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Quoted from pinballaddicted:Hey Macca,
I think we are in on a LE. I think it is Borg and hopefully Lyman. New game design with new mechs. We have a space ready!
Awesome theme, no brainer. It's Borg and hopefully his TWD sidekick Lyman on code. My biggest fear and probably a no go would be Lonnie on the code. I'd just have to wait for Beatles.
I'm already on the list for an LE! (Well i carried over my deposit from SW) 
Quoted from dsmoke1986:Yawn...Zero interest in this theme. The show hasn't been in syndication since the 80's; no one under the age of 30 knows what the Munsters are...Is there a new movie or re-branded show coming out?
Most people under 30 can’t/won’t buy a pinball machine. Get it?
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:I was thinking how cool too, would be the pin in BW.
last night in a dream, Im playing this game, and one main goal is to
"Colorize" the game.
Beat the Herman Mode, and his BW figure turns to color, along with a Playfield area..
Same for all the characters....Colorize your game, in addition to modes....
It sure looked and played well in my dream!
Based on what i saw i think your dream is coming true with the LE.
It starts out Black and White, the LCD was white, coin door was gold plated.
Quoted from cooked71:Got to say the LE cab and art looks cool.
It’s def different
Hopefully they are doing something cool with some b/w to color transitions
Franchi did a great job on the premium.
I put it right there with Alice Cooper Nightmare Castle artwork (not the LE though)
The black/white LCD is gonna have a tough time comparing to ACNC.
Of course we haven't seen yet what really matters! Gotta be a Borg/Dwight home run right 
CGC is gonna sell 2-3k MBr's, maybe more.
Nothing external is gonna derail the Stern machine of shipping 12k pins in 2018. They can only do it to themselves and just might with price increases again.
Munsters and Beatles are gonna set new highs on pricing for Stern.
MBr is gonna wow people and its one of the greatest pins ever.
Quoted from Diospinball:I don't know the current sales... But, I think 12k is a bit high for sales...
Don't know... I would think 4-8k is the normal range for stern right now... But, again I don't know. But, I do think you're right about the MBr numbers.
But, I do think they'll be selling the MBr numbers for a longer time than the munsters.
They shipped just over 10k pins in 2017.
Quoted from mnpinball:Yep the pro and premium will be drastically different
But not the artwork? Same
Dwight didn't push GB across the goal line so I'm cautious.
The only slam dunk is Lyman and he is the F ing KING.
The flippers have lined up to place their bets on the Munsters LE, like they did with IMDN.
I think it F ing sucks that you see NIB's coming out in the market for profit.
If you don't want it, don't F ing buy it. All it does is give Stern the juice to keep raising prices.
When i hear "I've got 3 LE games reserved at different distros" it really chaps my ass.
I've already dropped one distro because they sell to these D bags.
Come on, its not like you are getting rich flipping these NIB's! All you are doing is F ing everybody else that wants one.
Quoted from cjmjmm2006:I buy 3 LEs usually but this is for my locations that can support it.
I know and that is great!
Making new pinball available to the hobby and public is fantastic. And that’s REAL demand.
Now if you were buying 6 and stashing 3 then it’s hard to be a fan of that practice 
Of course it’s everybodys right to do it but it just keeps creating artificial demand and drives prices up, I’m talking about the flipper brigade here
Then the bag holders get stuck later asking WTF happened to the value after the party is over
Shhhhh, listen closely, the music is almost over, better grab a chair
Don't let the LE hype train F you over!!!
Another price increase is coming most likely and Stern is going shove these LE's down the distro's throats, and the distro's are going to demand "non refundable deposits".
STOP the BS, seriously.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:I do. Deadpool Premiums are not even shipping yet, so why should Stern haste?
Might only take a week or so to fill all those orders. If that.
Quoted from cpr9999:Might take 3 years depending on how often they build them - one never knows....
If they build 10 at a time per year maybe
Quoted from clg:Agreed, this is a very USA specific theme. It may be a good game but it is an odd theme.
It’s kind of like Thunderbirds. We over here across the pond are like WTF
Quoted from benheck:I'm on your same side of the pond and Munsters make me think WTF
Geez, next thing you are gonna say is you weren’t a fan of the Beverly Hillbillies, Gilligans Island or Hogan’s Heroes? Wtf!
Quoted from NoQuarters:Don't care. Don't get worked up over it.
I'm not pinning the reveal on you. I just said it was awesome.
You were right.
But hey - better days ahead. Munsters !
Don't worry about NoQuarters, who cares. Vireland the grown man child knows it all.
Quoted from Rarehero:Well that's not true. Every model has an LCD, and the SE and LE have a giant color LCD that blows away anything Stern's done with their iPad screen.
Wrong again and par for the course
Quoted from Whysnow:it is a shame they would waste any amount of time on a technology their customer base is not asking for and likely wont even want.
I know for certain, i dont want a pinball machine connected to the internet (neither personal nor especially on route).
Stern wont be getting free access to any of my data.
I am not sure why they think this is a feature that is needed???
Pinheads can do updates pretty easy. Non-pinheads and crap operators are never going to update from whatever a game ships with anyway.
What info can they possibly want? It's not FB and they seemingly already hate their consumers.
Quoted from TigerLaw:How so? Munsters is a two flipper fan layout game from what we can see and TAF has four flippers...Munsters will be vastly more similar to the other two flipper fans from Borg than any four flipper title from Pat.
I believe we are getting 4 flippers on premium/LE Tiger
Quoted from Who-Dey:You couldn’t have picked a better name for yourself Bubblehead.
LOL Terry...Bubbles needs to def change his name when you act like that.
Like Kman Jr.?
Let’s hope Dwight is able to bring some Lyman like magic to Munsters
Hopefully it won’t be like GB waiting 2 yrs to get to a meaningful wrap up and polish
I don’t know what SW is like but I hope he stays away from linear progression this time
I think they are gonna try and squeeze more Beatle's sales and wait until first week of Jan. and then show it at CES January 9th.
Wouldn't it be tough to ramp up production during Xmas?
Although I'm sure they would like to blunt the MBr sales too.
Quoted from mnpinball:Production line has already begun late last week on said Munsters.
Quoted from NeilMcRae:It is if they pull it off. With IMDN premium/LE extras are just a freaking nightmare. Not only did we pay a lot more for not a lot, they don't work right!
They were clearly done to a budget without a doubt and they simply didn't pull it off. I love the game when its working and playing well but running events with an IMDN LE/Premium in the line up is just non-stop moan central with bits of it not working or the captive ball fires preventing folks from getting the super skill shot. its a glorious fail, Stern are aware and haven't done anything about it.
From out of the box my captive balls fired when ever you flipped. Then the shooter lane alignment, and now the mummy capitive ball and sarcophagus are playing up. I'd rather not have had those things and have a game the plays well.
Mine had those issues and then some.
I can take apart and put back together that Sarco mech in my sleep I did it so many times. It's a piece of shit mech.
As for the captive balls, finally got those tuned in using the locktite and switch adjustments.
Really by the time i sold it the game was playing perfectly! Oh well, on to Munsters now.
Quoted from kermit24:Agreed - This one was priced wrong. Maybe they could have got to that price without all the hands in the cookie jar. Add in the Kapow cheese and The Beatles license cheese and you get a crappy price.
The Beatles licensing fee is kind of essential here
Quoted from J85M:Take DP pricing add £500
And at those prices, one would have to be boredline stupid to buy one, comes a point where we have to just stop buying in the U.K. as we are getting fleeced more than any other country and we kept acting like it’s ok.
I don’t know how you guys do it or why?
Quoted from J85M:If Stern have already produced both colour and b&w art packages, then just do both!
Stern have done it before where they made two LEs with AC/DC & TF, there’s probably others but those spring to mind, so just make a colour LE and a B&W LE.
As an LE buyer I'm NOT interested in B&W.
Best idea is to give people a choice if you are going to offer it. But do it on the same version.
Probably works better with the "Premium", like they did with Metallica and its two different versions, Roadcase and Monsters
Quoted from Whysnow:How many threads will there be once thinga are finally revealed?
Ill put the over under at 4 new ones.
I’ll take the OVER
Quoted from Bublehead:Ok, how the phunk does anyone know about ramps and wireforms on the lower pf?!? Pics or its all bull$pit.
Because MNP knows Bubblehead
Quoted from Bublehead:Call me doubting Tomas, but I don’t believe anything I read on Pinside.
Tune in tomorrow Bubbles. LOL
Quoted from benheck:The more people complain about a black and white version the more I hope Stern makes one
People on here have no vision. It could look AMAZING and would stand out in any arcade or basement.
But we have already seen black and white on TZ and others.
We already know what that looks like.
Some might like it but I'd have zero interest.
How the F could that look "amazing"?
Nope.
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:She was girlfriend of Howard Hughes in that time...
Btw, who said that the Premiums are the B&W? Who started with that statement? I know that this has been discussed for at least 5x50 pages but that doesn’t have to be accurate at all, makes sense in just L.E.(My POV).
Mr. reliable, MNP. Bank on it.
LE full color.
Quoted from lordloss:Seems like another gaurdians of the galaxy that will soon be forgotten. Stern isn't using the screen very well. Still can't compare in any aspect to JJPOTC.
Well I guess it certainly won’t compare in numbers of pins sold
Munsters will sell thousands more than JJPPOTC
Quoted from DS_Nadine:I have a (honest, non trolling) question:
What is the "story" of the game, aka is there a(ny) story to speak of?
Everything on the game seems awesome, but reading from the playfield it just looks like 'collect all characters' followed by the Wizard Mode.
That combined with the Herman Bashtoy (Why exactly am I shooting him? Is he the enemy?!) is a bit lacking for me.
Again, not pooping on the machine, but for me I like a TINY bit of story that holds everything together and the toys making sense within that (and I want the game to have this).
Like TotAN "Save the Princess" (and therefore shoot the evil Dschin), or GoT "Choose one house and battle against the rest for Iron Throne Domination" (and shoot the Dragon).
NOT like GotG where you shoot Rocket Raccon and Groot. WHY?!
Think of it this way. It’s kind of like what’s the “story” of BM66
There you go
Quoted from DS_Nadine:Guess so.
I will play it and I know I will like it.
But it wouldn't hurt to throw some dumbass stoy in.Well, I don't know the game but it's kinda self explanatory.
I catch the bad guys because I, the Player, am Batman.
I can live with that/ that's enough for me. More is a Bonus.
Don’t over think it
The theme kicks ass
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:My Brother spent some time playing today....Hes a seasoned player, but only for fun...
I received non stop text messages of Joy from him.
While he plays at my house, this was the first time I heard him say, "I want one"
He felt the Premium art, and lights made it something special to look at, and he would make space.
(Along with theme and game play)
Doesnt mean much, but Im impressed, when hes Impressed....Lawyers are tough Pinball Fans!
Great to hear the feedback Art.
Premium is awesome looking.
So is the LE and Pro
Franchi killed it again
It’s obvious to me that Stern has figured out...
1). Great themes sell
2). Combined with GREAT artwork
3). Combined with GREAT finished code (subject to Dwight getting GB done)
No Gary, it’s not just selling a “box of blinking lights” like you said with Star Wars
BM66 is becoming one of Sterns greatest ever
Is the layout great? Nothing special. But see above 3 points.
Lyman is worth his weight in gold
Thus, carry on with doing it the right way
Quoted from DS_Nadine:So who's Platinum and Diamond?
It better be Dwight, right?
And kudos to the entire Stern coding team
Including the animation group
Beatles is phenomenal, so is BM66 and now Munsters
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:L.E. #33 available, I canceled mine. My Brother cancelled his L.E. too...don’t know what number he wanted to have.
WTF is going on here!
Canceled with who, I need two more.....
Quoted from noob-a-tron:Did this many people cancel on the Iron Maiden LE seems like a few are not happy.
Getting that LE was much easier. I picked one up two weeks later. Sold it 6 months later and happy to move on.
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:When we bought 2 Batman66 L.E., one of them it was from a guy from Texas that cancelled his L.E. #9.... don’t tell me now that my Brother’s BM66 it was yours?
LOL, no i was talking about IMDN. I'd never sell my BM66
Although i did switch Distributors for good after the Batman fiasco I had with them. One of the best moves I've made.
Quoted from Rarehero:LE can still sell out with more people prefering the Premium. LE taps out at 500. Prem only has to sell more than 500 to show that more people like it.
Who gives a shit. 
Quoted from EricHadley:After my back and forth between Premium and Pro then watching the Premium stream I decided the lower looks like a lot of fun but I got really tired of the B&W so I put a deposit down on an LE!
LOL. Congrats!
Agreed, B&W gets old after a while.
Quoted from Eskaybee:There are many pieces to a pinball machine that make it unique, or similar even, from the next.
Playfield layout is just a small piece.
Insert matrix is a small piece
Artwork is a small piece
Rules are a small piece
Artwork is a small piece
Music and sounds are a small piece
Call outs are a small piece
Theme is a small piece
Code is a small piece
Lightning is a small piece
And overall gameplay/feeling is the final piece.
Add all these up and you get a different experience across the board from pin to pin. How many checkboxes does there need to be for you to even like a pin? How many to own it? How many to toss it to the curb?
You either like it or you don’t. A lot of work went into this game it shows as almost every checkbox has a mark (for me on first dead flip tutorial impression). And unfortunately, games with quick turn around also show. But sometimes certain checkboxes are more important to us than others.
This is way too rational and beyond the dumbed down thought process of many on here
“Well lookey there boys, hot damn this PF layout looks similar to AC/DC and SM”
“There goes Stern again with the cost cutting and lack of creativity”
The reasons they sell the shit out of games like Munsters are listed in your post above!
Like I said too complicated for some to grasp on here
Quoted from Mike_J:Caved and purchased the Premium as well as the LE after seeing the videos.
These are the nicest looking Stern machines in quite awhile. Great job, Team Stern.
Did somebody hijack MikeJ's Pinside account?
Wtf
Quoted from Metaluna5:You're very welcome. Glad you like it. Took a loooong time and many sleepless night to create. Lots of love went into it, as did Borg, who wore himself out into a bad illness that took him out for nearly 2 months. Happy Flipping!
Great job guys
BM66LE
Beatles
MunstersLE
My Franchi trifecta of artistic beauty lined up right next to each other!! Spot ready for Munsters
I now have situated my pins so they are far enough apart to see the gorgeous side art
Helps to have a huge space now
Quoted from jonesjb:Couldn't you just cradle the balls on one playfield, then play the other... When it drains, revert back to the other playfield.
Just takes a bit to get used to it
Kind of like GB and the opposite flippers
Quoted from JMK:Just heard from my distributor in Toronto that apparently Stern is increasing the total LE units from 500 to 600.
However, he had not been told of any art cabinet changes in the extra 100.
He’s going to reach out to Stern tomorrow to confirm.
I’m keeping my LE order but am very curious if they’re going to alter anything on these 100 units.
I think it’s a total BS move on Sterns part once again
I was praising them for understanding the “collector” aspect much better than JJP which isn’t that tough because JJP is F ing clueless on that front
While it’s not a huge difference it still matters
They should have just done 300 of each version
I’m gonna look at it again and may drop down to premium
It’s not for Stern. They are satisfying the distributors and of course you have the ones that won’t sell LEs right now but hold them back to sell at a higher price later.
The distribution network expands worldwide and this is what you get
Stern should have foreseen this! It’s their network!
For the COLLECTOR. Go back to the Transformers/AC/DC LE model of 2 different versions
Make a great title more COLLECTIBLE
We have come a long ways from the days of TWD announcement.
Initially, there was not going to be a "premium" version. Thus you need to get your "LE's" in and paid for or wait for the Pro.
Big demand for the game and the rest is history. This falls under "subject to change".......
Whatever they do going forward if Stern wants to make 600 LE's? 800? 1000? I don't care.
Make a "collectible" edition and i don't mean Beatle's style. Batman style ish......
Quoted from Banker:Truth and integrity should count.
Unfortunately there is a lot of shadiness in this hobby. In all corners of it.
Quoted from tmntrule999:I see many dont like my last 2 posts, but I was just trying to say, let's be happy and grateful we are doing financially well enough in life where we can buy fun games for our home that cost thousands of dollars. We are suppose to buy these things because we enjoy them, not because of their rarity.
Who says?
I agree with enjoy them first.
I like the “collectible” aspect too. So what
If quantity didn’t matter just copy JJP and see how that goes for you
Quoted from Aurich:I did a limited edition project once, some people might remember my Metallica hammer. I told people I was only making 30 of them. Frankly it was a lot of work, and it felt like it was best to not over-commit, I wasn't purposefully trying to stir up some limited fever. But the fact is I said 30 only, I numbered them, and that was that.
Now the thing is, they weren't cheap to buy, people paid some coin for them. And the costs were in my time much more than the materials, they were high margin. I'm not gonna say it was easy money, but after I recovered it wouldn't have been hard to do another batch and cash in enough to buy another pin or something. Demand was there, people PM'd me about them all the time.
But I said 30, I meant it, and if I went back on that it would have made me out to be something I don't want to be. I can be an ass sometimes, but my word is my word, and you can trust me to keep it. I wouldn't let down the people who paid me for something, I owe them that.
So my answer, as a business, is you keep your integrity because you promised something. If I wanted to make more I shouldn't have said 30, and if Stern didn't calculate demand right at 500, oh well, that was the mistake they made. Make a color Premium and move on.
I'm not buying any flavor of Munsters, I couldn't care less what the number is, affects my life not at all. Maybe this is all BS and it's not 600. But if I could choose I'd rather belong to a community that agreed about basic ethics and standing by your principles. Those are the kind of people I like to be around, even if they too are asses sometimes.
"integrity"
Quoted from EricHadley:Can we get back to talking about the sweet ass game? Fuck this 500vs600 bullshit. I DONT FUCKING CARE
Did you flip back to the Premium Wacky?
Quoted from vex:BINGO! Now you're cooking with gas. Bring them on just as long as it doesn't effect game play who cares?
Ask yourself why they don't just go ahead and make 1,000 LE's. What do you think? Can you figure that one out?
Quoted from Jvspin:Was about to say the strategy of increasing LE allotment if demand is strong will only work once, but nah...I suspect it will work over and over again.
Got to hand it to Stern, the way they're always playing around with their pricing strategies keeps us guessing.
I get why Stern had to do it for their distributors and bigger worldwide distribution now
You would think they might have factored that in up front
So just make 2 unlimited premium versions since that’s what all the apologists seem to want anyhow
Stern makes their money off the Pro's and premiums. LE profits help the distributors more.
Yeah it sounds counterintuitive but that's how it works.
As for the number of LE's, some don't care, some do, let's just leave it at that.
Quoted from Rarehero:Remember, in 2010 the ONLY designer was Borg and the ONLY programmer was Lonnie (with Lyman working freelance). Today they're in a bigger building with TONS of staff. Why? Constant flow of $$$$$$$$$$. The 3-tier structure with LE's that usually sell out up front is what has allowed for that. People used to WAIT & play games first. Then maybe buy if they like them. For $3500. Now they buy them for $9000 before they ever touch them. That consistent guaranteed income (then the following income from Pro/Premium sales for as long as popularity keeps them selling), then repeat with the next launch is what allows them to exist with the amount of employees they have now. Without this marketing strategy, they'd be closer to what they were like in 2010 or perhaps gone.
Uhhh not so fast.
The reason they are growing and expanding are a couple of things.
JJP came along in 2011 and raised the bar substantially and brought more people like myself back into pinball.
Stern then did a deal with venture capital guys so that they could expand and grow to meet the increasing demand of the hobby since 2011.
AND they started listening to customers and doing more with great themes, great art, excellent code and hired more people!
Growth begets growth. Go big or go home.
This is why Stern can now dominate the market. 300+ employees, great designers, artists, coders, marketers, and as important assembly line workers.
Yeah it was JJP's entry into the market AND then the venture capital guys that allowed for a huge growth cycle that has helped build Stern into what it is today.
Not some BS tiered structure of selling pins.
Quoted from NeilMcRae:Overwhelming view from EAG, epic art, lower playfield is a miss, game is way too easy, needs urgent code work, perhaps even a rethink! Great shots and fun to play but really shallow.
“Really shallow” isn’t good
Did Dwight do a 180 after the Star Wars criticism?
His games are usually mostly “done” at launch
Ugh
Quoted from Sinestro:JJP has had zilch to do with Stern's growth. Their roll-out schedule since 2011 is anemic at best.
No shit on the roll out because they have F Ed it up with terrible themes and production
It’s the announcement of Woz and a new frontier of tech and LCD video that got things rolling
You obviously weren’t around then
Quoted from bigd1979:Watch the stream of dwight explaining the rules.... there is more to it then just getting to Munster madness..... actually Munster madness has a certain way to do things also. Then after that it levels up and things change. Also there is a risk vs reward of canceling out the jackpots/super jack pots and going for more . Then there's the zap button rules which i don't completely understand yet. Is this deep like jjp pins ...no. its more like later b/w pins but with more strategic risk vs reward and different levels of modes.
I’ll take your word for it until I play mine BigD
I don’t want JJP/Lyman deep on every pin that’s ok but I’d at least like to not tire of it after a few months
The theme, layout and art are worth the price of admission for me
Quoted from Sinestro:Not being on Pinside doesn't mean not being around the hobby.
If Stern took JJP's LCD screen seriously, they would have had one out before the fall of 2016.
At least we agree with JJP's theme and production issues.
Well, I can’t help you understand the bigger picture Sinestro
You don’t get it. That’s ok
Quoted from Sinestro:I get it. There's enough JJP fluffery around Pinside to put the porn industry to shame.
No. You should have seen it in the beginning
Facts are facts though
As such, I have a Woz and nothing since
Quoted from Eskaybee:Ironman, Avatar, TRON, Transformers, AC/DC were terrible themes?
Ironman was a miss exactly for the reason rarehero stated, NO LE Model. Avatar tested the waters; TRON nailed it spot on. TF was a bit of a miss when they went with 3 different LE versions but still sold out sight unseen due to TRON. AC/DC nailed it. And the cycle continued...’holy shit, we can make $5million dollars before we make a single game, it might be a good idea to expand’ And here we are today.
JJP Good for the hobby...i can’t disagree; it was his pitch (if memory serves) for Stern to do the LE model. If it wasn’t for that, we might still have $5k full featured pins, but we might not have new pins at all...
I believe Jack got Stern to do the LOTRLE that i ended up paying $5200 for. Thanks Jack.
It still takes "balls" to invest a huge amount of $$$ into pinball and "future expected growth". There are no guarantees that the "cycle" was going to keep rolling then or even now.
If Stern was still in the Dmd dark ages then yeah, it would be a total different story today.
I remember the TF days, the bloom faded quickly on that one.
When JJP entered the game it ushered in the era of "high prices". Back then, it was like holy crap, how can a pin cost $6500!
Nowadays, apparently that is chump change.
Quoted from Rarehero:Again - I have an MMr.
Again - I pre-ordered MBrLE and was going to sell my original.
Please absorb the facts before slinging insults.
Lol!
MBr for the HUGE win over the original
Quoted from cooked71:"So I'll share it ad nauseum it on a forum"
As absolutely wrong as it is!
Let’s just say he is in the OVERWHELMING minority of thought on BM66 as it sits today
Maybe it was the diplomatic description of how he feels
Quoted from bigd1979:Not sure about a ton but probably 75-100 state side
Are they scalping these games above MSRP?
Is that why they are available?
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I would not worry too much. Play the game and make your own mind up. Give it a good go and then see what you think.
BM66
TWD
GOT
AV
all got slammed on release and just after on Pinside. Turns out they are all really good games.
Two of my favorites of all time, TWD and BM66 got BLOWN UP at the outset.
I was a true believer from Day one. A common denominator on those two however is Lyman Sheets.
Despite a great theme, art and what appears to be a fun and unique layout, that "bugger" Neil from the UK doesn't like it, at all, and that worries me a bit.
However, I've got high hopes based on what I've seen.
MBrLE and TSPP are on the way as well so fun times!
Quoted from Mike_J:Neil supposedly played the machine for 6 hours straight. I’d hate anything after 6 hours.
Which begs the question, if you hated it Neil, why did you play it for 6 hours?
Quoted from ShinyBall:I still don't understand why LE's need to go to those deep pocketed in your view. You have always mention deep pocketed LE type buyers.
You bought the MBR LE..I'll bet you wouldn't say you are deep pocketed yourself..I know I am Not.
You are one confusing guy.
I think the MBrLE is not just for a “deep pocketed collector”
1250 doesn’t qualify. It’s just different and offers more stuff than the regular edition
500 edition is the same thing. Just more stuf
The “deep pocketed collector” buys a BM66SLE for the reason it’s limited to 80
Quoted from Riffbear:I've owned Monster Bash twice. Would I own it ever again? Most likely not, tho it is a great game and also VERY basic.
Am really looking forward to Munsters.
Something new and you can't beat the LCD screen.
Another title I cannot wait for is Beatles.
Basic rules and fun. Not a headache to progress.... breath of fresh air.
Well "basic" really is a "breath of fresh air" with the Beatles.
I play it more and more. Fun to shoot, watch the LCD and listen to the tunes. Plus it F ing gorgeous!
So if MB is basic too, that's what i'm looking for in a theme like that.
Quoted from Whysnow:I never once bitched about beatles. Game is a blast. price sucks but if you know me, you also now know there are deals to be had on golds...
Yes there are Hilton. From day one!
How’s it earning
In Dwight's defense, he has coded GB, GOT, SW and now Munsters.
Lyman has done TWD, BM66 and whatever he's on now.
I love the theme, layout by Borg and the artwork of Franchi. Yes you can absolutely know for yourself if you want to buy it watching a few hours of a stream.
The one thing you don't get with not actually playing it and putting at least 300 games on it is how good the code is or can really be.
If it doesn't work out with Munsters I might just stick with buying Lyman only games in the future.
Truthfully, if you are HUO and don't play tournaments, who F ing cares about huge scoring and how you get there?
You are playing against yourself and sure that matters if you are competitive but how many people really study the code, strategies and how to score higher?
Who has the time? Especially if you have a shitload of pins.
Part of the beauty of pinball is the journey over the years of each game and figuring out the nuances. Don't need to know it right away (except for TWD)
Quoted from paul_8788:If the worry about a big loss on the NIB purchase is a concern, then people just shouldn't do it. Lots of other pins out there.
Wait a year or two, buy a NIB Premium or an HUO on the secondary market when the price has been established/stabilized and go from there.
Period. Succinctly describes the pinball market in 3 sentences.
Smart thing to do is wait, but we are impatient and fickle.
Like I'm getting another pin delivered in the AM. It's a TSPP, been waiting a LONG time for that one to arrive
Quoted from Who-Dey:A Pro model pinball machine shouldn't be a stripped down piece of shit. You are talking about a 5500-6 thousand dollar pinball machine.
Amen brother!
Some of you dudes need to take a step back and slow your roll.
Have you not learned anything?
I heard the same shit with TWD, "The Walking Dud", and BM66 "was the biggest POS money grab in Stern history".
I see what i see and i F ing like it, just like the two above.
The theme integration and LCD will give me great joy in and of itself!
Calm the F down and let the dust settle for Pete's sake.
Quoted from LesManley:Battle Royale is just a mini wizard mode for completing 2 of each villain, Super Hero is the main wizard mode for doing everything (all 3 levels of each villain - level 3 Goblin is a bitch, and all 5 modes) and that wizard mode several levels to it. As it sits Munsters is much easier than Spiderman IMHO.
I'm good with that. I bought and sold SM twice. Great game but never coming back.
Theme and LCD
Quoted from mnpinball:America’s Most Haunted plays pretty decent I’ll give you that Ben, but the art on it looks like ass.
Retheme it as Scooby Doo and reskin it with Hanna-Barbera art and I’d buy one.
Possibly the worst art in relation to the theme of any pinball machine I can think of
I agree it plays decent though
Quoted from PW79:I am not ordering Munsters because I don't like pinball
Ha
Wont know till I play a premium
I sorta want to order something now. My 40th is nearing. If I want a game to arrive by then I only have a few days to decide. But Munsters premium wont be out by then.
Paralysis by analysis
Go with your gut Curly.
Don’t make it AFMr imo though
As great as it is, mine is gone I don’t regret it one bit
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Just curious as JJP has recommended Wizards Mist N Shine for years. Is that considered a safe spray wax to use on playfields regardless of manufacturer?
Well you see how their PFs hold up Panzer
I’d be hitting it with pure carnuna wax and throwing the other garbage away
Quoted from pinnyheadhead:Why is it that a bunch of folks who complain the most, because the care and want pinball to succeed, haven’t bought a new game in 5+ years?
Because we have a bunch of whiny crybaby D bags here? Yep, that simple
Quoted from NeilMcRae:(despite 6 hours plus of video of me playing it linked at the start of this thread )
At least it took you 6 hours of playing it to figure out it sucks in your opinion!
Neil is def not one of the "DB's" i was talking about. His opinion concerns me. I'm all for people giving their opinions except for the "thread bombers" that don't buy pins and have no intention of buying pins and weigh in with ignorant, smug, stupid comments non stop in EVERY thread.
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this game, just like i did with BM66 from day one.
And I'll have faith that the code will evolve to greatness like it did with that pin.
If it doesn't, its not the end of the world.
Quoted from Squizz:tonycip
How are you enjoying the JJP Pirates?
I'm leaning towards one after watching a few streams.
Pro's
Con's
The theme sucks.
You can wait and buy one MUCH cheaper next year. Like every other JJP game.
In fact, it appears they are shutting down POTC production and moving on at TPF IF Jack is telling the truth this time and will actually announce and ship a game this year. LOL
Wait for Wonka or Toy Story
Quoted from tonycip:Your name tonyCip now !! That's your opinion. But I think He was asking for mine
You Mad Bro? Did Jack piss in your corn flakes?
Don't get all butt hurt for someone else putting out an "opinion" TCip
He got mine whether he wanted it or not. That's how it works around here 
Jack keeps pissing in his own corn flakes. His lost sales aren't my problem.
Quoted from Yelobird:Might be true and everyone has their own opinion on what theme means to them but to Me what Eric and JJP did with POTC is at a level beyond any game that has come out or forecasted to be released. This game is that rare creation that you don't have to be sold on just one key element. (code, art, theme, layout, fun, toys, etc.) They nailed Every check box of a perfect pinball machine in my book. Love Munsters and it checks several boxes but not kidding myself some boxes were missed but others like art/theme carry the game. I wouldn't fanboy any OEM but this one is in a league all on its own. My Opinion.
Eric and Keith did a fantastic job with POTC, just like Lawlor did in some ways with DI.
I get why you guys like POTC, its just not gonna sell beyond a small niche group because of the theme. Simple as that. But if you like it, that's all that matters.
Quoted from Skyemont:Gary shut your mouth!!
Jack better start listening to Gary!
Quoted from Lamprey:I don't have a dog in this race, but I'm curious why you think the POTC theme only appeals to a niche group?
POTC is a pretty huge intellectual property in it's own right. I understand if it doesn't resonate with you on a personal level. But, it seems like it would have as broad of an appeal as any theme out there.
I can see not wanting to spend $8500 (Standard Edition) or more on a game. But, as themes go POTC seems like a solid choice to me.
The movies were AWFUL after the first one. If they did this after movie #1, like Stern did, it would have sold better. The JJP rollout was pathetic. So many lost sales by butchering the announcement and delayed shipping again.
Johnny Depp sucks. Which is why i initially bought into the initial CE excitement.
We are about to find out just how bad these last themes were in comparison to Toy Story and Wonka.
I predict JJP will have HUGE sales of those pins just based on theme alone. IF they don't F up the rollout again. Announce the game, have it on the line and ship the F er's.
Collect the $$$$ and ship, not that hard!
Quoted from wesman:I just can't get into POTC for some reason.... Maybe it's that flat shot straight up the middle into a dark abyss that loses me, or a lack of licensed voices and such, but it's sadly my least favorite JJP. What gets you jazzed about it?
I thought POTC did really well with sales, compared to Dialed In anyway. I saw a video where Jack stated it had as many preorders in a month's time, compared to Dialed In's first four months. Something to that extent. What do you feel is garbage about the theme? I'm not super hip about the phone aspects, but this non licensed theme reminds me far more of the 90's glory days of whimsical themes and ideas, than anything since.
All those pre orders went down the toilet after all the delays, spinning disc, etc.
There is a group that will love POTC and DI for various reasons, i get it. JJP can't survive or compete with those numbers of sales on lesser themes.
The Woz trough is about empty.
Quoted from tonycip:I love it. this is the munsters thread and it's more interesting to talk about potc.
You guys brought it up. We are just passing time until we get ours!
And commenting on how Munsters will sell 5x what Potc does, so that's how its relevant.
Quoted from Squizz:Yes and no, JJP has quality and you can see where the money has been spent, while Stern gets cheaper and cheaper every year - $terns prices keep Rising and Rising!
I hope Wonka will be a home run too.
Ask yourself why Stern outsells JJP x 5
Some like DI and POTC. Most don’t.
As for “quality”, it depends on how you define it.
All I read about are problems out of the box
And one big route operator says his JJP pins were blown out at 12k plays. Sterns were rocking along at 25k
When I buy Wonka it won’t be because of “quality”, it’s theme and yes code depth. Which I like!
I hope they turn the corner
When you are paying for all that “quality” up front NIB it damn sure doesn’t translate when you go to sell a JJP pin
All of a sudden the “quality” ain’t so enticing is it
Now most $8k plus NIBs will take their beating for the most part..... Stern included, except for that low quality POS garbage box of lights called BM66
Hmmm, how did that one start out day one?
People were squealing like a bunch of stuck pigs
Quoted from Squizz:Hmm have you ever looked inside a jjp machine?
That's quality.
You don't play the "inside of the machine". That's kind of the whole point!
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Ford sells probably 100x as many cars as Ferrari. Does that make every Ford better than a Ferrari? No. Does that make Ferrari less successful than Ford? No.
JJP is targeting the high end pinball market, they don't have a pin in the Stern pro price range which is what generates a majority of sales for Stern. I don't see the logic in saying a JJP pin sucks all because Stern has sold more pins.
Everybody here KNOWS exactly what we are talking about with JJP and Stern. It's no secret how F ed up JJP has been with the rollouts and how inferior they are with "theme" and "artwork".
JJP can't physically make as many pins as Stern if they had to. They have too many temporary line workers and that is why you see so many issues with their Nib games out of the box. That's not "quality".
Is it heavy, hell yeah it is, i just moved 14 pins and WH20, Woz and AlienLE nearly killed me.
Now, when JJP rolls out Wonka, let's see how many Fords they can sell.
The idea of comparing it as a Ferrari and a Ford is the biggest pile of BS I've ever heard. You can get your $$$ back out of a Ferrari and then some. You are guaranteed to lose a bunch of $$$$$ on EVERY JJP pin.
Quoted from noob-a-tron:Damn who was the lucky bastard tapping that back in the day
Probably Grandpa munster
Quoted from Mike_J:I used to spend a lot of time at his restaurant down in the village when I lived in Manhattan.
He was a very nice man and a terrific basketball fan.
Yes he was Mike! I met him out in the LA summer basketball league in the late 80s
He was just chilling out in a folding chair at Loyola Marymount gym watching hoops and talking to anybody who came up
No idea he had a restaurant
Quoted from Thunderbird:Are you talking about Al Lewis?
Grandpa Munster Al. Cool dude
Quoted from iceman44:Grandpa Munster Al. Cool dude
JJP talk is over now Sky, you can stop trolling and instigating
I'll meet you over in the JJP thread
Quoted from bigd1979:Its great pin for the price imo.. had few hours on it today...really want pats next pin
Get ready for TPF then BigD
Btw, I don't see anybody blowing through Munsters and the wizard mode on this stream. It ain't that easy.
Except for that one freak who just crushed it.
Quoted from tonycip:you asked him twice. and someone asked me a question and your buddy Iceman answered for me, and told me to "shove it, that's not how it works around here".you have a short memory. you cant have it both ways bro.
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Woah woah Tcip, slow down, I don't think i told you to "shove it"!
I don't really care about what anybody thinks. Some people came into this Munsters thread trolling this pin and singing the praises and greatness of POTC. If you love it, great, the theme BLOWS for me and most people but it looks like a lot of fun to play. Wouldn't want to own it.
If people want to dish out the BS then they have to be able to take it. No right or wrong.
Bring on the hate, I don't care. I will deliver some of my own opinion right back. It's all good though.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Hopefully i can find one to play somewhere. I don't like lower playfields but the Munsters is probably the coolest one ever made so we will see. I definitely want to play and see a premium and i cant wait to see what people are saying about the lower playfields once the LE's start landing in people's homes.
I didn’t mind AC/DC at all. It was a nice break and you chose when you played it.
Munsters pro looks great to me. Fun game based on the streams I’ve seen, especially JD
I like different games and features though. That’s why I like GB!
Quoted from cooked71:Might be packed with goodies but it sucks. Hard to put a price on how much a game sucks.
So weve got $9k for Dialed In that I know sucks vs $9k Munsters LE that might or might not suck.
Yeah that's a no brainer. Go with your gut Cooked. Keep the LE and fuggetaboutit!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Yeah I'm coming to the same conclusion too.
Why play out the modes...and ESPECIALLY why hit the kitty shot before you have a ton of jackpots set up?
Makes no sense.
Just let kitty blink and blink again and don't risk going into ball three with no mulitpliers lit.
It's almost as if this game is overengineered to not be fun.
Watch the JD stream and you’ll understand how to play it from the dude that blew it up
Big points doesn’t equal big fun
Now if you are driven by that sort of thing then quit whining and play better
No excuses
Quoted from cjmjmm2006:The lower field was used. I have a short video that is not great quality. I'll upload it now.
Watching the streams some people were saying its used too much. I don't think so. Looks great!
Quoted from Spacemanratso09:After rewatching some of the streams on the different versions of the game,I kind of feel like a lot of the bashing on this game is just that,bashing for bashing’s sake.
And as usual, the drama queens that blow every little detail out of proportion.
We get our LE's soon enough to judge for ourselves. I've seen enough of the streams to KNOW i'm gonna like this pin a lot!
Quoted from Marcdaddy:In my opinion ( I've owned a Munsters Pro for 2 weeks ) it's very easy and feels like it lacks a sense of direction. I've completed the first Munater Madness on ball 1 more then 5 times then it's more of the same. In a bigger collection it might be fine but man if this is the only game you have you will be bored pretty quickly. I love the art,animations, sound effects and layout maybe sone new code could help.
You seem to be able to do what nobody else could do on the JD stream except for the one freak player!
I don't buy that its too easy. It didn't appear that way for some really good players.
I'm not sure I'd want to keep any pin long term in a 1-3 pin collection.
Quoted from PinMonk:I've been through Level 2 and into Level 3 now and there's almost no change. Very repetitive.
Per Dwight, you just don’t understand the nuances of each level
Quoted from tonycip:unfortunately stern is not good at finishing code once the game is done. you better be happy with it the way you get it . any updates are a bonus!
luckily not all pinball CO. work that way... It a Pirates life for me!
LOL...Do you know a guy named Lyman Sheets Tcip?
Quoted from tonycip:Ya ...wait are you saying hes gping to finish the munsters code?
But you said, "Stern is not good at finishing the code once the game is done"....that's why you are getting downvoted, because nobody agrees with that ridiculous general statement.
Quoted from JodyG:Ghostbusters owners would like to have a word with you.
It's still pretty damn good right now, BUT, I'm still waiting.......!
This is why the saying exists, "In Lyman we trust".
Quoted from Squizz:Lyman isnt doing the game, Dwight is
No shit. He said “Stern” in general. Not “Dwight”
Not that hard to understand
As for Dwight, it could be dicey
Quoted from Who-Dey:And a great thread ruined by a few people.
Same ole same ole Who Dey. You know the hater drill with Stern.
Just doesn't matter, some people just can't find satisfaction with their own pins and want to take it out on the success of Stern.
My biggest dilemma right now is "Sheex" or "My pillow Giza Dream Sheets"? Sheet war commercials driving me crazy. Mikey the My pillow man is relentless.
Quoted from DCFAN:If you get hot when sleeping and have the means, try one of these:
https://www.sleepnumber.com/sn/en/All-Bedding/Mattress-PadsLayers/p/dualtemp3?CASLID=120050930000002058&CATRK=SPFID-1&CAAGID=13866932364&CATCI=kwd-25769716016&CAPCID=315073860890&CADevice=m&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8fnjrrLJ4AIVgiSGCh1JogvPEAAYASACEgI1XPD_BwE
That looks pretty good DC! Never seen those from Sleep number. Will have to give it a shot.
The Mypillow didn't work for me Who Dey.
I've got to find some quality hotel pillows! Somebody said Costco has some good ones.
Quoted from bigd1979:A bed ? Or the topper and pillows? I need to do something bc my back is killing me most days. Sorry for the off topic stuff. I hope to have my munsters this week but who knows... the dam delay at stern really screwed me lol.
If anybody had their LE's we'd be posting pics. Coming soon enough!
I'd try that topper first i think.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Get the mypillow premium and use their size chart so you know which one to buy.
I think i must have gotten the small crapper and i have a big head! My wife found em somewhere.
Pad and pillow
Further OT, DC, its a big night tomorrow, Carolina and Duke, tickets going for more that Super bowl prices!
Quoted from JoeJet:For those saying they want a "Hotel pillow" I felt the same...so I just bought some. Open the pillow case and Google the manufacturer...I have the same awesome Pacific coast (Pacificcoast.com) pillows that many of the good hotels have.
Thumbs up! Pillows ordered!
Quoted from Concretehardt:How about a My Pillow themed pinball machine.. every time you hit any switch a my pillow commercial could play on the LCD
[quoted image]
Homepin a good fit?
Quoted from Rarehero:Played Munsters LE today, left with a good impression. It’s definitely a fun location game - you can go up to it with little knowledge & just have fun and get a bunch of things going. Even tho I don’t like lockbar button rules, you can relatively ignore it and still have fun. Great lighting FX, great shaker integration, and really liked the lower playfield. Multiball down there is really cool. I have to say, despite my feeling about Stern QC & testing, the game “feels” really good. Shots felt good, flippers felt good, ramps and toys felt good. This is definitely the first Stern Spike game to leave me with this impression. I’ll definitely keep my eyes open for a used Premium down the road.
First time in years I've agreed with anything RH has said. That's a bit unnerving as i have my LE coming soon!
Quoted from Wotto:Open PF but deep was referring to BM66.
Not the other games mentioned.
Iron Maiden by the way
Damn dude, 15 yrs on Pinside! Welcome back
Quoted from Bublehead:I think I am going to look for a HUO LE when somebody has determined that it is too shallow for long term home staying power, is not the greatest lower pf ever made in a pinball machine, is not the greatest Borg game ever made, are too worried Dwight will get sidetracked updating GB before he gets back to Munsters, and has finally decided the image of the wrestle reject gold legs grating on their retinas like screaming agony has got to go...
Then I will put it next to my MBrLE, perform some cult ordained illegal Satanic marriage of a CGC/Stern match made in Hell, and let my guests fight it out on which is the nicest machine. And when CGC announces remake #4 as TAF... I will complete the unholy trinity. Only Elvira could screw this up for me.
You are cracking me up Bubblehead
Quoted from mnpinball:Either you’re moving to the left or he’s moving to the right
LOL!
I'm pretty sure it's neither one of those.
Getting my LE this week
Quoted from PinMonk:You're twisting it as well. If we're only doing the top veneer, Stern only has to do half what CPR is doing (and I'm sure Stern gets a much better deal from the mill with their volume) to get the same hardness, so the cost per blank could be CPR quality at Stern for less than $30/blank. For an LE that costs $9,000 retail or an SLE that cost $15,000 DIRECT to Stern (they got all of it with no middleman), it's not too much to ask.
Why don't you start your own pinball company dude. Maybe you can do it F ing better. All you do is bitch and complain about this or that!
You route games for your boss and he keeps buying Stern pins
Quoted from Banker:I have owned every stern produced since 2001, along with many others . It’s sad that they choose not to spend ( with
their buying power) $75 per pin to claim a great quality product. This is a conversation I have had several years ago
with them. Greed has taken the place of pride in what you produce. Sad.
Why is it sad Banker? You of all people should understand profit versus loss. Look at JJP floundering in red ink. Hopefully they turn it around with some blockbusters.
$12 x 12,000 PF's is $144,000.
Is the Stern LE train pulling into the station? Sure it is. Maybe they see it, maybe they don't. But they KNOW their business and they will have to adjust to market trends.
If too many people think they are getting shafted by the LE's and sales go down, they have to change.
A PF that has a few more dimples. WTF, "COME ON MAN!"
Quoted from drained:Wait for the CPR remake PFs then swap that dimply ass out.. maybe by then it will be "smoothed out" I only can tell when the game is off tho.
Exactly, quit the crybaby whining. You CAN'T wear out a PF in HUO! If you can, CPR it. Done.
Quoted from Lawnboy:Only about 10 games in on the LE but loving it so far.
Congrats! What is that pin dolly you have there?
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