Oh also for moving the P3: You can lighten the load by removing the playfield module, and if you want to go further, slide out the flipper module, playfield LCD, etc to make moving easier.

That's with the Lexy playfield according to the site.

My god when I moved my p3 I busted a nut and it felt way heavier the any jjp I have moved down stairs and I have moved the all including woz and hobbit but it did have the Heist installed and it is by far the heaviest of the modules.

I did just notice that that P3 pictured doesn't have the back box LCD in it, so that'll add some heft to it too.

Here's the full breakdown on that page:

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edit: already answered.

The issues I see relate primarily to the price, and the way the modular "swap in a new game" functionality can be seen to give better value and offset the upfront cost. Yeah, you can buy Heist, Lexy, Cosmic Cart Racing and Weird Al but you are still locked into one playable game at a time. So if the Cabinet/Platform plus 2 modules is roughly the same as 2 Stern Pros (as I heard on a recent Fliptronic Heist stream) you still only have the earning potential of a single Stern Pro. So cost-to-earnings is obviously going to suffer. I hear you on the way some locations have LEs and for them this consideration might not be of concern but it seems to me that Pros (or equivalent) are the primary location game AND the best cost-to-earnings out there.

It seems fairly obvious that P3s business model better suits the home market and I don't think that is too controversial to say. I don't want anyone to take my comments as a knock against P3, I want them to succeed, I want to own one, but first I want to be able to actually try one.

And if the module is Heist, there's your extra 16.

And is that with or without the 15 balls in there.

In any case, sliding either of them is likely to do you injury.

I'd figure an operator would sell off the old module once it's done earning, similar to video game kits in the 80s that put new games in old cabinets. The ability to refresh a game with a lower upfront cost could be appealing to an operator from that perspective.

I don't think you can't buy the empty cab without a module so I would say it includes the module?

Oh and BTW WOZ weighs 395 lbs. Someone in here says that P3 is heavier than that.

You are locked into a single playfield layout until you swap, but there are multiple games which are available on every playfield module. Some games also work with all modules.

KevInBuffalo
How is your playfield lexan holding up after a year plus of owning it? Any fog/haze issues?

You forgot a version:

It's holding up great. I occasionally slide it out of the machine, give it a wipedown and then back in it goes. You'll see ball trails on it over time like any other playfield but being able to pull it out makes it way easier to clean.

Isn't it something where you can just polish them with headlight cleaning kits? Doesn't seem that bad of an issue and if you scratch it bad, just get a new replacement. I just see there's a whole different design limitation that a P3 creates while at the same time opening possibilities with its design. But at least your more heavily worn area of the playfield is an easy to swap piece of plastic vs undoing a whole playfield.

I just clean it with Novus 1 (2 if there is more dirt or any scratches to buff out). But yeah you could just replace the whole polycarb piece too if you wanted. Beats doing a playfield swap after you drop a screwdriver on it or something.

Got me stuffed, mines only got a few plays and it's scratched to the shithouse. Novus1 doesn't seem to touch it.

Mine looks scratched also but you can’t see it when it’s on so I don’t care.

Funny, stands out on mine.

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Exactly.
IIRC; Gerry has stated in his Q&A sessions at seminars that their Prototype units on the floor has the same piece of polycarbonate in it.
Yes; when the game is off - they look beat to hell.
When they are on and in game; you just don't notice it.

Me; I don't notice it but wouldn't be concerned at all about going to lowes and getting a replacement rather than trying to sand/polish out the scratches.

I also have voodoo glass on mine and play in a dark room.

He tried to get Prince several times. It was so bad that they appeared at one event together and Prince's lawyers sent Al a letter telling him to not talk or look at Prince.

Prince had some great albums, but he was a prick.

That HAS to be a typo somewhere. My experience was the same. Hobbit was really heavy. But the P3 is REALLY heavy. Some of it could be a weight distribution thing, but damn this thing just feels like a tank.

Time to get out the scales!

They both qualify as hernia-inducing, which is all you really need to know.

Handled both and don't believe it - the P3 is crazy heavy

Reckon they will sell more now that there is no new Stern game until August.

Wall of money has to go somewhere!

ah, I guess it is in the works but not implemented yet.

I think folks are misinterepting this Stern announcement.

They are still building and selling pinball machines. They are just reducing the year's new releases by one, i suppose to help "catch up," which is what a lot of folks here have been begging for. Not sure how this benefits anybody else.

It does help a bit with the people who just want to chase the latest and greatest. One less of them for the year.

Games revealed before 2022 are for the hoi polloi

Here’s the weight from my shipping invoice. This is on the palette in the box with the Heist playfield (the heaviest one to date), the backbox monitor and all. So, that’s in line with the diagram above.

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I hope one of these pops up on location in the Denver area or at a pinball show, I'd love to give it a spin!

Noted! I'll keep an eye out in HACKS to see when it lands.

Funny. I don’t see anything that equates to “scratched to the shit house” in that pic

I must be a fucking liar then, hey?

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Have you tried polishing it out, or is it to deep?

I don't see the point unless you want to damage it. The machine has only a few plays on it, doubt there's 200 games on it, didn't work for the first few months i owned it. It looked like this after a few dozen plays and Novus 1 doesn't seem to have any affect on it despite the advice above. I have polished lexan before on a little screen i made for my boat and it totally trashed it.

As said above it's not so bad when the machine is on, but as i tried to show in my pic, it's certainly not invisible from the players perspective, it makes it look cloudy and the larger scratches can be seen.

Has P3 said if they’re going to be at TPF? Would love to play one.

Gerry will be there so I’d assume P3 will have a booth as the6 usually do.

Does anyone in Canada have experience with buying a P3 from the US? What was shipping like? Can you at least buy the modules in Canada?

The lexan surface is a consumable. Just like PF rubber. Just like Coil Sleeves. Nothing to see here; move on.
Unless; of course, you'd rather the ball roll on the LCD panel and you'd have to replace the whole monitor.

This feels like "are PF dimples" normal conversations. Nothing stands up to a Steel ball; not even another Steel ball.

So they sell the surface? How hard is it to replace?

Idk IF multimorphic sells them directly.
Gerry has said in multiple seminars that you can buy it from Lowes or home Depot in the cut to size department. I suspect you can get 2-3 playfield sheets from a single 24x48inch sheet.

I have no doubt this is true because I've bought 0.25 lexan from them before for other applications.

There will be one on location in Lafayette soon.

And this is the best part about it, not having to go through speciality suppliers.

Yeah, as zitt stated it’s like $40? At a big box store to get a new one. It absolutely does get scratched and that’s 100% normal and expected. With the lcd off it’s very noticeable but as soon as you power up it should mostly become ‘invisible’. Never bothered me, but if it did $40 is a drop in he bucket and it takes maybe 5 minutes to slide out and slide a new one in.

Here's the detail on replacing that plastic on the P3:

I couldn't find the plastic in Multimorphic's store nor could I find detailed measurements in their tech support documenteds.
I suspect this is simply an oversight and they'll get the information on their site.

Multimorphic's Weird Al's Museum of Natural Hilarity revealed, all details here https://www.pinball-magazine.com/?p=4407

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