I agree with most comments above. The internet makes the whole pin market a more connected place than it used to be. Machines are cross posted on 3-4 sites and sometimes sellers don't respond to or remove obsolete listings-esp. on Mr. Pinball. I liked the Pynball site and was sad to see it go, just when it was gaining some traction. Craigslist still has a deal now and then, but needs constant checking to be first in line. The 'hobby' has become so popular it has gotten very competitive. I wrote hobby in quotes because it seems like many of the new people are simply looking to make a buck with flipping games. Sorry to get off topic, but I think that's why deals are hard to find on any site.