Officially in a holding pattern until this reveal. One spot empty and this seems like it could be a good one.
Officially in a holding pattern until this reveal. One spot empty and this seems like it could be a good one.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
They should totally Vault that with the 80s animation license and revamped Code.
G1 Transformers would easily be my favorite theme of all time. I was in 6th grade when they came out and all my friends and I couldn’t wait for 11am on Sunday mornings (if I remember correctly) when the new episode came on.
I still have piles of old Transformer toys that my kids can’t wait to get a hold of.
Michael Bay sucks.
It's surprising that they're will be a lower playfield, but the art doesn't accommodate it, like AC/DC. They'll need 2 pretty different playfield art packages, it seems.
Sounds good to me.
I personally hate MB sounds/rules, so to me it's a big plus.
Quoted from mnpinball:
Might as well snooze this thread for awhile. Enjoy the games you have, enjoy your friends and family for Christmas. Enjoy those leaked cell phone pics, that’s all you get for awhile from the overseas leak. Not gonna announce a game while others are selling briskly and dealers are trying to sell in stock product for the holidays.
Just be happy knowing that pros are on the line for overseas container shipments.
Stern has got a good schedule going, as in past releases.
1. Production begins for Europe Pro sales.
2. Containers get loaded for the slow boat.
3. USA market Pros get on the line.
4. Teaser vid.
6. 24-48 hours later press release and pics.
7. Live video of massive amount of cabinets and games built in the line.
8. Games ship to people within days.
9. People lose their shit because of the quick build-to-shipping timeline and Pinside goes apeshit.
Seems to be the recent trend. Love it.
I was hoping for a Christmas miracle, but instead, got...
I look at my topics list and there’s 34 new replies to Munsters, so I click in anticipation....
Now this pic with a guys ass circled confirms it! Yes!
Quoted from Zablon:
It's not 'not interested' it's not 'hyped'. Of course I'm excited to see what they do, but as yet..not a lot to get excited aboot unless you're a big Munsters fan.
I thought "Big Munsters fan" was and oxymoron, but there are a lot of people excited about this theme. It was slightly before my time, so I knew it in reruns, but it's not a "dream theme" like Ghostbusters for me, and we know how that turned out.
Quoted from Budman:
What is a “ turn around/ flip up ramp” that is in the Munsters game description ? Sounds fun but I am not familiar with it. Is there something similar on a recent game?
I'm guessing this is similar to the right ramp in Wheel Of Fortune. In that, you need to hit 3 drop targets in order to expose the shot. It's pretty cool.
If I'm wrong, oh well.
I understand these hype thread posts are always fast and furious, but are people really excited with The Munsters as a THEME or just the PIN itself?
Quoted from Crile1:
Totally agree. Can't seem to understand the amount of hype for this game given the lackluster theme. Maybe it's just me, but the Munsters was just "meh". Funny concept, but got old quick. I guess the desire for a new game is just high. But really can't expect anything earth shattering from Stern. It will be a decent game, but I expect it to be mid level in the "wow" factor.
Quoted from Skyemont:
I have to agree!
Yeah, I was going to wait wait wait, but honestly they're all very similar, and Munsters will be the same.
Decided to pull the trigger on HUO Dialed In LE for a bit of a different feel. I had Iron Maiden Pro and LOVED it, but when I'd go to a different pin, like AC/DC, holy hell it was tough. Maiden shots are really forgiving and too much IM hurt my playing.
One Stern that I really wish I had back is TWD, since the rules and features are SO good. Hard to top that in my book (except the art is easy to top).
Quoted from Tranquilize:
I think the b&w will surprise everyone if true. Think Centaur. The game will look so cool! It will also reflect the era better. I'm out either way, but I'm excited about the possibility of b&w the most.
I'd be surprised if there was gold-plated armor with a premium like the rendering. Doesn't add up.
Quoted from stpcore:
I would also assume that a good portion of Beattles owners are not adding this game to their Pinside collection. This game crossed into another target market that most likely has no idea what Pinside is.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Munsters reveal. I hope we get a little something between now and CES. 2019 looks to be starting off hot for Stern.
True. We love to overanalyze things. And if there isn't enough data, let's speculate the crap out of it!
I'm still amazed that so many LOVE The Munsters theme. I guess it's a fairly good "value" license for Stern. Not too expensive while retaining some good appeal.
Quoted from stpcore:
I agree. If you were to ask me a year ago what my top 25 themes would have been Munsters would not have been anywhere close to making that list. That said I think it is a fun addition to the other spooky themed offerings that are currently shipping (Monster Bash, Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle). Now I'm excited and plan on purchasing a Munsters after seeing how it plays. The Munsters as a theme has become more desireable to me as I anticipate its release.
Yeah I admit. I'm going to look at it. The hype seeps in through osmosis over time.
Quoted from mnpinball:
Kept quiet far too long so it’s time to hype it up a day before the reveal. My dream theme.
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Quoted from Yoko2una:
I think it's awesome they're taking an artistic "risk" here. If you don't like the B&W Premium, guess what, you're actually not obligated to buy one! And you know once all LE's are shipped, they'll release a color Premium or maybe Vault one down the road.
I personally hope the B&W PF looks as nice as the cabinet and then a lot of people buy it... and then because all the anti-B&W people won't ever own one, that I can scoop up a B&W Premium on the cheapy in the 2nd hand market.
LE will have a large number and be full color...
Initial premium Black and White. Will sell well to most.
Pros full color.
***LEs sell out because people want all features AND color.*** Max profit. Ensures sellout, unlike Deadpool.
Premium release with LE full-color playfield.
I have zero idea this is correct but just wanted to add to the pure speculation of this thread.
Quoted from frolic:
In the end, more buzz will be generated on Pinside than any other place, including CES.
I'd actually be curious how much money goes into Stern being at CES, and what that generates for them and compare that against Pinside (that costs them zero) and the sales generated here.
It costs a shit-ton of $$$ to be an exhibitor on a main floor of a trade show.
Floor space, location, custom booth, Union Workers to assemble/tear down that booth, storage of that booth, lodging/airfare/wine/dine. Lots of $$$.
I don't mind the playfield in B&W, since the inserts are color.
I DO wish the Translate was color.
Looks great. The sounds remind why I haven't watched The Munsters in 34 years, though.
Quoted from jeffgoldstein2:
I’d be afraid that it’s going to play similar to the family guy lower playfield which was not satisfying at all in my opinion.
My kids LOVE "mini pinball" play fields. They'll eat it up.
I don't mind the Family Guy / Shrek playfield but you're right. There aren't any satisfying shots. Mostly b/c the ball is too small to have weight or "feel". If you watch the gameplay in the stream, even the mini flippers flip "fast". It's like watching an old video of Babe Ruth running the bases.
Quoted from DCFAN:
Good point. The LE/Premium will rise or fall on whether the lower playfield is fun/rewarding to play.
I think it was smart to put a multi-ball in the lower playfield. Looks like if you complete all shots, you get a mini multi-ball. Makes the playfield a lot more engaging.
I really wish the Premium playfield was color. Maybe Grandpa's basement could've been black and white only.
There's really no reason to make Franchi's awesome art look dull.
Quoted from Rarehero:
It doesn’t look dull at all. It’s extremely sharp. And if you look at the Color versions, they sorta look like he did it in B/W first then colored it to look like colorized B/W film.
I'm not saying blurry. I'm saying Black and White is duller than Color. If you want to watch 4K TV in black and white, be my guest.
The LE and Pro playfield are vibrant.
I have to say, this photo makes me REALLY like the Premium the best. I hate everything about the LE Cabinet. Everything.
Quoted from cooked71:
Strong words. Was just thinking the same thing except about the Premium.
I mean really, it’s freakin pinball art - how can you “hate” everything about a pinball cabinet art package?
Oh, I get it now, have you had bad exeriences with caskets?
Gold accents from the earlier leaked photos look classy. This final version just looks busy to me. Lots of stuff doesn't mean better to me.
Quoted from Metaluna5:
You're very welcome. Glad you like it. Took a loooong time and many sleepless night to create. Lots of love went into it, as did Borg, who wore himself out into a bad illness that took him out for nearly 2 months. Happy Flipping!
They look fantastic.
Metaluna5 any challenges in creating B&W? Did you know you were doing that ahead of time or was that a last minute, game-time decision?
I'd grow a ponytail and die my hair blue to get a Munsters Premium but DAMMIT someone beat me to it.
Quoted from Captainhook:
Another issue I noticed today while playing the pro at Game Exchange. I was having a good game and then all of a sudden the whole machine completely blacked out? Then booted itself back up. Node board problem? I don't think I'll be buying these new Spike system games till they figure these node Boards out!
While there’s truth to this, I’d rather be a pinball distributor than have a pinball (video) podcast. Gotta pursue a dream and earn some coin.
He can still do reviews, just tweak them to “who this game is best for” rather than grading it, IMO.
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:
He's not talking about parts. He's talking about labour. Stern's labour expense per machine is a significant cost compared to the relatively cheap Chinese parts used in each machine. Labour costs are why many manufacturing jobs have left the English (and other) speaking world over the last decade and gone to Asia.
He's also saying it's not as much as you think. Especially on a Spike game.
There's lots of talk out there that the net cost to Stern on an LE is $2500-3500 max, even with labor in the US.
Quoted from Bublehead:
I think the Munsters as a show could be summed up by contrasting it to it’s rival, The Addams Family, and I will not do that here but to say, this is like a James Lipton question on Inside the Actors Studio interviews... “which are you, Munsters or Addams Family?” Because that is pretty much how people fall, you are either in one creepy campy camp or the other, and with Munsters, the comedy was situational based usually on Herman and Grandpa’s shinanigans, with Lily and Marilyn providing “adult” and “normal” supervision, respectively. Much of the humor is based on how clueless the Munsters are to how scary they come off to normal people, and they have the perfect foil in Marilyn, their niece, who is normal, but just as clueless on the scary aspects, so she constantly fuels the confusion by bringing home normal guys to meet the family, who are always scared off when they see Herman, Granpa, Eddie, and/or Lily. Add different “situations” to this mix every week and you get The Munsters. Now you just need to watch the show, play the pin, and enjoy.
These thoughts are deeper than The Munsters code.
Quoted from bigd1979:
U own ft and fh ... 2 of the shallower pins ever made in wpc era. Guess what tho.... they are great fun pins. So munsters is much of the same but much deeper already than those and will be plenty of fun and that's what is important.
Of course, I not pay anywhere near $7500 each though. Nostalgia, condition and fun are all factors, but price is a BIG factor for me.
No one in the house really cares about The Munsters as a show/theme.
I tried Dialed In to kind of give that blend of classic B/W charm and fun with modern tech and code, but it just didn’t do it for me. It’s beautiful and shoots smooth and is PACKED with shots, but just didn’t click with me. It’s like it has no soul or something. I don’t think the code is all that deep for the price tag, honestly.
Quoted from bigd1979:
What's 7500? Pros are available shipped to your door for mid 5 k with a warranty. Not a bad deal this day in age . Most wpc pins are nearing 4-5,k now and won't be brand new shipped to your door. Munsters is allready a huge seller for good reason and i think it will b one sterns best sellers eventually. I've never seen a munsters episode (way before my time) but i like what stern did with it as it feels like a wpc type throwback to me with quirky theme with humor and not so complicated ruleset.
I wouldn’t consider a Munsters Pro. It was designed with the most complete mini playfield ever. It has targets, ramps AND multiball. The pin has multiple flipper buttons to play on both levels at the same time. It has an awesome, multilevel, multiple playfield skill shot too. I mean, that’s damn impressive as hell for a mini-playfield.
It’s not that I hate Pros. Maiden Pro is awesome. The Premium mechs don’t add much and have issues. MET is another solid Pro. But for Munsters, you’re removing the coolest part of the game. Borg designs full games. Stern then strips mechs out to get to pro level.
I had a Shrek once and the family LOVED Mini Pinball. If I got a Munsters without the lower playfield, there’d be no point.
Quoted from Rarehero:
I’m dying, this is some next level trolling or something....
Great Borg games: Metallica, Tron, Iron Man, many would say TWD. F*cking X-Men!?!? I mean it’s not as bad as GB, but that’s some bottom of the barrel action as far as Sterns go. I’m dying at the thought of someone willingly playing that game still & listening to Shittybeast’s horrible voice.
People are getting caught up in X-Men LE lately as though it's a classic. It's really a cool theme packed with toys at it's current price, but it's not a classic. It's good value for sure though. Definitely has some satisfying shots. Code is middle of the road. Sounds are good to me, but 2 of them are GOD AWFUL.
I would say X-Men LE falls about here in recent Stern Borg games....
I'm taking into account the entire package. Like "what would I own in order". After IM, all are kind of interchangeable to me.
Don't know where Munsters sits as I haven't played it.
Quoted from Rarehero:
Dang, I already forgot about GOTG...yeah, that might be worse than X-Men lol...but, it doesn't have a horrible toy that if not mounted an exact certain way to the millimeter totally ruins the game. I'd put Avatar way up...after IM. It's essentially the same type of game style as Tron and IM. One ramp drops it down a bit, but it's very fun and the rules are a bit better than IM, actually.
That's a good point. I had the Wolverine captive ball mod installed since day 1 so I never played my machine with the oversized behemoth in it. Still, spend $100-$150 and you're good.
Quoted from snaroff:
Great post. Same is true for Beatles...a game almost universally rejected by Pinside. Great looking, simple rules, accessible theme for oldsters. Yes, more richly priced than Munsters.
There has always been a tension between pins focused on public play vs home use. Having the pendulum swing a bit is natural...I love the simplicity of Beatles because it's a challenging game when setup properly for home use. Look forward to getting Munsters...
I've been told by friends that The Beatles is a really fun pin, but you're talking a ridiculous price point for the game it is. That's different. At least Munsters is in line.
Make Beatles $5K-$6K new and it's totally different story. I know they won't, I'm just saying.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:
Here's what you don't understand: "New players" doesn't mean "young players."
People with kids here are OBSESSED with the idea that Stern should base their business model around "attracting kids," which is an absolutely pointless exercise in 2019. Kids don't play pinball, kids don't buy pinball, kids don't go to bars, kids don't do much besides go to school and play with their tech.
You know who does go out to bars? 20 and 30 somethings. And a simple, "shallow" game like Munsters with a retro theme is a perfectly valid way to get "new players" like them into pinball.
If that’s true, why use an obscure theme from 1964 to attract 20-30 somethings? Shit their parents barely remember The Munsters.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:
I'd like to add a bit since I've put another dozen games in on it.
You know what's fun?
Scoring big points!
You knows what's not fun?
Not scoring big points!
Munsters is bugging me a bit because the entire game bases itself on the principle of choosing to not score points in the hope of scoring more points later. It's inherently not fun.
I've heard this compared to say Jackbot or Batman66, but that's way off. There's plenty of other chances to score big points in those games that don't rely on "delayed gratification. And, you aren't flying blind in those games - you know what the jackpot value is and weigh whether or not you should accept or delay. Munsters is a lot of guesswork.
Perhaps this could be addressed in a future code rev. The Super Jackpot in Munsters is the only way currently to really score huge points and I think the way it's being handled is inherently not fun.
"Not as fun as Jack*Bot" is not very fun.
Quoted from luvthatapex2:
Interesting. I read Waison and team put a huge update on Wrestlemania (1.25 and later 1.33/1.35).
Are there serious bugs from this last update nearly 3 years ago? If its broken have you sent examples to Stern? If so, press on and remind them! There is no excuse to leave a game broken. They have more programmers now and less reason to excuse broken code.
Sorry for going off topic.
Was playing last night and this is where I was...
1 Finished US Championship (win 3 individual matches, then win US Champ match), this also lights extra ball
2 Finished Tag Team Championship (win 1 Tag Team match, then win the Tag Team Title Match)
3 Royal Rumble Qualified. Shooting left shot (the saucer) which also is the Intercontinental Belt Match
Is point #3 correct? The only strange thing is it says "shoot the left shot" but the shot isn't lit. The left shot is the saucer though, NOT the top left loop.
Once that begins, Jackpots "move" throughout the Playfield. If you hit enough, presumably you light the super (I assume the pin shot) and win the IC title?
Back to your regularly scheduled Munsters hype...
Man, I really want a GOT, but Dwight code has me worried. Munsters code seems so uninspired to me.
And when I see "blah blah blah Jackpot Grows" on a DMD it gives me shivers back to my Ghostbusters LE days: Terror Dog Value Grows, River of Slime Value Grows, etc.
It reminds me of how bad that pin is. Hope Munsters gets some future code love unlike GB.
Let’s get this straight. Casper is so superior to My Pillow it’s not even funny.
Don’t buy your pillows from a dude with a dyed mustache, people.
Quoted from Who-Dey:
These are fantastic pillows Guinness. I do know people that dont like them but i know lots of people that wouldn't take anything for theirs and I'm one of those people. I have serious spine problems from getting hit by a car on my motorcycle and the Mypillow has been a blessing for me. I literally couldn't find any pillow that i liked and i went through a bunch of them and finally the Mypillow was the answer. I love mine.
I have one and for a stomach sleeper, it's probably the worst pillow I've ever had. Like sleeping on a bag of packing peanuts.
Quoted from GamerRick:
He looks like a 70’s porn actor.
Let's hope it's just "looks like".
Quoted from Magicchiz:
So if you look at the now photo. It just makes sence to go black with gold highlights. Saves ya a whole bunch of $.
What do you expect for a machine that costs $2500 to make?
"Inspired by the original series, the half-hour single-camera The Munsters, now in development, follows members of an offbeat family who are determined to stay true to themselves but struggle to fit in in hipster Brooklyn."
Quoted from PinMonk:
Yeah, it's gonna be a problem, but everyone knew there would be something like this when he became a distributor. You can't be honest about the duds when you're simultaneously trying to sell said duds. He was at least half the show, and reading other people's opinions is not the same - it comes off poorly, and it's impossible to care about the ratings of these invisible "others" as a result.
It's true, but what does SDTM bring in for $$$? Better to be a distributor.
Of course, this would be solved if pinball makers just consistently made better games.
Quoted from snaroff:
Exactly. I shouldn't have to "study" Dwight's video to "learn" the subtleties of the game. Pinball is a "language of lights", which is about communication. That's one of the things that makes LOTR brilliant...you always know what to do and (as a result) feel gratified when you achieve certain objectives. When my heavy hitter friends were playing Munsters this weekend, we were fairly clueless about what each of us were doing to result in points. As a result, you just take pride in lighting the modes (which is easy). Important to note that they are pretty accomplished tournament players (i.e. scoring/rule "nerds"). I guess they need to watch Dwight's video
I'm not saying I disagree, but counterpoint to this The Simpsons. That's one of the most complex rulesets ever, yet I have no idea what the hell I'm doing, really aside from basic modes, multi balls and hurry ups (because they're so incessant). Lots to have to read up on.
I want a GOT, but Dwight's "Ghostbuster-eque" rules worry me.
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:
So KISS is a good machine now? It's been off my radar for so long I forgot about it
I've had MET Premium, KISS LE, Maiden Pro and now AC/DC Luci.
Of them all, I'd rank them...
I wanted to throw AC/DC off a cliff day 1, but then I realized I was just "spoiled" with Maiden. AC/DC is tough and just so much fun. Makes you a better player.
Maiden is a super forgiving shooter. Every game was a good length and I'd get pretty far, but all games started to be the same. If you like shooting loops, Maiden is the best. Code is excellent for it as well.
Met is a notch above. There's a lot more ways to attack the machine, then for CIU modes, you have to play the way the machine tells you. (Still there is a lot of bashing to get to CIU modes).
Kiss. Ah, I love Kiss the band. Have my tix for this summer. The game shoots ok (Aerosmith copy) but there are some things that bug me. The scoop is WAY too tight (cliffy makes it worse too). The Demon lock sucks when it malfunctions. Just a big pain which for me would work sometimes and sometimes wouldn't. Overall, I don't think Kiss is all that interesting to play though. It's cool that wizard modes are all achievable with the new code. I reached them all several times. Maybe that's when it really lost its appeal. The new code REALLY made it easier for me and I didn't necessarily want that.
I wouldn’t accept that. That playfield should’ve been a factory second. QC miss.
I’m sure you didn’t pay a factory second price.
If it follows the Ghostbusters path, you'll need to go to your distributor with extensive photos. They'll then have to go to Stern. Stern will then have to evaluate and come back with a decision.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Personally I think that is due to Stern minimally coding their upper / lower playfields which is a bummer. Why? They can't have the rules vary that much between pro and premium / LE games. Well they probably could but usually don't spend the time to do so. ACDC premium / LE is a good example. The lower playfield is used for a couple modes, is never used in multiball modes and has only a few rules coded for it. Same goes for the upper playfield in Aerosmith premium / LE. Munsters premium / LE appears to have more coded for it thankfully then past Stern mini playfields.
Panz is right. From a programming standpoint, you need some logical stopping points. We're all kind of getting taken advantage of with that.
Quoted from ViolinSteve:
YEAH, what he said. Folks that don't want dimples can buy a playfield protector... and then go sit on their couch with plastic cushion covers. Geez, play and have fun.
Dimples are fine, but isn't the insert clear chipping near Herman's head?
I have like 6 dimples on my 2008 TSPP party. Thinking about adding a protector. New Sterns sure show dimples more. Maybe I'm just missing them on all my older machines.
Quoted from Flipper-airbrush:
My Munsters pro airbrush edition.
With airbrush body parts
Airbrush display cover
Airbrush coin door
And mirror sheets
Only the shooter must airbrush next week, and a new trim for the Backbox
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