Easy to say when you get sent every leak in pinball.

Just curious who posted on FB?

OK

Got to say the LE cab and art looks cool.

Premium is also really nice - more in line with what we are seeing from Stern now. LE is a bit out of left field.
Powder coated armour on Premium? I don't believe it lol.

By the looks of it you guys need to get a couple of pins in the wreck room.

I’m thinking you need to go a lot further back than that.

Since when does imaginary hype need to be clarified on Pinside?

If it is TPF, thats a big gap between games - DP was late August. That’s over 6 months.

Whysnow is just scared because he won’t know how to set it up.

Playfield is wide open though.

I don’t think you can say Stern started the resurgence. They were the only ones left when it did start, but they didn’t start it.

I thought the Pinside Logic is that JJP are responsible for nothing else but high prices?

Wow. Stern keep coming up with more unique and obscure ways of leaking upcoming releases. Photos of photos on cellphones is so last week. Next some Beatles owner will flick the switch on his new game and the Munsters soundtrack will play instead of Taxman.

Grow some balls man!

Seems they’ve changed to just signing the aprons now.

The B&W casket art originally leaked with “real” shiny brass trim AND brass door would be incredible. Sadly I think the chance of either shiny brass trim or a brass door got lost in the first round of Munsters budget meetings. Gold speckle trim is about all you can hope for.

Where did all this IMDN hate come from recently? Was the darling child for a while.

Oh, sorry, just remembered what forum I’m on.

Personally I think it’s in Sterns top 5 - and that’s some tough competition.

Mine has none of those issues, but doesn’t get a huge amount of play, and not competition. Would be pissed also if I did though.

Great, thanks lol

Exactly. The pinball collectors who really wanted Beatles have already been “looked after” by their distributors and bought a Diamond or Platinum.

That leaves a lot of Golds to sell to these mysterious non-pinball Beatles fans that still want to pay $8k for a toy. That requires a completely different marketing and distribution chanel. I’m not sure Sterns existing distributors are capable of reaching these mysterious buyers. Is the in house Stern marketing team capable? Maybe Kapow?

Unless they slash the price the remaining Beatles will be a slooooow burn.

Let’s face it, at $13500 anyone buying Beatles Gold in our country has more money than they know what to do with.

Uh oh, get ready for an OLDPINGUY GIF onslaught.

I blame you PinMonk

+1. Easily.

These sort of comments pop up regularly in Australia and it’s all bulsh*t IMO. The price difference between importing a game direct from the US and buying from our (very good) Stern distributor is negligible. For a Aud$2-300 I’d much prefer to deal with the local guys.

And there’s no way Stern are going to supply the Australian market direct for so many reasons.

If the PF is B&W it would have to be drawn from scratch as B&W to work. Who knows, hard to judge since we haven’t seen it. Could work, but it seems a bit niche and polarizing for Stern - especially for a Premium. Not sure if I believe it.

Lol, you’re right about the lack of effort.

“They’re creepy and they’re spooky...” - He didn’t even get the right song lyrics? Isn’t that from Addams Family?

Because the hype is approaching maximum i'm going to throw another conspiracy theory in the mix based on......f*ck all.

Munsters will launch with a B&W Premium and a gorgeous full colour LE and Pro. Everyone will go apeshit over the LE and it will sell out instantly (if it hasn't already). Just like they did with TWD on launch (insisting no premium), Stern will insist - "there is no other version of the premium - it's B&W or Pro for you non LE losers".

Everyone will be crying in their Weetbix (maybe Cherios for Americans).

3 weeks later Stern will release the best version of all 3 in an alternate full colour Premium.

Hype maximised, everyone happy.

Yeh he did. Im thinking its just promo art for events like CES - fits in with the flipper shaped desks. Look like a really cool stand design.

But then what if it was from Steve Ritchies new unlicensed game??? #startthenextSterngamerumour

Don’t worry Who-Dey , there’s a reason he has such a morbid and depressing Pinside user name.

Game looks fantastic - personally prefer the LE - it looks like an LE all the way. LE cab with B&W PF would have been nice, but all 3 versions look great.

Lower PF looks fun - has more in it than Jetsons and Supreme combined.

Can’t wait to play it.

I’m thinking the 2 sets of flipper buttons will allow for some cool modes with both upper and lower playing at once. FGY only has one set?

I love the LE art, but can see the appeal of the Premium also. Pro cant be faulted but is a little generic- like every other good Stern package recently (OK, now im looking for faults). A little bit torn between the LE and Premium, but I think the LE has it for me just because it's really unique.

I wonder if the original plan was to have the LE cab with the B&W playfield? That would be amazing also. Do you think theyd build one for me if I asked?

Anyway, spoilt for choice here. Only minor complaint on the LE is I wish they'd done the web siderails in the reverse colour - so all gold with black inserts, and gold lockdown to match. That would look freaking awesome. Might have to do that myself when I get it.

Strong words. Was just thinking the same thing except about the Premium.

I mean really, it’s freakin pinball art - how can you “hate” everything about a pinball cabinet art package?

Oh, I get it now, have you had bad exeriences with caskets?

The metallic gold trim would have been the icing on the cake - I wish it made it. Cost was obviously problem there.

Did someone say "World under glass"?

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Haven’t watched any streams yet. What is the left Medieval Madness shot for and where does it kick out? Does it kick in to the left loop, like a left side ball launch?

I heard Deeproot are working on this.

Joking aside, before the game was announced, I was also hoping for a mini PF where the ball actually transitions from one PF to another - not these fake lower PF’s that already have the ball permanently down there. It’s funny they always do it for upper PFs but not lower. I guess gravity and access are the reason they don’t.

Hope Bealtes is not the only time it gets used.

Wonder if that’s something they could code in as an option - main flipper buttons activate both flippers (when lower pf is in play). Can’t see why they couldn’t.

Guessing you have the right to cancel your order with no penalty, but other than that no compensation. Does it say subject to change?

Personally I buy LE’s because it’s my preferred version and it’s got all the extras I want anyway - custom rails, shaker, invisi, art blades, back glass and speakers. If I buy premium and add all this (assuming I could) I’d be almost at LE price anyway. Plus this version has the colour Pf. The whole limited collectible part is usually bullshit.

Having said that, I have found the depreciation on the LE is less than Premium simply because when I go to sell, the buyer can’t go to the dealer and buy the same edition NIB.

They still haven't received this? Wow. Not that we didn't predict it.....

And those who have a fetish for caskets.....

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/sex-love/article/20740921/the-six-feet-under-club-offers-sex-in-a-buried-coffin

(before clicking beware, some things cant be unread)

Even though I really don’t care about the extra 100, this reeks of a company milking a shrinking market with limited long term prospects for all its worth. Milk as much as you can from this cow today for tomorrow the cow will likely be dead. Too pessimistic?

And I think more an more feel this way. So why not just make 3 trim levels, none of which are limited?

Its become a game of how much you can push the "collectability" and therefore the extra margin.

Was such a seamless and well planned launch by Stern this time - probably best I’ve seen. Then something like this happens and we’re back to “make it up as we go along” style marketing of old.

I’m waiting for them to announce the extra 100 only go to people who make a video begging to get one.

Be cool if you could stand in that while playing your Munsters LE # 499.

Worst type of whining IMO.

And LOL, he goes on to say he’s ordering a Pro so has nothing to do with him anyway.

I bet they are a delicacy served raw in Japan.

Sorry to take this political, but.....

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It’s possible, but if you listen to Dwight’s interview on Head 2 Head, doesn’t sound likely with Munsters.

I listened to the interview before any gameplay reviews and I was a bit concerned he’s deliberately made it too shallow (for home use). It looks as though early gameplay reviews are confirming that.

Drops> stand ups > one big target = Stern “good cost cutting measure” of the month award.

Seems the code on Munsters is trying to copy Monster Bash? Haven’t spent much time on MB, but isn’t the first mini wizard easy and second hard? Also no ball save?

I think it’s fine to make a simple coded game, but it has to be clever code. You can’t just take a “shoot the flashing lights” approach and simply reduce the amount of flashing light shots to make it easier. Then rinse and repeat for the “harder” mode but with more of the same shots.

So many great games have simple code but it’s clever. Look at TNA - really couldn’t be simpler but it’s really clever. Medieval Madness, AFM, both simole code.

Maybe it’s a new Stern directive and listening to Stern people talk on podcasts over the past few months seems to confirm it - simpler more accessible games. Beatles, Deadpool, now Munsters. Bit of a worry IMO. Suits Stern because it frees up a lot of coding staff and therefore lowers costs, but for the home collector it’s not so good. I can get simple games by buying older games. I look to Stern for more depth and longevity.

And making simple but clever games is not easy. As far as I know there’s only one coder at Stern that’s proven he can accomplish that on a regular basis.

I’m also in on an LE, but if this falls flat on a code level, it’s the last I’ll preorder until I can play the game. I love the look of the layout, it’s borg. But if the code is lazy I’ll be disappointed.

Unless Lyman’s on code - then I’ll pre-order.

Yeh, that’s what concerns me also. And from memory Dwight’s interview on H2H he was specifically asked “like Star Trek” and replied no, the secondary levels on Munsters are just more of the same.

Not a complaint, I’m all for it. Just an observation about how they’ve copied MB. Sounds like the game needs a bit more difficulty so I won’t be turning it back on. I hate playing games on anything but default settings anyway.

"So I'll share it ad nauseum on a forum"

Haven’t seen this pic before -

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100% agree. There’s a lot of detail on that cab art that won’t be obvious until you see it in person.

Yelobird on fire.

Been burning the midnight flame in Grampa’s lab?

Little bit concerned by all this talk of boring and shallow code. Like many I’ve been weighing up MBr and Munsters. I ordered Munsters LE over MBr because MBr is “old” and shallow (by today’s standards). I’m a sucker for LE’s so I don’t have the chance to play it before committing (first world problems).

I like the idea of the lower pf (I happen to like them) and that’s a plus to Munsters over MBr. But if I was considering Munsters Pro vs MBr Classic, it would be MBr Classic all the way. Price between those 2 is similar in the US?

At least with MBr it’s a known classic. Plus it’s Lyman!!!!! Who knows how Munsters turns out, but I doubt much is going to change from the current code.

No.

I hope Lyman’s not on Elvira because I have no interest in that.....but that will make a lot of people very happy.

Edy and Lyman teaming up again would be a dream.....that combo alone would give Stern an instant hit. Superman 78 would be pretty cool with those 2.

Lol.

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So reading between the lines, you like it?

This is the only thing that bothers me about the code. I really really hope they revisit this down the track.

As it stands, level 1 and 2 modes are not really that different, and people are completing level one modes in their first few games. So realistically people are seeing most of the game in their first few games. That’s the worry.

I think this about sums it up.

Wow, that is sparse, even for a pro.

Edit: Having said that, AC/DC pro and SWpro would probably look the same.

Agree RR. Tbh, this thread is pretty balanced, with the exception of a couple that keep hammering home the same points.

The impression I get is Munsters looks phenomenal, shoots really well, has good theme integration and above all is fun. But the code is shallow and longevity in a home environment may be limited.

I’m mostly reading a bunch of honest thoughts. Not sure why some think it’s a thread full of haters. Both sides need to chill out and be a bit realistic. It’s not all roses nor is it all thorns.

If you want more coils, buy a Munsters Premium.

Or even better buy a Pro and then buy a few coils from Pinball Life:

https://www.pinballlife.com/090-5032-nd-flipper-coil-for-stern.html

090-5032-ND Flipper Coil For Stern

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$14.95

I could buy a Munsters Pro and 10 extra coils from Pinball Life for about $5650 - Bargain!!

Was a Monty Python knock off, so sort of original, sort of not.

He killed it. The others couldn’t get over 2m. Game looked like it played brutal. I think that’s the way to set this one up. Looks like fun.

And was Brian Edy designed, who’s currently working for Stern, so good things to come!!!

I reckon a lot of operators are putting ball save on. I like the way it was set up for the stream - tight tilt and default (no) ball save. Maybe Open the outlanes also.

Just curious, but what interactive toys are there on Monster Bash? There’s Drac on a track. What else? (That interacts with the ball, not a figurine?)

Those are just software though?

Hype is timeless.

He’s deliberately quoted the LE price to support his “it’s a ripoff” argument - even though he’s only played the Pro. Pro’s are AUD$8850. When you add in currency, shipping and tax it’s about the same as list price in the US.

Translation:

I'm drunk & no one wants to play Dracula now that Munsters is here.

I need to be talked down off the ledge....Ive got a deposit on an LE and I’m seriously thinking of bailing and buying Beatles Gold instead. In fact today I’m going to my distributors to play Beatles and decide.

Unlike some of the complaints, I love the look of this game - it’s pure Borg. I love the Le package. I like lower playfields. The whole game draws you in.

For me it’s purely code related. I know a game can improve with code, but listening to interviews and comments, this one sounds more or less complete - any changes will be mostly cosmetic.

I think I’ll just sit it out and wait for the premium to decide if the game has changed enough. I’m not a big fan of the black and white compared to the LE package but could live with it.

But then I can’t believe I’m considering a Beatles over this. I’m complaining about the simplicity of Munsters code, yet Beatles seems even more simple.

Haha. If you keep believing it will make it real.

Yeh, Ive been thinking that also. Or I could just wait for what’s next.

100% truth there.

I think I'm jumping off the LE hype train after this anyway. I hate stuffing around the distributor and taking an LE spot that others are queueing up to buy. I can pick up a premium at any time if it turns out to be a winner.

Speaking of solid states, I think Ive got your old Pharoah here - and yes, I could have bought a Munsters Pro and 2 Pharaoahs for the same price as a Munsters LE.

Might be packed with goodies but it sucks. Hard to put a price on how much a game sucks.

So weve got $9k for Dialed In that I know sucks vs $9k Munsters LE that might or might not suck.

Wow. Where do you get one of those?

Have to admit that mine is extremely tolerant and supportive given that she has absolutely no interest in the hobby. But suggesting I buy a new game?? Not in this lifetime.

On another note, just played Beatles and of course loved it. But I’m still not convinced I want to give up on Munsters Le just yet. Haven’t swapped for Beatles ATM - I’ll go and play Munsters again on the weekend.

Wow, already?? Some more pics??

From the photo it looks like the lockdown bar Is the regular "rough" black as on Pro/Premium, and the rails are gloss powder coat. Is that actually the case or is it just the camera angle?

Edi: can see from photos below its all the rough non powder coat.

How the hell do you hit this stand up?

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Great pics. Looks amazing. Plenty going on with that lower pf. Let’s hope it’s used!

Yes, for the loop. For some reason all I could see was a standup target.

That lower pf looks like it plays pretty well. Nothing like Stewie. Would play even better if it wasn’t upside down.

Oh, that’s disappointing. What a pity they’re both not black powder coat. Obviously didn’t fit the BOM budget.

Ha. Didn’t work then lol

OMG, I've seen a lot of off topic on Pinside, but never did I expect to open up the Munsters thread and see 2 pages of grown men talking about mattress's and pillows.

That would definitely be one for American Pinball.

It’s my pet hate. Give me almost any other metal finish but black crinkle.

Reminds me of the cheap garage storage shelves you get from discount hardware stores.

Is that some Iron Maiden “hate” I detect. I’m offended.