P3 has always been the most innovative pinball we have seen since P2K. Always awesome to see what they bring to the table next. It's always been a little out of my price range. But I may have to get one finally.

i've played P3 plenty. Been playing it at every show even before Lexy was fully developed. And played freds extensively

no but I want to. Looks killer.

So SA is officially the theme? cute play on Wizard blocks. Has anyone seen the insert yet? This maybe the push I need to pull the trigger on a new P3 system.

I figured this was just an add on for those who own Cosmic Cart racing. Some were thinking this is the new one.

By insert I was meaning new modular

i've been playing P3's before lexy was even a thought. Been following it closely through all it's development. It was the most innovative thing to pinball, even before it had a game to go with it. I've played it many times. The price was high (now about the same by todays prices), and waiting for that special game to get me to pull the trigger. Have not played heist yet. but have played everything before it.

yes me too. I've always been excited about P3. Everytime JJP would say he is so innovative, i'd Scoff, because his games are not innovative. P3 is innovative. P2k was innovative.

innovative how? because they add a video display? Nothing innovative about that. P3 has way more innovative tech than just being able to track the balls speed and direction, interact with a motion graphic playfield. the hidden scoops and walls, the mechs and how they work, are all revolutionary and new ideas. out of the box thinking. Like P2k was. JJP doesn't have anything "new" to bring to pinball except higher NIB prices than we have ever seen.

Better light? are you fucking serious? JJP has the WORST GI's of ANY pinball machine i've seen made. The light distribution is Piss poor at best. horrible horrible GI lighting.

P3 has no innovations that is above and beyond anyone else in pinball.

play GNR once. You can't see crap. POTC is hard to see as well.

you have every right to brag. That is why P3 is so special. It's a whole new dimension to innovation.

JJP creates his own open doors for bashing.

Trying out the new P3 stuff on friday. Can't wait to see how the new stuff plays.

I've been on the verge of being an owner since it's conception and before Lexy has been released. Was waiting for funds and more games to develop. Wanted for them to work out the bugs and release games that knock my socks off. Heist looks promising, as well as SA/CCR. The Licensed theme could most definitely push me over.

If P3 Got the BTTF license, I think I would lose my mind and could not get my money in fast enough.

Another good license which would work great with P3, would be from the Game portal. So many possibilities with the P3 platform.

add on software for existing kits is completely worth it. If one theme or rules doesn't appeal to you, the other might. So it's a win win and easier to do, since you don't have to make hardware for it. SA is the reason i'm considering the CCR depending on how SA plays, which i'll find out tomorrow.

turbografx7 will stream SA, if they havn't already.

it would look like a ball of string.

KITTEN............. The pinball adventure.

why is the title squeeze box (a who song) but the song is the beatles taxman?

you can come over and try mine out if you want.

what's nice about P3, is you can change the cabinet art in about 4 seconds.

yes it feels like pinball. Heist feels like a stern game when I played it. It plays snappier and better than JJP games.

If you buy an LE, you could just buy the standard art package, and you can swap between the two whenever you want. The LE only comes with the LE art. Standard art will always be available.

I don't know why. That game is kinda boring. Stern one is way better.

Now with rolling stones. The bally wins over the stern.

I had miss world for years, which was the kiss layout and rules. So it's like having Kiss but way better artwork. Sexy girl, is 100X's more fun than Miss World ever was.

we could just change it to WAL for Wierd Al

so he speaks japanese?

It was Sad it was not represented at Midwest Gaming Classic.

i wish sorcerers apprentice had cabinet art as well.

well, I already told him I was in for the sorcerers apprentice art. Especially if they used the art, but made it generic so the game wasn't listed on it. Especially the speaker panel. Just the art.

would be like wonder wheel.

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I fucking wish. I actually tried to get this license from Valve, but none of my contacts have contacts with valve. If you know anyone that knows someone there. I think we could get this license to happen.

Can you imagine the possibilities? Moving walls, skip ramps with portal holes. Pop up turrets, Companion cube drops blocking holes?

I got one of the first Als, and my flap does the same thing. Had to bend it down once, and eventually bent back up again. They need a new batch of real spring steel. I think the stuff they were sent was not legit spring steel.

misaligned left to right or up and down? There are settings for the sweep. farthest left and right and center, might need to adjust the sweep.

P3 was the only game i've ever had, that I could not physically lift the back end to put the rear legs on. I couldn't even lift it 1" off the ground standing behind it. It was challenging to get it on something to raise it up.

yes, the outlanes wide open are insanely brutal. I kept mine wide open for league and tournament as well.

call the terminal and see if you can pick it up. I've done it before.

sounds like the switch for that scoop isn't being consistent. You need to look into that. probably a loose connection or loose screw. Should be an easy fix. mine never misses the ball.

and when putting a module back in, don't forget to take all the balls off the line and throw them in the tray before attempting to put the module back in.

you can change it in the settings so the upper and lowers are on the same button. people that come over, would never like the 2 button system, so I have it set to one button. Or the game would never get any love here.

I was like. where did you get the mirror side art from...... then realized I never pulled off my cabinet art. I guess if I wanted to go neutral, I can just take the art off completely.

Has anyone ever stacked art on this game? like own multiple art packages and just keep them stacked on the game? Does it work?

plus if you ever need to do arcades, you will want the extra power. You want to have power to spare, not be right on the edge.

yes. I have the same problem. It's a problem with the spring steel. For now, just wait for the ball search to remove it. bending it down, will only solve the problem for a couple of weeks. Only way to solve this for good, is to drill out the rivets, and replace with different spring steel.

mine comes loose too. lock washer is a good idea.

The flipper issue is not due to lack of power. It's from putting the upper and lower flippers on as 1 button configuration. There isn't a delay or EOS break switch, to give a .05 sec delay from when the lower flippers are activated, to give power to the upper flippers. This lack of delay system, overtaxes the system, and causes random flippers to be weak with loss of power. Either on the upswing, causing a ball to knock the flipper down, or a flipper to just not fire at all or seconds after flipping.

if you really want to see it in action. Hit both flippers at the same time constantly, and you will see random flipper activity. (if you have upper and lower set to 1 button).

There are 3 solutions I can see to resolve this problem.
Either program a force delay, with 1 button config. So that the upper flippers do not fire until a 200ms passes from firing the bottom flippers (simulating a EOS switch).
Or have the flippers have manual switch activate when the bottom flippers fire, that activates the top flippers. Sterns early SS iron maiden has this on the flippers. Doesn't do anything else. but the upper flippers will still work normal if you arch over the switch. It's only there to delay the firing of the upper flippers slightly, to stop this from happening.
Or add a 2 stage button to the red buttons as an option.

The thing is. When people come over. Especially non pinball people. They will not like the game if they have to use different flipper buttons for every flipper. I've seen it happen over and over. I want people to give weird Al a chance. Even with 4 flippers on 2 buttons and 1 mini flipper on another. 100% of people cannot get the hang of the mini flipper. They totally forget it about it every time. (casual or non pinball player). WHich isn't a big deal, because it just comes back down to the bottom.

Even if you don't chimp flip. The upper flipper will be weaker than it should. I've seen the flipper get knocked back down when making contact with the ball about 40% or more out in mid flip. Or massive loss in power.

My statement about power loss, didn't mean that low voltage a the house couldn't effect performance. I just ment, that the p3 system isn't have flipper problems due to the flippers not being powerful enough. Flippers have plenty of power. It's just the distribution of power that is the problem.

Now I know you keep wanting p3 to be a multiflipper button setup. But every single person that has come over to my house for tournaments, leagues, and casual play. Have absolutely HATED, multi button play. Hated it. They would never give Weird Al the time of day, nor ever consider buying one with that setup. Hence why I set mine to 1 button and kept it there. and it worked for all my other games. Heist plays no problem with 1 button configuration. I can do everything I need to do. but it is kinda frustrating that the upper flipper spikes with power loss from time to time.

There has to be a solution we can do, to make the duel button users AND the single button users happy, and have the flippers perform flawlessly regardless of which format we use. Power spikes, have been the only issue people have been complaining about. The game is solid, enjoyed, and loved. It's been well received with the 100's that have played mine. But I do need to find a solution to making the single button design, play as good as the 2 button.

exactly this.

I noticed the slight variations in power while I played, but didn't realize why or how until Dan came over to play. When he was playing in multiball, he did a lot of double chimp flipping, and that's when we noticed some of the main or upper flippers, would sometimes not flip at all, or flip halfway. That's when we narrowed it down. So if you want to see the flipper power loss, just chimp flip a lot and you will see it happen.

I don't want people to think anything Negative about the P3 platform. I absolutely LOVE the P3. Ever since Gerry introduced it to expo (before Lexy even existed), I thought it was the most innovative platform ever produced. And Still do. It's the most innovative platform ever made for pinball. So awesome. Weird Al is way better than expected. And I promote the living shit out of P3 to everyone that comes over. Because overall, it's a great system. So my comments about the flipper issues, are not to bash P3. I want those issues resolved. So P3, so it can go from being a good system with some issues. To a great system, with NO issues. I know Gerry really wants to push this multibutton system. But it just won't happen. Many of us have been playing pinball for decades, and still feels out of place. I have lots of people over every month. many that have never been here before. (maybe 50 people a month), and not one of them would give P3 a chance when I had it set on 5 button setup. Not one. They would play 2 or 3 games, and walk off to something like godzilla or Iron maiden. After changing to the 3 button setup. People would stay and play 10, 15, 20 games on it. They loved it, and it could hold it's own against Sterns best. Remember D&D? that game was a failure because you had to use extra buttons to close the side lanes. Not well received at all. Extra buttons for things like lane changes, Shadow diverters, magna saves are different. They are not the main control platform, and not critical if you forget to use them. Flippers are. Upper flippers do NOT get in the way, with single button setup. You can easily drop the flipper fast enough to allow the ball to get past your lane. Plus, if you trap a ball behind the flipper during multiball. It keeps you from trapping with the lower flippers, or you will release your upper trapped ball. The power issue can be resolved with a little engineering. Either with software or hardware. But it NEEDS to be done. The game will be more loved with this change. It will be better for all of us as players, and better for P3. I want P3 to succeed and thrive in every way possible.

do you have single button setup for upper and lower flipper or 2 button setup? This is where you notice a difference.

that's why you are feeling variations in upper flipper strength. That is primary thing we were discussing with power loss.

for your spiral ramp, you want your ramp to be set, as smooth across as possible. Too high and the ball will hop and bounce, and maybe lose more momentum because of the increase in pitch. Too low and you will catch the edge of the next platform. So find that sweet spot. You can fine tune it in the software.

higher number means it extends higher, lower number drops it down. Test in coil/servo test to test it out.

I disagree. it's wayyyy better than games like MB, TOM, JJP GNR, or any JJP game for that matter. It's better than most. Very well done, and a top 3 favorite of people that stop by my house to play.

I tried doing separate buttons, but I have so many random people show up at my house. Nobody would give it more than 2 games with separate buttons. With it set to single button operation. People play 10-15 games instead. Even with the power lag spikes. It's still more appealing with one button config. I'm thinking about trying to build a double stack flipper button setup on the main buttons. So red and white buttons are on the same button. But might mess with diagnostics and other settings that use both buttons. I wish they would just fix it in software, but giving a 1 sec delay to the top flippers when using single button use. that would solve this problem.

yes, 0.1 to 0.5 sec should be sufficient. I believe in manual EOS switches, allow a 0.70 MS gap between upper and lowers.

either or. Double flipper is faster than EOS. Where True EOS is actually like 1.5 sec.

many early SS games have a double stack EOS that activate the upper flippers. I have the early SS Iron Maiden, and they have EOS switches on the lower flippers just for that purpose.

I have to agree. This is one of the reasons alien poker is one of my favorite games. Bummer shots, punish those who play slop.

make sure your spiral ramp exit (at the top) is set right. Someone had it before, where the platform was actually on top of the wire spiral. Made it impossible for the ball to go all the way up.