Family guy doesn't use plastic balls !

Oh the only time I ever played one was at launch in Rochester at a show and it was a white plastic ball from what I remember. It got stuck on me during my only game on it as well. To many farts and burps. Never played it again. So thanks for settinge straight.

Anyhow I sure hope it's a tad bigger ball.

Inspired is probably a better word than stolen. It's actually kind of cool to see when designers and programmers inspire one another. I see several things on this playfield and display that were inspired by others and that's ok. I'm glad much of this stuff isn't patented. How much would it suck if only one company could exclusively use pop bumpers, another drop targets and another spinners?

I'm with you. Only difference is that I am typically a Pro buyer. I may have upgraded to Premium this time if it would have been color. Black and White is ok but just is not my preference - I like the color.

would you rather have seen stern 'steal' such innovations as the blue frankenstein half peeking over a wall or the razor blade on a string ?

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Without Data East taking “inspiration” from all those 90s Williams games can you imagine how terrible they’d all be?

Jpop never met an idea he wouldn’t steal and people can’t get enough.

Without captain fantastic we wouldn’t have seen Flash and all the great games that rip off steve Ritchie.

“Innovation” is the most over-lusted for desire in pinball. You don’t want it people!!!

Hard to say now for me... I wanted B&W but in a L.E., and the cabinet just like the called "Photoshopped " in B&W and just that plain red stripe.

Bullshit! This game is a home run all the way. Borg and Franchi killed it!

We had the option of either doing one of the following -
1/ Keep the original recordings which have the sound track and laugh track embedded . These are impossible to remove due to the nature of the original recordings
Or
2/ Overdub new voices and sounds on top of the original video shots . This would unfortunately not satisfy collectors who expect to hear the original sounds of course which the laugh track is included and of course impossible to separate from the mono recordings completed in the 1960s.

Regards Stern marketing

That was the right move. Sound perfect to me.

This is Franchi’s best yet. A stunner of an art package. Even better than ghostbusters, which was the best.

Well I guess it certainly won’t compare in numbers of pins sold

Munsters will sell thousands more than JJPPOTC

Don’t worry Who-Dey , there’s a reason he has such a morbid and depressing Pinside user name.

Game looks fantastic - personally prefer the LE - it looks like an LE all the way. LE cab with B&W PF would have been nice, but all 3 versions look great.

Lower PF looks fun - has more in it than Jetsons and Supreme combined.

Can’t wait to play it.

I really wish the Premium playfield was color. Maybe Grandpa's basement could've been black and white only.

There's really no reason to make Franchi's awesome art look dull.

I'm excited to flip on it. I was feeling the hype at the reveal, but not like I need to throw money down. I'm going to be itchy to get time on it as soon as it starts popping up in the wild though. I really want to see how it feels compared to other Borg games. I've been really hit and miss with Borg lately. Some really big highs (TWD, Tron, MET) and some iffy lows (AS, GoTG, KISS). I like when he deviates from his main pattern, and this one definitely does to some degree on the premium/LE model, but I want to see if it does enough for me.

That makes sense, thanks for sharing.

#1 was definitely the right call, no point in doing a license if the fans don't get what they want out of it. I'm not one of those fans, or a buyer, so who cares if I find it grating. Wasn't gonna open my wallet anyways, much better to make people who appreciate the game for what it represents happy.

It doesn’t look dull at all. It’s extremely sharp. And if you look at the Color versions, they sorta look like he did it in B/W first then colored it to look like colorized B/W film.

I really like what they did with the ramp flap on the Spot shot too. Big improvement. That really smooths that left ramp shot out, so it feels nice. The left ramp shot on TWD Prem/LE really suffers with the old "speed bump" design.

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I’m thinking the 2 sets of flipper buttons will allow for some cool modes with both upper and lower playing at once. FGY only has one set?

Not sure if you're in or not on this release, hopefully you'll repeat it a few more times so we can all rest easy.

Anyway, on the topic at hand - do we have a definite answer on the size of the balls in the lower playfield?

Maybe I don't understand modern pins, but aren't these computer games now, could they not have an option of which one the owner prefers?
Or is that the whole 'code' can of worms issue?

I was really negative on the black and white package before I saw it. At this point the Premium package is my favorite. I usually favor LEs in general, but I don't like the overall art package on the LE and I never like gold trim or legs. At least the legs are not shiny gold. So this is the best case for me. I get to wait as long as I want to decide on this game rather than having to jump on an LE yesterday basically. It is cool that the LE even has the Stern no-see glass on it standard!

By the way you can win one of these in the Project Pinball raffles:

Pro: https://projectpinball.rallyup.com/winapinballmachineraffle-19-100

Premium: https://projectpinball.rallyup.com/premiumpinballmachineraffle-2019
(I know it says Beatles, but you can pick any Stern Premium game that is currently available NIB.)

So they should double their asset costs? That stuff doesn't get made for free.

Coding wise it’s easy.

The work is having to develop two different versions of every audio sample.

I'm not saying blurry. I'm saying Black and White is duller than Color. If you want to watch 4K TV in black and white, be my guest.

The LE and Pro playfield are vibrant.

FG only uses two buttons, but you play upper and lower at the same time for Stewie Multiball. The extra set of buttons is the only thing I'm scratching my head about on this game....doesn't seem like it needs them, but I guess we'll see if there's a real gameplay reason for it.

You see vibrant, I see "busy". Resolution has nothing to do with vibrancy. You can watch beautifully shot B&W movies on a 4KTV. Light, shadow and cinematography can be gorgeous in black and white. Just depends on the artist. Anyway - I think all 3 versions look great. Glad there are options for all tastes.

I bought the Schindlers List 4K this Christmas and was laughing at myself the whole way to the till. It does look amazing, clearly better than any previous release, but its still black and white. I don't mind the B&W on this but the splashes of color on the targets seems odd. On the Pin it fits the theme if your a hardcore Munsters fan but that is really the only reason I could imagine wanting it.

Ok so it looks like the main concern is black and white. I would guess after they sell out of LE's and do first runs of Pro's-enough people will stand up with their pitchforks and demand COLOR for Premiums(or at least two versions-One Color & One B&W). Stern marketing will realize quickly what the public wants.

Now can we move on from the black and white argument-feels like groundhogs day-even after the announcement.

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There were more post to this thread before it was revealed than after. LOL

I don't want the LE in my opinion FUGLY. Premium all the way.

I hate hate when I change my mind on a Stern release. Saw gameplay and am intrigued.

Still MET, LUCY and World Poker have morphed into Munsters.

I think it matters when you're putting your opinion out to the people who make it whether you're a buyer or a bystander. But feel free to ignore my posts if they bother you that much, I'll probably keep saying it.

(Opened 7 months ago)...and got stronger 4 months ago, so, 4 months vs. 4 hours, I think that’s a lot for 1st day.

Just getting off work and catching up......LE is gorgeous, and confirmed my order. FGY is one of my most played pins, and I love the mini playfield.

Can't wait to get this thing and play it!!!!! (I do think the B&W looks pretty cool as well, but the "cabinet casket" artwork, custom rails, shaker, and great color do it for me).....Hooray!!!!

Wowza Herman Munster just scored 185M on deadflip stream. All modes were started and Munster Madness (wizard mode) was completed. Got to hear tons of callouts, sound clips, and video. Thank heavens it spreads out the theme song music some when you have a good game. It was getting annoying while the first time crowd played through.

Munsters is a polished looking game and code looks to be pretty much done maybe it is over v1.0. Congrats to Borg and Team for an outstanding design. Gary Stern deserves to party tonight like it’s 1999. 9C258E8A-258A-4DE6-BD4F-02A3D331BD7D.gif

Thanks!

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Not saying from the beginning of creation.... I was watching it today and it was like 5 post every minute or so. Just seems to have calmed down alot.. Do people like what they see?

Any show $pecials on these?

You get to pay full price, but unlike many others get to play and see it first before paying

I don't think I ever saw Munsters mentioned before the rumours started, then suddenly it's the new hotness. Like it might as well have not existed before that happened, it was just that slightly memorable show that was on decades ago that everyone forgot.

Is it fair to say that pretty much anything nostalgic that Stern crank out is going to be eaten up by anyone who just wants a new shiny thing? What next? Xena? The A-Team? LeXX?

If it's just people wanting any new theme in a shiny cabinet then that's one thing, but where has this previously non-existant Munsters fan club come from?

Game is just revealed and someone beats the wizard mode at a show.

And you believe code is polished and pretty much done?

This may be the most compelling comment to wait a year before purchasing to avoid the frustration waiting on code.

At CES, Stern have Munsters and Beatles pinballs for play and to showcase. Those are the two and only games featured and this has been planned for awhile. I really dig Munsters lower playfield and prefer the b&w art, so plan to buy a premium. Munsters premium delivered will run about $7.6k and that is also the price for delivery of Beatles gold. So there you have it, Stern has its two newest pins on display and both sell for the same thing, right?

It is easy to shine a light on the potential sales variance between Munsters Prem vs Beatles gold since they are both Stern’s and happen to be hanging out together Maybe 10x more interest in Munsters over Beatles and why is that? Is it because Munsters: features, code, art, video and sound make it looked packed sitting next to Beatles? While Beatles pin is beautiful, that’s about it for what stands out.

John Q. Public will see Munsters pro for $5.8k and go wow, that looks like the Munsters premium but much better priced and maybe 95% of the same experience. Then look at Beatles and think to himself wtf? People can see value and one pin looks like it doesn’t belong. Maybe this will convince Stern their sales price for Beatles was way too high and to be more competitive next time.. If the msrp on that game had been $5k, interest would be split more evenly between games ie they would selling lots more Beatles. This illustrates how much of a money grab Beatles was ($3k per machine x 1k pins = $3M of grabass).

Anyways looking forward to watching more streams of the Munsters. Game shows some nice flow on left and right orbit shots, as well as up the the left and right ramps. Also left ramp travels behind backboard as it does on IM.

so just getting around to all of this. Game looks cool - like the layout. Not a fan at all of that B/W though - kills the prem for me.

Anyone have a link to the video/stream? Would like to see it in full action.

I always loved The Munsters since I was a kid. I even have a Munster's Koach model. But I never go out of my way to talk about them.

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https://m.twitch.tv/deadflip

Fair dos. I remember watching it a fair bit but I couldn't tell you anything about any episode I saw. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I never knew it had such a big fanbase.

I've never seen an episode of the Munsters in my life. I've been vaguely aware of them as an Addams Family knockoff I guess, and that's about it. But the full transition to color TV happened right around when I was born, so I'm probably from the wrong era.

It strikes me as a more dated theme than Stern has been doing, but not a stale one necessarily. I'm curious to see the longer term response to it.

thanks!

Maybe it's b/c I'm not into the theme but what a borefest for me. Everything just seems so been there done that. Like deadpool had some crazy shots that yes didn't work but it was unique. Bottom PF seems lacking as well. Disappointed. On paper it seemed better. In motion it seems dated all around. Initial impressions of course.

I'd take a premium with pro art.