Sorry, but Dwight mainly has just adjusted the scoring and timers to lvl 2....
Nothing special

You probably should have got a WOZ instead of a Munsters.

Have you played this game already?

Yes.

Hi Pd

First play Munsters on location to see if you like it.

I too have fingers crossed that at the very least lvl 2s code will have depth and not just in your face again, tho i'm also thinking that this will not be the case as Stern really don't care about home owners other than the extra $
I can see that my MunLE will be sold within a month of home use, but I hope to be proven wrong!!!

Looking at your wish list, I think you should really look into Star Trek Le if your thinking on spending that kind of money on Afmrm.

If guys are going to put down a Munsters
Maybe they should be on another thread ? I know I will be happy unboxing my LE
Going next to Addams Gold almost 30yrs later .

had one for a few years lol
I really liked the game,rules etc. but Im really not a wide body fan.

Machines not in Australia as yet.
only been watching live and recorded streams.

Dwight said that level 2 is more difficult than level 1. This isn't going to be a code where you need to go to school to learn it but i bet its still going to be a fun game.

This is the correct thread for this type of discussion!
It's not called the Munsters love it or Leave thread.

Squizz i just hope that you have learned your lesson and wont be buying anymore games before you actually see them first. That is a recipe for disaster. Just buy premiums instead of LE's, that way you can see if you think you will like the game or not. Thats way better than spending 10-15K and saying. ....OMG this game has shallow code and doesnt even have drop targets......STERN SUCKS and i hate the game i just bought!!!

I cant even imagine doing that.

I have 4 Sterns, AC/DC Luci, Simpson’s,
T3, Playboy, all bought new , had 20-30 other Sterns which I’ve sold. Not looking to sell Munsters . I do have all remakes
And originals , JJP games ,I actually stop buying Sterns because no title recently made want to hit buy now ?I thought I would give them another chance .I haven’t updated my list , sold n bought a lot of games recently. If Stern makes E3
I’m very interested in that but I’m crossing my fingers it’s done right !

I will, just saying Munsters went from *the* next game to *possible* next game.

The machine looks great & no matter what it’s either a game I play on route or a game I play at home. So I can’t really complain... unless I buy it, too soon (ain’t happening).

AFMr CE is tempting. I have fond memories of it. Nostalgia can be a liar at times however.

Who-Dey
Maybe easy for you guy's in America and Canada but not in Australia!
If you do not pre-order the LE's on Preview release show, you will 100% miss out!!

So you cannot sit back and wait for the machine to arrive and play and then say- Hay I really like this game, can I purchase an LE.. ( No chance)

I tried the let's wait and play and buy Premiums, but they do not hold their value here.
Same as Pros, you will lose 1 to1.5k within a few months.

LE's are the only safer bet that you will most likely get your money back, maybe make a buck or 2, or at worse you will lose $500

This is a Hobby for me, I'm not an operator who really couldn't care less about code, drop targets etc, except if it earns me money on location!

I Never said that Stern Sucks, Yes in quality of the material they use Suck tho!
The way they never return Emails from Stern Sucks! ( they seem to only reply to the locals)

Yes I was unhappy with the showing of the code and not having Drops on the Lily bank, and I feel that I'm not the only one.

I have my fingers crossed for Level 2s code!
Just don't like the idea of the ( Close to the start button as Dwight calls it)
Dwight did well when he finished Star Trek, tho took some time.

I just hope that they are not stubborn on the idea to keep it simple.
Which is the real reason why they have the No Save ball turned off.......

Have you tried X-Men Le or Prem?
This is the longest Stern machine I have ever Owned
A true J Borgs master piece if you like tight shots with reward.
(reminds me that I need to purchase a ColorDMD for this )

AfMr holds up better than MBr, IMO. It kicks your butt just as hard as you remember, but the giant color screen and redone graphics, excellent topper integration, and new saucer lighting effects take the experience to the next level. People LOVE it on the route I help with.

We can dream....come aaaawn, we can dream

The problem is though now you gotta pay 15k or whatever you guys gotta pay for a game that you dont like. That would suck.

If this is going to be on new Stern's going forward, no way am I buying a NIB.

You can take that to the bank

Same.
Be very hard to pay 10++k to get that rubbish.
Shame.

Yeah i agree. I definitely don't like it either, not even for the pro models. Its just cheaping out way too much.

This is from a while ago, but I'm trying to unpack what you're saying here.

You started off saying that it's crazy to buy a LE sight unseen, but then within a couple of sentences you appear to contradict yourself and suggest that people should buy LEs without hesitation because, to paraphrase you, "when was the last time someone lost money on a LE?". Others have quite rightly pointed out examples where LE value is not necessarily a sure thing.

You also say it's crazy for people to buy an LE based on "somebody else's impression of said game", then you go on to wax lyrical about how amazing it is in your opinion...

If you really dig The Munsters then I can see the logic of plumping for an LE sight unseen - it is the best version of a theme you love. Buying it simply because it's the new hotness, or because you are sucked up by the hype, on the other hand, is a risky proposition. It's very easy to get sucked up into hype, and there has been a lot of hype for this game - no one was really talking about The Munsters before the announcement, and now it's as if it was the theme that everyone was waiting for.

What I would say is that one shouldn't buy a Munsters LE thinking that because there is so much hype now that the value is sure to go up and up. Everyone is talking about it now because it's the latest thing that Stern have done, and people like hyping new shiny things. If/when they announce Jaws, or Elvira, or Xena the Warrior Princess, or Buffy, or The Punisher, or whatever this thread will tail off and suddenly that new pin will be the best thing since sliced bread.

Code reminds me of Star Trek. I sold my ST because I didn’t like the code. With that being said - I’m looking forward to my Munsters arriving. I hope Stern does something to the code on this game.

Dwight said it was pretty much code complete except for a few bugs so i wouldn't count on the code getting changed too much.

If it's like the greatest game ever designed - Star Trek, Then I am more than happy!

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It’s subjective my friend. I’m glad that you enjoy Star Trek.

Muaha .... I pre-payed for a JJPoTC and cancelled my order after the disaster with the spinning disks and the trasure cove.
I had also one of the first WOZ in Europe ... what a game, what quality !! Printed cabinet with clearcoat ! Wow ... and now ... decals or blinki plasticcovers ....
so JJP definitly is no longer the pinball industries #1 standart for quality and innovations !!
STERN was out after I got a "monday morning" GoT LE .... after Alien (instead POTC) TM will be my first NIB Stern after a break ... looking forward.

Not sure what you "don't get". Price "venting" might be therapeutic, but it's not going to effect Stern's/JJP's/CGC's plans to pump out games. As more and more games get produced, it will be harder and harder to sell (and prices will drop). To make things worse, recently produced games break far too often (and are costly to maintain on location). If the next recession hits public pinball venues, it will be even worse for resale pinball values.

Bottom line: it's highly unlikely the pinball party will last forever, but what does? If the financial risks keep you up at night, you should consider thinning the herd

On the Target-gate conspiracy of missing Lily drops and possibly the Dragula standups... with this mentality, will Stern machines end up being a box with two flipper buttons, one big target, one big light, one big buzzer, and one big bell? Then we put money in it to stand in front of it and mash the buttons while the ball randomly crashes around into the target, randomly buzzes the buzzer, flashes the big light, and rings the bell? And every time we get it to ring, buzz, and flash long enough, it cracks off a knocker to let me know I get to do this all over again for FREE!

This is how I, as a player, feel Stern is letting us down with their recent evidence of “cost savings” or “profit maximizing” or “customer gouging”, depending on your opinion of Stern.

I understand the mentality behind the single wide Lily Target when it come to the rules... hit this target 4 times and something happens, which in Munsters is you boost Lily which boosts overall scoring. There is no award for getting LILY in order, so the single target paradigm works, but here’s the rub- usually, in past pinball rules, four bank target banks, either standup or drop, are a way of sequencially making the player be accurate with their shots, give them visual feedback of their progress, and removes that progress if the bank is not completed in the current ball or within a set time.

Here’s some more “cost savings” advice... you can eliminate 3 inserts, 3 lamps, and just put up one LILY insert... flash the insert slowly at first, then faster with each strike until the 4th strike, where you leave LILY lit to show it is qualified. See? Now you save 3 lamps, 3 sockets, 10 feet of wire and three lamp outputs on your already shaky node boards. No change to game play, but way cheaper.

If Stern continues to remove the aspects of playing pinball that some of us have grown to love and expect, then I don’t see me buying many more NIB Stern machines. The “dumbing down” of pinball in the name of “cost savings” is killing off the things I have always loved about playing... shooting shots accurately, in order, and that “thump” when the bank resets, be it the thump of making the bank in a single sweeping shot, or the thump of the bank resetting before making the last shot...

Everything in pinball is related to bill of materials. Did you ever consider Borg dropped the LILY targets and put in the single target to save the BOM for those items and use it elsewhere? It was possible because the single DRAGULA target was needed since other targets wouldn't fit in the left spot and a single target on the right would add symmetry. Like maybe, just maybe that's why the PRO retains all the features of the premium/LE minus the lower playfield. I have to give Borg the benefit of 25 years of experience designing games. I think you are inferring that future titles will have single targets and IMO that is definitely not the case. 1 in a row does not make a trend.

+1 with Bublehead

i think a lot of us are not happy with these banks...
ok, i can understand about the left side, DRAGULA too long for having stand up (and i dont like small model ones)
but on the right, it was just perfect for having 4 drops, suppose evbdy would agree that...
pity for sure

That picture was me and my brother trying space invaders for the first time, in my mind.

Powerful stuff.

Amen brother!

Agree. I expect the designers are on a pretty tight budget. Probably best to ask which feature(s) would you give up to get individual Lily stand-ups.

Sounds like it should of just been like mb with no targets on the left and just 2 on the right? Wld people have been more happy with that?

As long as people from the "I don't care how stripped it is, as long as it's fun." camp are lining up to buy the game, why not?

Are we being a bit generous in assuming that the price differential between a single target bank and drop targets is so big that it would make the pin uneconomical? It's not as if the pins have got any cheaper to buy.

@luvthatapex2, I am well aware of BOM. I feel the development cost overhead is what is putting the big squeeze on the BOM. The mile wide, inch deep offerings from Stern show they are able to put out a large amount of machines, but the depth of those titles are trending to be a bit shallow, the mechs limited, and the game play mediocre. Does that mean Stern sucks? No, I think it means Stern is trying to stay in business. Does it make me worry about Stern and their future offerings? Yes.

There is apparently a healthy demand for LE's. I cancelled my LE purchase yesterday and it was listed on Pinside shortly thereafter by the distrib for an extra $1,000 over MSRP and apparently sold quickly.

A beautiful game that I hated to let go. I hope to pick up an HUO at a decent price down the road.

Stern LEs don't even come with a knocker...

Will people pay more for the game if they add a drop target bank? Will the lack of a drop target bank significantly hurt sales? If Stern thinks the answer to these questions is "no" then leave it out. Easy peasy.

IMO, you can probably apply these questions to every aspect of the game to understand the decision making process.

No reason any more to waste a coil on a knocker any more. Let that be a generational thing. Folks new to pinball generally don’t know what it means anyway.

Even less important with most games going into home settings. Just disturbs the people in the other room.

ROTFL WHAAAAT!?!?

I’m dying, this is some next level trolling or something....

Great Borg games: Metallica, Tron, Iron Man, many would say TWD. F*cking X-Men!?!? I mean it’s not as bad as GB, but that’s some bottom of the barrel action as far as Sterns go. I’m dying at the thought of someone willingly playing that game still & listening to Shittybeast’s horrible voice.

Folks new and old to pinball hate the fake knocker sound IME.

Folks new to pinball also play plenty of 90s and earlier games on location and know full well how awesome and satisfying a real knocker can be.

It’s pretty clear that for this game it’s made some difference. I know it has for me. I’ve delayed a decision on Munsters and the side unitargets played a part.

I suspect there’s plenty of wiggle room to have included a 4 target bank in these games. But Stern profitability is focused on having us pay more for less. It’s not going to change unless they see it costing them real money.

Take the return of real cabinet braces to games. Did they do that because so many were asking for them? No they did it because the cost of replacing/replacing games damaged by the cheaper cabinets probably exceeded the incremental cost of them by a significant amount.

For the super popular LEs, yes you need to pay before you play if you want NIB.

But your complaint that if you wait and play a premium or pro you will lose money makes zero sense. If, where you live, premiums and pros lose $1000-$1500 within a few months, then - here's a hot tip - wait a few months after the game's release, play the game, and then buy it at the super discounts that you claim always happen! Then you just saved $1000-1500 and you got a screaming deal. If prices don't go down on the game, then its a winner and you can buy a NIB (which are for sale from Stern for 2 years) without any fear of losing money.