I need to play one soon. Does anyone know when they officially ship out to operators? Aren’t they usually first? I really like the look of the premium, but my wallet likes the pro

Never going to happen.

Did anyone stop buying JJP after the 20th limited edition of WOZ came out?

Domestic Pros supposedly the week of the 21st, the LEs the first week of Feb, then Premiums the first week of March. I have no idea why the gap is so big between the LE and the Premiums, but that's the official Stern schedule to dists.

Mark me down, if this happens. I just don't like putting 2k deposit down under a certain set of understanding...then they change it.
It's more principle to me, I don't do business like that. If it was 600 in the beginning..that would be my choice, but after I understand that theere was to be only 500? no way.
Call my dist Monday..tell him to put that 2k towards my MBR LE

It’s not for Stern. They are satisfying the distributors and of course you have the ones that won’t sell LEs right now but hold them back to sell at a higher price later.

The distribution network expands worldwide and this is what you get

Stern should have foreseen this! It’s their network!

For the COLLECTOR. Go back to the Transformers/AC/DC LE model of 2 different versions

Make a great title more COLLECTIBLE

I wouldn't be so confident. I bought 5 NIB Stern pins in the past 3 years, all LE's and I am seriously considering stopping buying them now if they pull this.

Would be TOTALLY different if Stern originally announced this increase before taking preorder deposits or prepays in my case. Then we all could have cried that they increased the edition size but to do it after taking peoples money is deceptive and I cannot support that. Hopefully someone that is an attorney will find an opportunity here.

I was at CES and was told to my face on the first day "Only 500, better get your order in!"

True, and very Interesting if they do that here.... I don’t mind at all the idea of 1,000 like CGC L.E’s

500 color, 500 B&W, "0" BS since the beginning

I don’t know.

I have close to 50 late model Stern machines and as long as the decals aren’t peeling and the play field isn’t ghosting on these new machines, I’ll keep buying.

Still posted on Sterns site... "Production limited to 500 machines"

any attorneys care to weigh in?

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Other than Transformers, you don't see many LEs sitting around unsold.

Stern added the 100 because of overwhelming demand.

If you cancel yours (as you should), there are lots of other Pinheads waiting to snatch it.

100% agree with that idea. With the potential of both Color and B&W Stern should think about that.... they still have time.

Guessing you have the right to cancel your order with no penalty, but other than that no compensation. Does it say subject to change?

Whether this is enough to make me cancel my LE purchase or not is NOT the point. It's a matter of following through on a sales agreement. Period. Just because it may be perceived as irrelevant by Stern or others in the big scheme of things, that does NOT make it okay. Or any less dishonorable.

If I can't trust Stern to honor the limit that they set, as well as promoted, on a "Limited Edition" model prior to my purchase, how can I trust them on any future sales promises? (yes - a rhetorical question)

Holy shit, you're looking for attorneys already. This should get good.

I emailed (as already stated) Stern. My hope, (not that it would make a difference) is that others who thought they had a understanding...would consider the same.

I'm sry to say...I agree.

"subject to adjustment" Totally agree with your statement

Ha Ha you know whats funny (not really) is the poor guy that paid the extra $150 for number 500...think it was listed as the last one..
Hurry up everybody! get 600 now. Shame on me..

Personally I buy LE’s because it’s my preferred version and it’s got all the extras I want anyway - custom rails, shaker, invisi, art blades, back glass and speakers. If I buy premium and add all this (assuming I could) I’d be almost at LE price anyway. Plus this version has the colour Pf. The whole limited collectible part is usually bullshit.

Having said that, I have found the depreciation on the LE is less than Premium simply because when I go to sell, the buyer can’t go to the dealer and buy the same edition NIB.

They should give that guy a free bowl of soup.

If they were too freaked out to increase a high-demand Iron Maiden LE from 500 to 666, I think 1000 is completely out of the question. But an AC/DC-like split LE run (BiBLE/LTBR) would be pretty cool, especially if the total was 666, because they're not doing 1313.

I initially heard 800 LE’s

When 500 were announced I did think that is quite low.

I think distributors requested more LE’s and so stern have increased it.
Still think there is way more demand than 600.

But yes it does set a president that LE’s are not so “Limited”.

I really like the premium, but I’m going to wait to purchase when I hear they are shipping out not having my money tied up for months on end..

The solution is to offer the color pf on the premium. I was surprised this wasn’t the case from the beginning.

I think the opposite, #500 it will be the owner of the last "REAL L.E." not the next 100 copies of the L.E’s

That’s why Stern should make them B&W with a badge "1 - 100"

Ding Ding

500 or even 600 really isn't really that "limited" in number. Think of all the other units produced in Pro's and premiums. It's lots of games total. It's more like trim levels on a car. The LE part is more about the way the game is gussied up rather than how many made in that edition. 500 is pretty size able number. 500 units of any pinball is actually quite a number of games.

We don't know that changing the number of LE's is true anyway. If it is and it makes a difference to you, ... change your order, cancel or do what you like.

Is there anything official from Stern saying the number of LEs will be increased to 600 or just Kaneda's rumour mill?

I would have had zero issue with this if they announced 600 at the beginning. But to change it after they have taken my money, I'm not happy about.

I requested my machine from my disty I typically buy from back in April of 2018 for an "Unnanounced machine" which was Munsters. I was told the Saturday before the Stern CES reveal they probably were not going to have enough to fulfill my order. Their list was already that long............. So I called around to find another one... Which I did, albeit more money... I'm sorry but if you were on the fence about this machine or any "Collectible/Limited Edition" and didn't pull the trigger immediately it is your loss.

Stern - Why call these "Limited Editions" if you are going to increase the edition size AFTER the reveal? Stern should just to an open order system for 3 months so someone who was on the fence can determine if they are truly interested...

I'm sure when I call tomorrow I will be able to get a refund and an apology from the poor disty who will hear the brunt from the few customers that care about this stuff...

Just more disappointment/anxiety when this should be an exciting moment to throw away +$10k on something that was planned out for almost a year...

My recommendation is to email Zach and politely discourage the making of more.

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Poor Zach.... LoL Probably one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

Or clean out your refrigerator. At least with one choice you'll have a outcome you want.

How does this compare to Pirates "Spinner Disc " aka Spinnergate scandal ?

Unlike the Spinnergate thing, this won't move sales negatively at all. Probably will increase them net net.

Correct. This scandal nets more sales if the scandal is true.

I wouldn't believe anything about this though until verified by Stern.

My 2 cents is do what you announced & documented to the public (no matter pinball, business or personal. Your word does matter on commitments). Stand behind what you say.

Hoping the podcast guy is wrong as this is all needless pinside posts.

I hope this change in number of units for LE is just noise.

I would use a cargument if I knew it wouldn’t get me moderated, but the “limited” in any offer from a company holds no value to anyone. Be it the collector, the seller, or the buyer. What makes something collectible, and worth more to ANYONE is how “available” it is. How high does the price of an LE need to go before someone sells it? Depends on how easy it is to get another one. Right now, the only argument the LE purchasers have is they were told they would be one of 500 units produced. A lawyer will tell Stern, then don’t call the next 100 LE’s “Limited Editions” and more than likely, if they up the number, they simply just won’t badge them as LE, just sell them with a different badge. This is not another LE, its a Limiited Color Premium Edition, 1 of 100. So the LCPE is not an LE and doesnt affect LE availability or exclusivity. Problem solved. Or is it? Lawyers will be happy, at least.

Did I say 500 LE's? No I think it was 600 yeah yeah that's the ticket yeah

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I couldn't care less if they make 600 vs 500, glad more people can own one. It won't change the value of it.

Going to report this on TWIP tomorrow, but since there is a lot of speculation right now - TWIP can confirm the number of LEs is now at 600.

They increased the SLE's in Batman66 so it is possible and really not a major issue but I think the bigger issue is if they offer colour premiums as the colour playfields are the true LE's with the cabinet.

I think they could of sold a crap load of premiums if there was a colour version as well as a B&W option

This is going to make some folks really upset. If Jeff is reporting it, the probability is high the number is now 600.

Since Stern increased the numbers produced on the Batman SLE, a seemingly far rarer & more ‘collectible’ example, do most feel it’s a big deal going from 500 to 600 units?
Personally, I’m not overly bothered by those extras, as it does mean 100 more buyers get to own this cool edition.

However, I wonder why Stern would choose to do this on Munsters as opposed to Maiden where there was estimated to be far higher demand?
I suppose all future LEs may be subject to this re-occurring.

In the end, IMO Stern has done a really nice job with all three models and I think everyone will be happy with the one they choose.

as of 1/8/19

Probably needs to be updated to 600 if true, but showing still 500 on their site.

https://sternpinball.com/2019/01/08/stern-pinball-announces-new-munsters-pinball-machines/

I can see both sides to this 500/600 argument, however if Stern making a bit of extra cash helps them stay in business making the toys we love, then what's an extra 100 LE pins in the world? Just my opinion.

Im in on an LE, the number increase doesn't really bother me, but man oh man. everyone has been super hyped abput this pin. and stern really has done well with the reveal, the energy, the excitement. If you listen to any podcast about this machine, the comments have been nothing but positive and energized and happy.

now enter the LE to 600 stuff.... grrrrrrr…. here comes the bitching, the negativity and the dark cloud...

If this is true, demand has caught them by surprise and they have left money on the table.

Still find it hard to believe they really have increased to 600.

It's only a podcast rumor!

hello!!!!

jeff is usually pretty on top of all things pinball...

If you’re upset at the thought of more people being able to enjoy a thing, time to re-evaluate your perspective on life.

Then get rid of “limited edition” and go with model trim 1, 2, 3. Let people buy what model level they want.

Stern doesn’t do this because they get those 500 LE people on the hook before game hits the market. Clever marketing strategy. If they waited offering model 1..2.3 then they might not sell the higher level version out on (there most profitable version per machine).

So in this case Stern messing with LE owners will cause them to be upset and they may not order next time. They may wait it out cause if it is a popular theme “Stern will make more LEs.”

My 2 cents- let Zach know how you feel as an LE consumer!

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