Game of Math is undeniably great. Show integration with the Houses and tons of ways to play and paths to the end. Linearbusters I think will get fixed. Math Wars - I'm with you there. Complicated for no good reason. Dwight>Lonnie confirmed.

#1368 3 years ago
Quoted from pin_king:

Can’t imagine that you can get more value (number of interactive toys, high detail playfield figures, ramp count, shaker motor, graphics) than the new MBrLE for the same price. However I wish I’m wrong...

You're essentially getting a Stern Premium for a Pro price. Very competitive.

#1370 3 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

MBrLe is $5,400?

Can you read? Where did I say the MBrLE? I was clearly comparing CGC's base model to Stern's base model. CGC's base model is similar to a Stern Premium at a Stern Pro price.

#1380 3 years ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

2 major events and nothing about Munsters. Oh well, sounds like 2020 or never for this one. Maybe we can get The Three Stooges instead

They're probably trying to squeeze out whatever deadpool sales they can before killing it for good by announcing almost anything else. I don't blame them. When you have a weak hand, you have to play it hard if you're not folding straight out.

#1404 3 years ago
Quoted from mnpinball:

The word among expo is 4 insects first.

#1410 3 years ago

The guy that did a colorization test portfolio for Munsters opening did a great job. I'm not usually down with colorization, but his is really subtle work that looks organic. This would look great for the video clips used in the game.

#1425 3 years ago

They had a color Munsters movie special, but that's it to my knowledge. The series never made the jump to color and never was colorized.

#1439 3 years ago
Quoted from Hazoff:

I love comedy, good comedy that is. Sorry but if you find pinball humor to be "quality comedy" then I really having nothing else to say.

There's some genuinely funny stuff in Houdini. The dude escalating awards, then saying HOLY S***! cracks me up every time. It was so unexpected the first time, but the way he says it is funny or at least humorous every time. I don't want yuk yuk comedy beginning to end, but some occasional comedy or inside jokes are welcome, especially if they're in an out of the way place in the game.

#1453 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Don't worry, no bug infestation for awhile.

You were saying? Looks like Beatles is official today, ahead of Munsters, as was known well over a month ago and I posted about almost exactly a month ago. You need new "sources."

#1470 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

To be fair, he was really referring to the next Stern game, not contract/Kapow game.

Yeah...sure. He's been saying Munsters before Beatles EVERY time I said that wasn't the order. He was wrong.

#1473 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Give it a month and half and we will hear about Munsters!
That crappy looking filler, boutique machine called Beatles will be a flop!

There was never any doubt. I said similar things as well in the last month.

#1475 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Munsters still good - it's coming also..... never mind the side show in between. That Still sounds like noise to me.

"I was wrong over and over, dogging on posts that had it CORRECT, but never mind that fact now that it's proven." At some point you have to realize you ARE the noise.

#1476 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

You were right - congratulations ! That reveal was awesome.

Don't pin the reveal on me just because you were wrong over and over for the last month. I ALSO said (correctly) that it would suck and I had no idea what Stern was thinking.

#1489 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Hopefully pick up Munsters machine before Christmas!

If you want a Pro or Maaaaybe an LE. I don't see them getting Prems out before the end of the year, but it would be a nice surprise.

#1537 3 years ago

Can we please stop perpetuating this low-IQ, non-word? There's no such thing. There's either NEWS, or if it's the opposite, it's misinformation, disinformation, or propaganda or any of a number of other real words.

#1560 3 years ago
Quoted from Boof-Ed:

I can honestly say I like the black and white better. Same picture doesn’t look right in colour to me.
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The color picture is using goofy extreme coloring on the face so it photographs better in B/W. If they toned the color version of her face down to match the coloring on her arm, for example, it would look much more natural, like that sample opening to the series that dude colorized very naturally.

#1561 3 years ago
Quoted from Macca101010:

March will align with the Butch Patrick appearance slated on the Munsters website. Time will tell I guess.....
Meet Munsters Star Butch Patrick in Person:
Mar 22-24 2019
Texas Pinball Festival
Frisco Convention Center - Frisco, Texas
Munster Koach &amp; Dragula Tribute Cars Display

If that's the case then Stern will not have 3 Cornerstones in 2018, which would be a big miss. Pretty sure they will announce in 2018 and ship at least the Pro and some LEs this year.

#1576 3 years ago
Quoted from Blacksun:

Aren't they only making 100 of these... Would hope it wouldn't take that long to sell them all.......

They're making 1,964 of these, 1,614 of which are "Gold" and the rest are Platinum and Diamond. This will not be a rare/desirable machine. Way too many made, and way too underwhelming package.

#1591 3 years ago

At 11" you might as well get a matchbox car. Way too small to put on the backbox.

#1599 3 years ago
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:

I hope that Stern surprises us with a nice original topper....(personally I think that the Munster Koach it can be a good option, perhaps in front view like the Batmobile)

Full size Koach would be fantastic, but I don't think Stern is that ambitious.

#1657 3 years ago
Quoted from mnpinball:

This game will be a top seller and probably one of the best Stern full featured games since the Simpson’s Pinball party and POTC. (Premium/LE). Trying to keep the hype train down but this one is rolling full steam ahead. LE will be full Technicolor

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#1683 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

Kiss &amp; GB updates are coming, it’s more a matter of when and what exactly will be in those updates that’s the question.
Within the last 12 months Stern have really stepped up to the plate when it comes to code, we have easily seen them the most dedicated to code and as a result had some of the best code updates in their history.

Because their games have been released with the most unfinished code in Stern's history, mandating updating pins in the field just to get the games to basic completion. Let's be real, Stern should not be congratulated for sucking more.

#1697 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

If Borg is on Munsters that only would leave Brian Eddy.
Edit: I'm more for Bill &amp; Ted but I can't afford a new machine anyway at the moment so I'll let you be first.

Wasn't Brian Eddy on Jaws?

#1702 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Jaws itself is not even enough of a rumor to make TWIP rumors, but yes, that is what is 'speculated' here on pinside.

It's still pretty far out, but I expect TWIP will start writing about it by spring.

#1704 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Even if true: Have fun getting your 'Dic blown'.


#1710 3 years ago
Quoted from BrewinBombers:

Has Beatles even really been "Announced" officially? I think people just found the images and some unlinked pages on the Beatles store. I don't think Stern would consider it an Announced game yet.

There's a press release, but no pricing on it. So it's what we call "Stern official" around here.

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#1785 3 years ago

Ruh-roh. Dwight just changed the coming "Gra...???" (likely Grandpa Munster code name) pin to 2019, so apparently Stern is done with cornerstones for 2018 (and fell short of 3 again), unless Bill and Ted is real and next.

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#1879 3 years ago
Quoted from delt31:

They think it's a feature needed b/c it's 2018, not 1991. If you're concerned about your data being taken, I would take the computer, tablet, phone or whatever you're using to post on these forums, burn them and hide in a cave.
I applaud stern for ADVANCING pinball and bringing in technology that is utilized in literally everything else and look forward to the obvious add on....real time scoring vs play against friends and online strangers.

I would welcome this if Stern actually had the BASICS under control. You know, launching with functionally complete, well-tested code, etc. Game of Thrones and Ghostbusters still have MAJOR bugs in them, years after release. Most Sterns are still shipped nowhere near to functionally complete.

So, how about we applaud when Stern can walk before welcoming their efforts to skip to running?

#1927 3 years ago
Quoted from delt31:

So let's not advance technology in pinball machines b/c they ship sometimes with incomplete code? I totally get and support what you're saying about Stern revisiting and fixing the bugs but considering this is part of their business model (get tables out and revisit later) - would you rather have incomplete code with no wifi abilities or just incomplete code and no wifi?

Sometimes? It's ALL the time now, every release except Iron Maiden that was a mostly designed game when they got it, and Beatles which has limited code. Stern can't handle the BASICS at this point. Given that reality, they should concentrate on getting that right first, because I guarantee that net code will be a huge, insecure cluster with their current attention to detail.

#1928 3 years ago
Quoted from Bud:

I would also hope that this WiFi ability wouldn’t lead to paid monthly subscriptions that are mandatory for a pin to operate. This would also mean one would have to purchase internet and incur another operating expense on top of all the other expenses and splits associated with operating pins.
I use to operate TouchTunes and TouchTunes would automatically take a 22% cut of the earnings. In addition, I was only allotted a small amount of service credits (10 a month I think) before I was charged a heavy fee for anything over my allotment. TouchTunes also phases out their equipment where an operator can no longer run that particular equipment and it forces the operator to buy new equipment. I no longer operate TouchTunes.
I surely hope pinball manufacturers do not follow TouchTunes lead on this practice.

Touchtunes cut is the music licensing fee that pays for the music. But yeah, Touchtunes sucks compared to other options out there.

#1985 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

That was my thought, but when asked I was told Beatles is not selling well.

Fortunately we can at least see how Beatles store is doing with them, and after the first case sold, they've sold zero. For about 3 weeks.

Hopefully this is the death of the action figure case rarity model.

#2144 3 years ago
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:

Vireland, are you around brother?... any thoughts with the playfield in your POV please

Waiting for the Premium/LE playfield version. Those leaked pics are all Pro, right? Certainly more excited to see Munsters Prem/LE than getting a Monster Bash remake. The wait is agonizing, though!

#2149 3 years ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

I don’t get the excitement about this one. The layout seems like a Monster Bash rehash. Unpopular opinion: If prices were the same, I’d take a Beatles every time over Munsters. Better theme and more interesting layout.

You're comparing a Premium/LE (Monster Bash) to a Pro Munsters. And Beatles...ugh. Munsters code will destroy the very simple Beatles code. Wait until the Prem/LE pics are out, then make the judgement.

#2227 3 years ago
Quoted from JY64:

I will never understand why people think deeper = better

Because, unlike the 20th century, lots of these are going straight to homes in the 21st century. Shallow games in homes are a death knell for longevity/interest. Exhibit A - Whoa Nelly/Pabst/Beatles.

#2228 3 years ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

Agreed, I bought this game last week, I think I have just about seen every thing it has to offer, even with the 2.0 rom.
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Joined the Cirqus the first day I had this. Lost interest and sold it. It's a very easy game.

#2232 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Does anyone have a Beatles in home yet? Seems premature to strike the death knell for longevity before the starting gun has fired.

Based on the fact that a couple people almost completed it on show floors playing it for the first time, I would say it's likely not premature.

#2234 3 years ago
Quoted from westofrome:

Wait, someone rolled the score? WOW.

Rolling the score and completing the available code are two different things, as you clearly must know. I rolled over the Defender vid in the arcade multiple times, but had pretty much seen all the code long before that happened. Same idea with Beatles.

#2238 3 years ago
Quoted from westofrome:

Sure, but for most of pinball history score was the primary objective. I've rolled pins and then for extra challenge tried to play a 4 player game and roll all 4. The idea of "seeing everything" is a pretty new pinball phenomenon and doesn't have to be the point.

You are perhaps the last of a dying breed. I salute you.