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Mr. and Mrs. Pac Man fell on hard times!


By 72Devilz

18 days ago



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    #1 18 days ago

    I was tipped off to this Mr. and Mrs. Pac Man being sold along with a 1962/1963 Seeburg LPC-1 on Facebook yesterday and picked up the Pinball machine last night and Jukebox later today. The MPU in the machine has severe acid damage and will be replaced with a new aftermarket MPU and hopefully will get this machine back and functioning. The playfield has seen far better days and the people I bought it from weren't educated on care and maintenance and played it to death. Hopefully I will come across a marginal to decent playfield but in the meantime I will be diving in head first with my brushes and paints to see what justice I can do to this $150 find as it will be the biggest playfield paint repair job I've taken on yet! Wish me luck!

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    #2 18 days ago

    Good luck.
    I have touched up many playfields and used many techniques.
    I would get a magnifying visor and put in the strongest lenses.
    You can do your touch ups in close up range so when you step back they look great.
    Also by some low tack frisket and spray the larger areas either with an airbrush or a rattle can spray bomb.

    Get latex paints at the craft store to limit your mixing.
    Good luck and when it starts to be a chore or you start making mistakes, stop and go back tomorrow.

    #3 18 days ago
    Quoted from PinballAir:

    Good luck.
    I have touched up many playfields and used many techniques.
    I would get a magnifying visor and put in the strongest lenses.
    You can do your touch ups in close up range so when you step back they look great.
    Also by some low tack frisket and spray the larger areas either with an airbrush or a rattle can spray bomb.
    Get latex paints at the craft store to limit your mixing.
    Good luck and when it starts to be a chore or you start making mistakes, stop and go back tomorrow.

    I got myself a pair of 6.0 readers just for this job. I expect many long winter nights working on this one! It’s been awhile since I’ve had a good project, so glad I came across this one and hope I can do right by it! Here’s my last big project. Most of the rail gun was gone and half of the cityscape and tire tracks around the Spot Letter W/L and right hand ball lock was down to bare wood. Spent a good 10 hours on this one.

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    #4 18 days ago

    Here’s what she looks like after the first wipe down with Naptha. Looks a lot better and the colors are still vibrant. No flaking of paint during wipe down which is a very good sign!

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    #5 17 days ago

    It definitely has a ton of potential.
    This Trident was my first real touch-up effort.

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    #6 17 days ago
    Quoted from PinballAir:

    It definitely has a ton of potential.
    This Trident was my first real touch-up effort.[quoted image][quoted image]

    Nice work!

    #8 17 days ago

    Looking forward to more pics of progress.

    #9 16 days ago
    Quoted from Mitch:

    Looking forward to more pics of progress.

    Me too.

    #10 16 days ago

    First things first, install new MPU check, reflow lamp driver due to bad header connections check. Lamps working sans a couple bad maze bulbs. Now onto the Squawk & Talk board to isolate half the missing game sounds (all speech appears to be intact but only a few sounds, pretty much all default basic sounds are missing, custom sounds to this game seem to be intact) mixing pots good, suspect a cap kit is in order. We’re making progress!
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    #11 14 days ago

    Testing all the lamp sockets and experimenting with some LED bulbs and whoa this Bally with its slow refresh is a seizure inducing strobe machine, even the original 44’s and 47’s strobe! Worked on lots of Williams and Gottlieb and have never seen this level of strobe before. Going to be installing 470 ohm resistors across the controlled sockets to tone it down a bit. I’ll also say that these 555 sockets Bally used are a huge PITA!

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    #12 14 days ago

    I installed LEDs, some colored, and used 750 Ohm resistors on the controlled lamps. It worked like a charm.

    Kids love this game and it is doing well on route.

    Yes, the 555 lamps are hard to get out and hard to get in - PITA as you say.

    I would suggest that you take a look at this LED PAC-Maze board to replace the original:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1064-geeteoh-electronics/00693-led-pac-maze-printed-circuit-board

    There are 5x5 positions on the Pac-Maze board. Each position has two incandescent lamps, one with a red condom and one with a yellow condom. That’s 50 lamps. At one buck plus each, you can begin to see the value of the Geeteoh LED board. And you won’t have to worry about those pesky condoms or replacing burned out incandescent lamps ever again.

    I replaced the Bally flippers with Williams, kept the originals for the purists, and it greatly improved the speed, accuracy and fun of the game.

    I wasn’t that impressed with the game play when I first got it. But with the mods I did and after learning how to work the Pac-Maze, this has become a keeper.

    #13 14 days ago

    First test coat on the maze, we will see how this looks after it sets and gets buffed out.

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    #14 14 days ago

    A few more color test coats, just getting started. It won’t be perfect but it should pass the 5 foot rule when it’s all complete!
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    #15 14 days ago

    Looks great! This will be a fun thread to follow!

    #16 13 days ago

    More black fill in and cutting in some lines.

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    #17 13 days ago

    Lower black above PF display cut in. That’s enough for today.

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    #18 13 days ago

    For a game that doesn't get much love on Pinside, the few Mr. & Mrs. Pac-Man playfields I have seen are always blown out. This game must have been very popular in the day. My playfield looked a lot like yours but with more wear on the lower playfield and less on the top. I did a quick and dirty touch-up job on mine, just enough to get it routed. I'm a little bit embarrassed at how it turned out.

    Looking good so far! Looking forward to seeing your progress.

    #19 13 days ago
    Quoted from Pecos:

    For a game that doesn't get much love on Pinside, the few Mr. & Mrs. Pac-Man playfields I have seen are always blown out. This game must have been very popular in the day. My playfield looked a lot like yours but with more wear on the lower playfield and less on the top. I did a quick and dirty touch-up job on mine, just enough to get it routed. I'm a little bit embarrassed at how it turned out.
    Looking good so far! Looking forward to seeing your progress.

    That middle portion above the Pac direction inserts is going to be a real challenge to get right and color match since it’s completely down to bare wood. I would have preferred the middle around the maze to be shot. Oh well, the price was right and I like a good challenge and I have lots.... well a bit of free time.

    #20 13 days ago
    Quoted from 72Devilz:

    That middle portion above the Pac direction inserts is going to be a real challenge to get right and color match since it’s completely down to bare wood.

    You might want to read this and learn from my mistakes:

    http://www.pecospinball.com/aztec_playfield_restoration.shtml

    Pics of my 'quick and dirty' Mr. & Mrs. Pac-Man touch-ups here:

    http://pecospinball.com/

    #21 12 days ago

    Squawk & Talk rebuild kit arrived today and I just finished swapping out all those Caps. We have the full sound set, now I can move all my attention on to the paint and mechanical portion of this restoration!

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    #22 10 days ago

    Huh, I knew everyone called it a squawk and talk but I never realized it was printed on the board !
    Keep up the good work.

    #23 10 days ago

    great job so far!

    #24 7 days ago

    Blue fill first coat.

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    #25 7 days ago

    Coming along very nicely.
    Keep up the good work.

    #26 6 days ago

    PAC MAN yellow match and fill coat 1

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    #27 6 days ago

    Coming along very nicely!

    #28 6 days ago

    A little more black and sidewalk fill. Penciled myself some guidelines for the missing portion of the buildings. Just need my acrylite pens to get here so I can work the tiny details.

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    #29 4 days ago

    Coming along great.
    Are you going to clear it?

    #30 4 days ago
    Quoted from PinballAir:

    Coming along great.
    Are you going to clear it?

    Note sure yet. My other two repairs (also done with enamels) have held up extremely well for the past 5 or so years under light play so I may let this one ride and see how it holds up. It all depends on how smooth I can get the repaired spots. This is coming along much better than I expected but I’m not done yet!

    #31 4 days ago

    My ink pens arrived today and I was able to work on the middle arrows detail, some miscellaneous lower playfield fill and detail, upper ghost face detail, reconstruct Pac Mans right hand and test some outlines. My headlamp finally died and I’ll take that as my cue to stop for the night.

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    #32 3 days ago

    Are you airbrushing or hand painting the big areas?

    #33 3 days ago
    Quoted from 72Devilz:

    My ink pens arrived today and I was able to work on the middle arrows detail, some miscellaneous lower playfield fill and detail, upper ghost face detail, reconstruct Pac Mans right hand and test some outlines. My headlamp finally died and I’ll take that as my cue to stop for the night.[quoted image][quoted image]

    Can you snap a photo of how you have it isolated when you are painting it? Its looking nice and I am curious what it looks like mid way

    #34 3 days ago
    Quoted from Murphdom:

    Are you airbrushing or hand painting the big areas?

    Hand painting and using a magic eraser to smooth out the layers. There wasn't too much large area with missing solid color otherwise I would have airbrushed it. After initial cleaning and rub down with naptha and magic eraser I opted to keep what paint remained and dealing with trying to color match and get the paint through the airbrush before it started to thicken was something I didn't want to deal with.

    Quoted from topkat:

    Can you snap a photo of how you have it isolated when you are painting it? Its looking nice and I am curious what it looks like mid way

    I only mask off with light tac masking tape when I need to make long straight lines like the sidewalks, arrow triangle and black arrows extending from P A C M A N inserts. Other than that everything has been freehand with magic eraser smoothing after cure and between coats. The enamel cures very quick and I am able to smooth it within 15 minutes. The only problem with masking over the checked remaining paint is that sometimes spreads out in the area where the original paint is missing, just makes for a little extra cleanup during detail. This repair is nowhere near perfection but it is passing the 5' rule and it should hold up for many years to come or until I find a replacement PF or overlay. Color matching has been the toughest part of this job so far. Due to the condition of this play field I've done a little more experimentation compared to the other not so extensive jobs I've done, I figured the play field was blown out to begin with and the machine was only $150 with just under $250 invested in getting it functional so I don't have much to loose and I might as well have fun and learn a few things from my mistakes!

    #35 3 days ago

    Are you going to put something on it to protect the paint?

    #36 3 days ago
    Quoted from Rondogg:

    Are you going to put something on it to protect the paint?

    I've been throwing around the idea of clear coat but since I have been using primarily all enamels which have held up extremely well on my other machines going on more than 5 years I may leave it which will allow me to better my work and color matching down the road. I'm still on the fence.

    #37 3 days ago
    Quoted from PinballAir:

    Huh, I knew everyone called it a squawk and talk but I never realized it was printed on the board !
    Keep up the good work.

    True story. S&T was based on Texas Instruments, "Speak and Spell". Lance Chantry derived the name "Squawk and Talk" from that and emblazed it on the board in his preferred 'Stop' font.

    #38 3 days ago
    Quoted from 72Devilz:

    Hand painting and using a magic eraser to smooth out the layers. There wasn't too much large area with missing solid color otherwise I would have airbrushed it. After initial cleaning and rub down with naptha and magic eraser I opted to keep what paint remained and dealing with trying to color match and get the paint through the airbrush before it started to thicken was something I didn't want to deal with.

    I only mask off with light tac masking tape when I need to make long straight lines like the sidewalks, arrow triangle and black arrows extending from P A C M A N inserts. Other than that everything has been freehand with magic eraser smoothing after cure and between coats. The enamel cures very quick and I am able to smooth it within 15 minutes. The only problem with masking over the checked remaining paint is that sometimes spreads out in the area where the original paint is missing, just makes for a little extra cleanup during detail. This repair is nowhere near perfection but it is passing the 5' rule and it should hold up for many years to come or until I find a replacement PF or overlay. Color matching has been the toughest part of this job so far. Due to the condition of this play field I've done a little more experimentation compared to the other not so extensive jobs I've done, I figured the play field was blown out to begin with and the machine was only $150 with just under $250 invested in getting it functional so I don't have much to loose and I might as well have fun and learn a few things from my mistakes!


    Nice work. Good idea using the ME

    #39 3 days ago
    Quoted from 72Devilz:

    other machines going on more than 5 years

    I did a Big Brave that way.
    Nothing to protect the touch ups.
    10 years and nearly 3000 plays and it did well. It did start to deteriorate by the time I sold it but still looked much better than it did when I got it.

    #40 3 days ago
    Quoted from BigAl56:

    S&T was based on Texas Instruments, "Speak and Spell".

    I have not owned a Bally SS from that period.
    Interesting story.
    My 6$ man has the board before the S & T.

    #41 3 days ago
    Quoted from BigAl56:

    True story. S&T was based on Texas Instruments, "Speak and Spell". Lance Chantry derived the name "Squawk and Talk" from that and emblazed it on the board in his preferred 'Stop' font.

    That’s cool info! Everyone remembers the speak and spell... funny bc I wondered where they came up with sqwak and talk.. an unusual name

    #42 3 days ago

    More progress done tonight. Partially painted in missing building artwork above direction arrows, painted in sidewalk face, detailed P A C M A N inserts and part of the Maze inserts.

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    #43 3 days ago

    So when you are doing free hand do you have an iPad with a zoomed photo?
    It looks really

    #44 3 days ago
    Quoted from topkat:

    So when you are doing free hand do you have an iPad with a zoomed photo?
    It looks really

    Yes I have a reference photo to work from. It’s not exact particularly around the PAC-MAN inserts where all the artwork was missing but it’s close enough that the casual eye won’t notice it while playing when it’s done. This painting has been almost meditative for me, according to my Apple Watch my pulse slows almost to resting pace while painting!

    #45 2 days ago

    Finished the maze insert detail, detailed The 5 Pac Man men remaining inserts, more city paint and detail tonight as well as adding hands and fingers of Mr and Mrs Pac Man above the Playfield status display. Only a couple colors left.

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    #46 2 days ago

    Looks Amazing. Very nice!!!

    #47 2 days ago

    That’s looks really nice. I have a pac man with wear And someone put Mylar over it instead of touch ups then Mylar.

    Keep up the great work, and you will get the health benefits of meditation as well

    #48 2 days ago
    Quoted from topkat:That’s looks really nice. I have a pac man with wear And someone put Mylar over it instead of touch ups then Mylar.

    I have a Space Shuttle that while it has an un damaged playfield it has really bad ball swirls
    and one of the prior owner(s) installed Mylar without giving it a proper cleaning. I’d love to get it back to its original luster but I fear I’d cause more damage trying to remove the Mylar so I’ve decided to just leave it. Sounds like yours was done by an operator to mitigate wear while squeezing the last bit of profit out of it. What a shame to Mylar over a checked play field. /smh

    #49 18 hours ago

    Missing artwork has been recreated and completed. Now I can concentrate on the lower playfield, detail and the missing lettering.

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    #50 16 hours ago

    I really enjoy this game, of the poor games listed in the cellar of the inside 100, strangely they made more pacman then any other ones.
    The theme must have carried it.
    The pac maze for me is no more distracting than the video modes in the newer games

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