It has more to it then just getting to the madness mode. It is no shallower than the pins cgc is redoing and they are selling well. TheGame just looks fun to play without overthinking things like on sw and got.

Oh man it would send shockwaves across Pinside! It may be even worse than when Stern said no Walking Dead Premium and then released a Premium after the LE’s sold out....

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Hell while they are at it let’s do that for all current SLE and LEs. Screw limited editions! All you that own them sorry Stern has a business to run and you are second as a customer.

Get back inline customers!

That's what the 'levels' are for. Each progressive level gets harder (and scores get bigger).

Set the game up harder if it's an issue.

They always set up games super hard, so....shouldn't be an issue.

Iron Man & Tron have relatively simple "wizard" modes to get to...no one cares, they're super fun.

Dwight said on Head to Head that Zach and the other pros seldom get through the second munster madness

I love it! If executed well, it will be really fun!

How many times do you get to tour the mansion on a TAF set up reasonably well?
I would guess you will get through level 1 semi regularly, but very rare will you go three deep.

Open your outlanes, tighten your tilts, and set EBs on har dif you are a good player.

Not Mine !

On the stream, Dwight said he wanted non-pro players to have a chance at Munster Madness so that they could experience both sets of flippers going at the same time. It sounded like there was at least a second level beyond that. I was thinking of it more as a mini-wizard mode, not the full wizard mode.

I think as it is this game looks fun and absolutely beautiful . I bought a pro and can’t wait . I think that the code updates will eventually make this a great game for all players . All simple game play optics are from the current code and I hope this one gets code updates that just add to the fun factor and I can’t wait

Agreed. I think some of the fun gets lost when you have such complex rules. I also find it very irritating when there are modes that you will never see unless you are one of the top 10 players in the world. These complex rules are often full of bugs and loopholes where code never seems complete. Focus on simpler rules, theme integration, good animations, and extra callouts. That's what made the B/W pins so great.

Agreed ..munsters reminds me of a b/w pin which y i ordered a pro right away.

We’re still on this 500vs600 bullshit? Jesus they need to ship some games so we can have unboxings to distract us.

Can’t wait to post unboxing pics

I think the rule set looks off the hook fantastic! Some awesome ideas, and Munster madness looks fun, creative, and strategic with lots of diversity. Bravo Dwight and team

They talked about having to talk management into dual flipper buttons because if it doesn’t sell, well, left over double holed cabinets, but why not throw a couple of player controlled magnets in the Pro, say ala magnasave?!? Call it “Back from the Dead” And now both Pro’s and on up share the same cabinets, Pro owners get something Premiums and LE’s do not. Win win. (Wait, sorry, forgot about Pro coil count limits, my bad)

I wouldn't count on big code updates, maybe minor fixes. The game looks complete and fun the way it is, if you find it too easy you can make it harder with the settings. If you don't like the rules now, it's probably not your kind of game.

What’s this mean? Not quite following.

Don't worry...not unusual.

Some people think Stern has a (unwritten) rule that Pro’s are only allowed so many coils on the BOM... I always figure you stop counting coils when the game is fun enough, not when you reach a magic number. Besides, whats a couple of magnets to Stern anyways? They seem to have plenty to go around.

I’d prefer to go back to the days of one version of the game. Either you were in or out. No multiple versions of art, hardware, rules or pricing tiers. Game has a problem: one fix to concentrate on.

If they had released Munsters in whatever art version of the 3 depicted games, or included whatever features, lower playfield or not, it would have sold. Nobody could complain about it missing something or having too much of something.
There would be nothing to cross-compare. Here it is, take it or leave it, rather than playing Garanimals trying to mix and match features.

But those days are seemingly long gone.

Nonetheless, looking forward to trying this game.

Sure is... big hit for stern.

Game of Thrones is not shallow by any means. I hope Munsters has a little more meat on the bones than they showed on the streams, though they seem to have nailed the theme (even though the laugh track is too much).

Thats what scares me, I know he went thin on the bone (so to speak) for all to experience the Rush of Munster Madness, Tho i really hope that they rethink 2nd time around to Munster Madness with more challenging shot combos to reach a Nice Wizard mode for lasting appeal

We are of one mind. Maybe he'll finally implement the fabled "Are you a Dog?" wizard mode with Spot. Naaahhh....

Seems an awful lot like Star Trek code.

Premiums (due in May in Aus) are also sold out! So both the Pro and Prems are already on backorder for next production run / shipment, which would make it mid year or later (around August / Sep time-frame), which is a LONG WAY AWAY. The only good thing about this wait is that we get to see what else they release between now and then. Either way, we will be spoiled for choice. Can't wait to drool over this one in real life.

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Yea just screw the collectors in other countries not ours!

I think the initial level needs to be made a little tougher - I almost got to Munster madness and quite a few folks at EAG yesterday got to it. Yes there are levels but it’s still not right. The mystery shot I think needs nerfing also - fotnextra ball and raven mode from it too easily.

Its supposed to be easier to get to on level 1 .. kinda like mb ,which most people will get to monster bash rather easily but monsters of rock is a little harder. . You can always set game up steeper and open up the out lanes which makes a big difference on borg games from my experience

I think the initial level needs to be made a little tougher - I almost got to Munster madness and quite a few folks at EAG yesterday got to it. Yes there are levels but it’s still not right. The mystery shot I think needs nerfing also - for extra ball and raven mode from it too easily.

Getting to monster bash is significantly harder than getting to monster madness in my view, we had the game set up steep and new waxed surface and in my view it needs to be made tougher.

Cheers,
Neil.

All I can do for now is stare at them.

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I know we all have different tastes, but for me The Munsters is way to easy and not mutch to do.
You just have to play yhe 5 main Munsters to get munster madness. yes, you can set the settings harder but than you only have to make the same shots a bit more. and than you can do it over again.

the second goal is keep your superjackpots and cash the in with a multiplier. not a hard task to, because you don't loose your superjackpots after a drain.

So a good game for in a bar and for the average player but most of the people here will get bored with it very fast.

That is exactly what I'm worried about, I guess when my LE arrives, I'll see what the future with the code does.
Then decide if the family likes it to keep, or to move on when Jaws finally comes to town.

Just noticed this, sorry if his has popped up before.
Whats with the 2 holes in the playfield ( That I Circled in red )

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Weird. Looks like a post hole and a wire routing/switch/GI hole. That has to be only in the prototype (typeS - it's in the black and white Premium, too) and can't be in the final design...can it?

Yup in all 3 tables.
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Actually looking at the Pro where the lower playfield should be, Uncle Grandpa ,Grass Hopper and Octopus leg just looks like a bad cut and paste Doesn't blend in well.... - Maybe I'm too fussy?

Nice find

I totally agree...was trying not to be too radical Kidding aside, while I agree with you, I can make sense out of a Pro/Premium leveling/pricing. Since public pinball has experienced a resurgence, it makes sense to have low(er) cost version of a game for operators (and a Premium for home players/collectors looking for more features). In other words, the models reflect the market. From my perspective, the LE market is largely imagined. Nothing limited about my Dialed In LE...plenty of them to go around. Same will be true for Munsters...whether it's 500 or 600.

Video pan across the premium edition. Sorry for the glare but was at a show...

I’ll say the same about you. And I’m sure Beatles will sell out. Agree to disagree.

And Stern adding 100 LEs is a nothingburger. If anyone complaining wouldn’t have bought one had Stern announced 600 or 799 or whatever from the start, than ask for your money back, but please stop with the whining. You aren’t in this for the fun and the hobby, you’re in this for exclusivity and speculation. Your outrage is comical.

Stern has no integrity? For adding to the LE count before a game has shipped? Lol.

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I see similarities. If I’m wrong, guess what? Nothing happens. Just like with Stern releasing 100 more LEs. Oh no, wait, in that case, 100 more people get a machine they want. The horror.

And for those of you that aren’t buying anymore because if this, watch that door on the way out.

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You must be new here right?

I would be happy if Stern produced an unlimited amount of each version so everybody that wants an LE can get one
who cares about exclusivity - it's a pinball machine

And first impression, I didn't like the BW but it's really starting to grow on me.
Need to see it in person

So do I. I'm not sure why it should be surprising to anyone, since the artwork for both machines was done by Christopher Franchi. Had Jeremy Packer or Jeff Zornow worked on The Munsters, it would be a totally different beast.

On a memory foam topper? Are you at least gunna put a plastic sheet on it?

Wakky either trys really really hard to misdirect everyone (saying Deadpool wasn’t next, munsters wasn’t happening etc etc) is just trolling us or he’s the factory floor cleaner and doesn’t have a clue beyond that.