Quoted from OLDPINGUY:I paid $3800 NIB for my Tron.
I paid $4,400 for a Tron LE. 
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Quoted from Sinestro:Stern is selling a HELL of a lot more pins this decade than last.
From their perspective, the competition has meant didly-squat.
Totally untrue.
Since JJP arrived, Stern has:
- added LCD screens and hired animation artists
- increased # of coders and made a stronger commitment to update code in games (BM66, WD, AS are all great examples)
- added Franchi, ZombieYeti and Dirty Donnie as artists
- improved quality control
- started contract manufacturing
- hired more designers
Are there other factors at work? Sure. But to say the competition has meant nothing? When Stern had no competition, you had games with DMD only, photoshopped art, and incomplete or long delays in code. Competition is healthy!
Quoted from Jackalwere:Totally untrue.
Since JJP arrived, Stern has:
- added LCD screens and hired animation artists
- increased # of coders and made a stronger commitment to update code in games (BM66, WD, AS are all great examples)
- added Franchi, ZombieYeti and Dirty Donnie as artists
- improved quality control
- started contract manufacturing
- hired more designers
Are there other factors at work? Sure. But to say the competition has meant nothing? When Stern had no competition, you had games with DMD only, photoshopped art, and incomplete or long delays in code. Competition is healthy!
Not entirely true. There are still long delays for code. Batman 66 has taken years to get close to complete. Kiss just got an update. GB owners keep wondering out loud.
As for quality, while Stern has had ups and downs, none of my SAM era Sterns ever had splitting cabinets, insert problems like GB’s initial run had, or soft crater mush playfields.
Quoted from Rarehero:Not entirely true. There are still long delays for code. Batman 66 has taken years to get close to complete. Kiss just got an update. GB owners keep wondering out loud.
Game of Thrones has had major bugs since release that haven't been addressed.
Quoted from Jackalwere:Totally untrue.
Since JJP arrived, Stern has:
- added LCD screens and hired animation artists
- increased # of coders and made a stronger commitment to update code in games (BM66, WD, AS are all great examples)
- added Franchi, ZombieYeti and Dirty Donnie as artists
- improved quality control
- started contract manufacturing
- hired more designersAre there other factors at work? Sure. But to say the competition has meant nothing? When Stern had no competition, you had games with DMD only, photoshopped art, and incomplete or long delays in code. Competition is healthy!
I agree competition is healthy and I'm glad theres multiple companies making pins but LCD's were inevitable regardless and SM, LOTR's SPParty some of Sterns best games came before JJP exsisted. There is no threat right now from any boutique manufacturer.
Quoted from Hazoff:I agree competition is healthy and I'm glad theres multiple companies making pins but LCD's were inevitable regardless and SM, LOTR's SPParty some of Sterns best games came before JJP exsisted. There is no threat right now from any boutique manufacturer.
You’re right there is no threat because Stern’s copy and paste system, can’t be threatened. No other maker makes such simple no frills pinball tables than Stern. The great thing about Stern is their motto is: how good is good enough, cause we don’t care. I was at a pinball arcade and realized after playing a dozen Stern’s that they all began to blur and seemed to play and be near the same table. Just a couple ramps, with some plastics thrown here and there for a theme and relatively no motorized toys. DP with a slinky bash toy and IM with a lifting ramp. Not much at all in interactive toys. If the asking price were what they were just 7-8 years ago, then such a sparse amount of goodies is fine, but when the asking price is double that of 7-8 years ago, shouldn’t we expect a great deal more?
Even Stern’s boutique tables like Beatles and Primus cost an incredible $8,000.00 for not much at all. Cannot believe anyone would be sucked into paying that kind of money for so little in return. Those tables should only be no more than $3k to $4k tops.
We all need to vote with our money and just say no to Stern’s policy of giving very little in game toys, quality and code depth versus what other makers give us for our money spent. That would return pricing away from gouging us to being fairly priced again like it was just 7 years ago. When Tron could be purchased NIB for $3,800. Hoping Munsters will reflect a change in offering and fair pricing, but it probably won’t. Maybe if Beatles Boutique table does poorly Stern will rethink their strategy and return us to the good ol’ days of pinball. They would flourish if they did and make even more money than they do now.
Added over 5 years ago:Addendum: played a lineup of Sterns last night and don’t think they play the same. Maybe the day wrote the above, felt like the lineup I was playing seems similar. Stern makes good tables that are fun to play. I own some as well.
Quoted from Thunderbird:You’re right there is no threat because Stern’s copy and paste system, can’t be threatened. No other maker makes such simple no frills pinball tables than Stern. The great thing about Stern is their motto is: how good is good enough, cause we don’t care. I was at a pinball arcade and realize after playing the bank a dozen Stern’s that they all began to blur and seemed to play and be near the same table. Just a couple ramps, with some plastics throw here and there for a theme and relatively no motorized toys. DP with a slinky bash toy and IM with a lifting ramp. Not much at all in interactive toys. If the asking price were what they were just 7-8 years ago, then such a sparse amount of goodies is fine, but when. The asking price is double that of 7-8 years ago, shouldn’t we expect a great deal more? Even Stern’s boutique tables like Beatles and Primus cost an incredible $8,000.00 for not much at all. Cannot believe anyone would be sucked into paying that kind of money for so little in return. Those tables should only be no more than $3k to $4k tops.
We all need to vote with our money and just say no to Stern’s policy of giving very little in game toys, quality and code depth versus what other makers give us for our money spent. That would return pricing away from gouging us to being fairly priced again like it was just 7 years ago. Where Tron could be purchased NIB for $3,800. Hoping Munsters will reflect a change in offering and fair pricing, but it probably won’t. Maybe if Beatles does poorly Stern will rethink their strategy and return us to the good ol’ days Of pinball.
How much did you pay for that Houdini that you got? IMDN, TWD, GOT, GB, KISS, AS, AC/DC, MET, BM66 and many others all are just as good or better games than your Houdini. Your post is garbage and has no merit. Stern is kicking ass right now and making the funnest games around and Munsters will be a huge success i guarantee it! The only game Stern has made in the last few years that i consider a dud is Deadpool.
Quoted from Thunderbird:You’re right there is no threat because Stern’s copy and paste system, can’t be threatened. No other maker makes such simple no frills pinball tables than Stern. The great thing about Stern is their motto is: how good is good enough, cause we don’t care. I was at a pinball arcade and realized after playing a dozen Stern’s that they all began to blur and seemed to play and be near the same table. Just a couple ramps, with some plastics thrown here and there for a theme and relatively no motorized toys. DP with a slinky bash toy and IM with a lifting ramp. Not much at all in interactive toys. If the asking price were what they were just 7-8 years ago, then such a sparse amount of goodies is fine, but when the asking price is double that of 7-8 years ago, shouldn’t we expect a great deal more?
Even Stern’s boutique tables like Beatles and Primus cost an incredible $8,000.00 for not much at all. Cannot believe anyone would be sucked into paying that kind of money for so little in return. Those tables should only be no more than $3k to $4k tops.
We all need to vote with our money and just say no to Stern’s policy of giving very little in game toys, quality and code depth versus what other makers give us for our money spent. That would return pricing away from gouging us to being fairly priced again like it was just 7 years ago. When Tron could be purchased NIB for $3,800. Hoping Munsters will reflect a change in offering and fair pricing, but it probably won’t. Maybe if Beatles Boutique table does poorly Stern will rethink their strategy and return us to the good ol’ days of pinball. They would flourish if they did and make even more money than they do now.
c9401c53b23270a0c97871f4434eee9e (resized).jpgQuoted from Who-Dey:How much did you pay for that Houdini that you got? IMDN, TWD, GOT, GB, KISS, AS, AC/DC, MET, BM66 and many others all are just as good or better games than your Houdini. Your post is garbage and has no merit. Stern is kicking ass right now and making the funnest games around and Munsters will be a huge success i guarantee it! The only game Stern has made in the last few years that i consider a dud is Deadpool.
Your right, stern really is kicking ass, they really worked the bugs out. I love what their doing and I like Deadpool, I don’t think it’s a dud at all.
Quoted from Who-Dey:The only game Stern has made in the last few years that i consider a dud is Deadpool.
crazy talk! One of Stern's best games in the recent past. Once you get the lock shot dialed it, it becomes a fun game with some more unique shots.
Code is coming along nicely also (still needs refinement but Tanio is a breath of fresh air)
Bought two TronLE’s for $5.2k a piece. I followed Tron sales from the start and never saw any of the good deals mentioned above. Sold one for $8k and the other for $9k. Bought a Tron pro for $4.6k and modded it thu the roof. Those were the days.
Looking forwards to getting a Munsters LE ... probably at $9k.
Sydney
Quoted from cooked71:I thought the Pinside Logic is that JJP are responsible for nothing else but high prices?
When Stern almost collapsed and brought on their new partner, they set a few primary goals from the start. Pros were selling for 4.5k and may have cost 3k to make. 1) They immediately raised their priced structure to include a healthy profit, ensure future stability and build in distributor profits. 2) They established and enforced minimum sales pricing for distributors. 3) They invested in staff and expanded design which increased internal BOM to closer to $4K. Pros are selling for $5.5k, but Prem sell for $7.5k and LE’s at $9k are where Stern makes bank.
TPF website says Butch Patrick (Eddue Munster) and Pat Priest (Marilyn Munster) will both be at the show.
Hey Chris Franchi, if you reading this, please bring a Munsters print to the show with some of the pinball art on it. Lots of people would buy one to get signed by them.
Also John Rhys-Davis (Gimli from Lord of the Rings, Sallah from Indiana Jones) is supposed to be there as well.
Quoted from Thunderbird:You’re right there is no threat because Stern’s copy and paste system, can’t be threatened. No other maker makes such simple no frills pinball tables than Stern. The great thing about Stern is their motto is: how good is good enough, cause we don’t care. I was at a pinball arcade and realized after playing a dozen Stern’s that they all began to blur and seemed to play and be near the same table. Just a couple ramps, with some plastics thrown here and there for a theme and relatively no motorized toys. DP with a slinky bash toy and IM with a lifting ramp. Not much at all in interactive toys. If the asking price were what they were just 7-8 years ago, then such a sparse amount of goodies is fine, but when the asking price is double that of 7-8 years ago, shouldn’t we expect a great deal more?
Even Stern’s boutique tables like Beatles and Primus cost an incredible $8,000.00 for not much at all. Cannot believe anyone would be sucked into paying that kind of money for so little in return. Those tables should only be no more than $3k to $4k tops.
We all need to vote with our money and just say no to Stern’s policy of giving very little in game toys, quality and code depth versus what other makers give us for our money spent. That would return pricing away from gouging us to being fairly priced again like it was just 7 years ago. When Tron could be purchased NIB for $3,800. Hoping Munsters will reflect a change in offering and fair pricing, but it probably won’t. Maybe if Beatles Boutique table does poorly Stern will rethink their strategy and return us to the good ol’ days of pinball. They would flourish if they did and make even more money than they do now.
Pinsider from down under with the username Thunderbird doesn’t have a Thunderbirds game? Now that is how you make a
$5,000 piece of shit with lots of items that check a box for supposed features. Except it is not fun. At all. Stern makes fun games.
Quoted from Colehvac1:Your right, stern really is kicking ass, they really worked the bugs out. I love what their doing and I like Deadpool, I don’t think it’s a dud at all.
There's a lot of people that like Deadpool so i get it. Im not really ragging on it, i just didnt care for it personally. I'm glad that you like it. Every game isn't for everyone, thats why im glad that Stern makes tons of games so that we can all enjoy something they have to offer.
Quoted from Whysnow:crazy talk! One of Stern's best games in the recent past. Once you get the lock shot dialed it, it becomes a fun game with some more unique shots.
Code is coming along nicely also (still needs refinement but Tanio is a breath of fresh air)
Hilton i thought that you hated ALL Sterns? 
Quoted from Who-Dey:Hilton i thought that you hated ALL Sterns?
nope, that is just the narrative on here. I own quite a few (personally) and of course on route also.
I have purchased both GOT and BDK in the past few months.
One of my favorite games is TWD but we have 2 on route so I dont own one of those.
Quoted from Thunderbird:We all need to vote with our money and just say no to Stern’s policy of giving very little in game toys, quality and code depth versus what other makers give us for our money spent. That would return pricing away from gouging us to being fairly priced again like it was just 7 years ago. When Tron could be purchased NIB for $3,800. Hoping Munsters will reflect a change in offering and fair pricing,
Fair pricing?
Just curious. Do you know anything about running a business and making profits (which is what businesses are in the business of doing)?
Quoted from Jackalwere:Totally untrue.
Since JJP arrived, Stern has:
- added LCD screens and hired animation artists
- increased # of coders and made a stronger commitment to update code in games (BM66, WD, AS are all great examples)
- added Franchi, ZombieYeti and Dirty Donnie as artists
- improved quality control
- started contract manufacturing
- hired more designers
Are there other factors at work? Sure. But to say the competition has meant nothing? When Stern had no competition, you had games with DMD only, photoshopped art, and incomplete or long delays in code. Competition is healthy!
Uh, you'd better re-read what I wrote. I was talking about from a sales perspective, JJP has meant didly-squat to Stern.
Everything you posted is true, and not in dispute.
Back to the Munsters.....
Quoted from PinMonk:Game of Thrones has had major bugs since release that haven't been addressed.
Woops: Took it down --had nothing to do with Munsters...
Quoted from gliebig:I'd like to retheme it to a Muenster theme. Or would that be to cheesy?
That’s not Gouda of you!
Don’t STRING us along with those cheesy jokes. 
Doctor told me I've got an addiction to Cheddar cheese. It's only mild though.
—-
Cheese has holes.
The more cheese you have, the more holes you have.
The more holes you have, the less cheese you have.
Conclusion: The more cheese you have, the less cheese you have.... more or less.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Found a Munsters commercial for Cheerios. Don’t remember ever seeing it, but I’d guess it aired.
It's surprising how well the gags hold up. I was watching some episodes last night and they were still pretty funny. One of the episodes was about Herman and Grandpa trying to rig a local election by tampering with the machines remotely. Very 2016 relevant. Season 2, Episode 13 if you want to find it, since the wiki episode guide doesn't mention anything about the election-rigging sub-plot.
Quoted from PinMonk:It's surprising how well the gags hold up. I was watching some episodes last night and they were still pretty funny. One of the episodes was about Herman and Grandpa trying to rig a local election by tampering with the machines remotely. Very 2016 relevant.
Life imitates art.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Artistic license is what I tell myself when seeing Eddie’s amputated legs, wrapped in bandages and a beer bottle stuck up his butt.
Who’s the guy hovering over Lilly’s shoulder???[quoted image]
That is uncle Gilbert over Lilly's shoulder. Not sure what is going on with Eddie's legs.
Quoted from kevtronix:That is uncle Gilbert over Lilly's shoulder. Not sure what is going on with Eddie's legs.
It’s a monkey down there. No big deal.
Quoted from kermit24:It’s a monkey down there. No big deal.
7F3EC86E-9415-4691-A44B-6667930AA7D5 (resized).jpegOk...Munster Monday over..I'll ride with the Thursday guess, but after that, I'll just be happy when they do announce (not in a terrible hurry, but will be happy when it's available.... 
Quoted from MK6PIN:Ok...Munster Monday over..I'll ride with the Thursday guess, but after that, I'll just be happy when they do announce (not in a terrible hurry, but will be happy when it's available....
Im with you MK, Tuesday it is brother!!
Quoted from Who-Dey:Im with you MK, Tuesday it is brother!!
I like how you think!!!! 
Quoted from MK6PIN:I like how you think!!!!
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