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Moving a machine up stairs alone... my solution.


By Timerider

5 years ago



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    #1 5 years ago

    Sometimes (most times) friends seem to be "unavailable" when you need to carry a machine up from the basement.
    I'm too much of an out-of-shape weakling to use a dolly by myself and tried an Escalara once... was not comfortable with it.

    So I went all redneck "Hey honey, hold my beer & watch this!" in designing a system.

    I already had the Harbor Freight electric winch (700lbs rating). Mounted to two 2x6's nailed together, and then laid across a doorway opposite the stairwell.

    Made two 2x6 channels, connected by 2x4 cross-members, which also keeps the assy from sliding down the stairs. It's all screwed together, so it can be stored away when not needed.

    The "sled" has 2" rubber wheels that ride in the channel tracks. It has a steel L channel bracket that the back of the machine rests against. Plus the wheels allow the sled to be rolled around as needed.

    I'll refine the design down the road... but for now, here was a video of bring up the first machine. (ST25 prepping for Expo)

    (yes... I know I'm lucky to have straight-shot stairs, wide open landing and doorway directly opposite.)

    #2 5 years ago

    That's awesome. What is it anchored to upstairs? I'd be afraid of ripping out a door frame or something. But well done, sir!

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    #3 5 years ago

    And this is what sets us apart from the apes. Well done!

    #4 5 years ago

    Pretty neat! I probably would have tried with a less expensive machine my first go-around "just in case".

    #5 5 years ago

    Redneck? More like F**KING GENIUS if you ask me!

    #6 5 years ago

    I'm sending this to a friend. He has really bad back issues to the point where he is bed ridden some days, so carrying pins is not in his cards.

    #7 5 years ago

    Pretty cool. Just curious...What about the Escalera made you feel uncomfortable? How long for setup and takedown when you want to move a machine?

    #8 5 years ago
    Quoted from wxforecaster:

    Redneck? More like F**KING GENIUS if you ask me!

    Yeah,
    Redneck would be you pulling up the machine manually while your wife and kids pushed on the bottom for added support when you needed to take a chug of your beer.

    #9 5 years ago

    have you thought about what happens during a failure. that would be a the next step. maybe a ratchet system in the middle. last thing u want is a pin rolling backwards down the stairs and crashing at the bottom

    #10 5 years ago

    I'd probably get a remote controlled winch and ride it up, but that's just me.

    #11 5 years ago
    Quoted from swampfire:

    That's awesome. What is it anchored to upstairs? I'd be afraid of ripping out a door frame or something. But well done, sir!

    That's exactly what I was wondering too.

    Looks good though. That's dedication.

    #12 5 years ago
    Quoted from Timerider:

    and tried an Escalara once... was not comfortable with it.

    Honestly... I think you should have given the Escalara a few more tries. I brought mine up and down stairs with no load when I first got it, then put a machine on and went up and down one step a few times until I got the feel of it. After about a 1/2 hour brought my first game up and never looked back.

    Yes yours works but that is a lot of setup (I tend to be lazy )

    Have you sent a game down with that rig yet?

    #13 5 years ago
    Quoted from Mamushka:

    Honestly... I think you should have given the Escalara a few more tries.

    This is true. It is all about balancing the load. Once that is mastered it is easy-peasy

    #14 5 years ago

    I imagine the sled ride back down the stairs is a blast.

    #15 5 years ago

    Impressive! But for the occasional time when you need to move a pin out of a basement by yourself, I've found it much easier to just separate it into 4 parts: lower cab, head, playfield, playfield glass. The only hard part to move is the lower cab, but using the reinstalled lockdown bar as a handle, and pulling it up one step at a time, it's awkward but totally doable. This is obviously easier with older pins, but even the ones that fold down can be done pretty quickly, without all the effort of building sleds and hoping that winches jammed in doorways don't pull studs down.

    #16 5 years ago

    Going down is a breeze.
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    #17 5 years ago

    For safety, lay a heavy chain over the cable so if it breaks, the cable will drop.
    Pretty cool, I was going to build something similar if my new house didn't have a walkout basement.

    #18 5 years ago

    Scott Farrar built a system exactly like this more than 10 years ago - and it worked well then, so I'm sure it works well now!

    #19 5 years ago

    Thats a lot of trust in Harbor Freight....

    #20 5 years ago

    How soon will you have these for sale?

    #21 5 years ago
    Quoted from ShaunoftheDead:

    Thats a lot of trust in Harbor Freight....

    utt oh, I have a harbor freight modified lift pinball dolly. No genius here, I copied the idea.

    #22 5 years ago

    Love it. Great idea. Wish my setup here at home would lend itself to this idea. I'm jealous. Great idea!!g

    #24 5 years ago

    Just need to add some flashing lights for effect.

    #25 5 years ago

    While slightly more labor intensive, I have moved pins up and down stairs solo by just laying them on a sheet of cardboard and putting my shoulder into it from the bottom end. It's not as bad as it might sound.

    #26 5 years ago
    Quoted from busa32927:

    have you thought about what happens during a failure. that would be a the next step. maybe a ratchet system in the middle. last thing u want is a pin rolling backwards down the stairs and crashing at the bottom

    Yes... that was the plan for version 2.0. (like a board on hinges hanging down to catch on the stairs maybe)

    #27 5 years ago
    Quoted from simplykind:

    Pretty neat! I probably would have tried with a less expensive machine my first go-around "just in case".

    I did test a few times with empty cabinets, etc... but I was still nervous as hell.

    #28 5 years ago
    Quoted from Timerider:

    So I went all redneck "Hey honey, hold my beer & watch this!" in designing a system.

    Hahaha your system is very well thought out! Redneck would have been placing the pin on an old snow sled and attaching the cable up through a window and to the bumper of your riding lawn mower or ATV!

    Makes me wonder what old Red Green would have done?

    #29 5 years ago
    Quoted from TomN:

    Pretty cool. Just curious...What about the Escalera made you feel uncomfortable? How long for setup and takedown when you want to move a machine?

    I rented a 66" last year, and brought my High Roller Casino up by myself.
    I know there's a learning curve... but I just felt extremely unstable with it. The Escalara definitely made it possible.. but even my 252 over-weight pounds had a very tough time overcoming the dolly's desire to tilt away from me every time it grabbed the next step.
    Scared the crap out of me.

    It's all screwed together... so just a few minutes to setup/teardown. That frickin' electric winch is like carrying two WPC power transformers.

    #30 5 years ago
    Quoted from swampfire:

    That's awesome. What is it anchored to upstairs? I'd be afraid of ripping out a door frame or something. But well done, sir!

    The dual 2x6 the winch is bolted to, spans across two sets of joints on each side (it's about 18-19" on either side).
    And I have the photos from when the house was built new, and know that the doorways are double-studded as well. Plus the one wall actually is butted perpendicular to the closet wall too.
    I'm (semi) confident.

    #31 5 years ago
    Quoted from Mamushka:

    Have you sent a game down with that rig yet?

    Ask me after Chicago Expo.

    #32 5 years ago
    Quoted from Timerider:

    I know there's a learning curve... but I just felt extremely unstable with it. The Escalara definitely made it possible.. but even my 252 over-weight pounds had a very tough time overcoming the dolly's desire to tilt away from me every time it grabbed the next step.
    Scared the crap out of me.

    Agree, used a stair climber to move 3 machines and hated it--had some close calls. I figured out a method for going down stairs easy with a regular dolly...the up is the problem, unless it's an EM that I can take apart in to 3 pieces...then no issues.

    #33 5 years ago

    Damn straight, Skippy!

    #34 5 years ago

    I absolutely hate moving heavy crap. I almost died moving a ms pacman machine, and straight dropped a desk worth ~$20k last week.

    #35 5 years ago
    Quoted from Betelgeuse:

    While slightly more labor intensive, I have moved pins up and down stairs solo by just laying them on a sheet of cardboard and putting my shoulder into it from the bottom end. It's not as bad as it might sound.

    You over-looked my confession of "out-of-shape weakling". (plus sciatica)

    #36 5 years ago
    Quoted from Space_Pimp:

    Hahaha your system is very well thought out! Redneck would have been placing the pin on an old snow sled and attaching the cable up through a window and to the bumper of your riding lawn mower or ATV!
    Makes me wonder what old Red Green would have done?

    Now you tell me!!! I couldn't mounted a couple pulleys thru the house, and cabled it to my John Deere riding mower!!
    Doh!

    #37 5 years ago

    My solution is to never bring a pin up or down stairs again

    But if necessary/desired then this is a genius solution. Great job!

    #38 5 years ago

    Very nice!
    It was alittle hard to see how the wire was attached to the sled.
    If it was attached to the yellow strap I would be more concerned of the tension to the back of the cabinet from the yellow strap.

    #39 5 years ago

    I just use a reefer dolly with proper sliding tracks.
    Lift and pull until complete, rest if you need to, and if you have a center landing it makes it a bit easier.

    #40 5 years ago
    Quoted from SealClubber:

    For safety, lay a heavy chain over the cable so if it breaks, the cable will drop

    Heavy jacket or pair of jeans wrapped around the middle of the cable will also work to avoid the whipping action of a break.

    #41 5 years ago
    Quoted from ullsokken:

    Very nice!
    It was alittle hard to see how the wire was attached to the sled.
    If it was attached to the yellow strap I would be more concerned of the tension to the back of the cabinet from the yellow strap.

    I had one green strap horizontally wrapped front to back, and the yellow strap the same. And the winch cable looped around both at the front-center.
    I had not actually considered stress on the cabinet. I was more worried if I tried connecting/tying to the "sled" itself, that might pull away thru the 5/8" plywood.
    You figure machines sit in storage for decades on their backs with minimal damage... a little tow on wheels (for the most part), shouldn't be too bad.

    #42 5 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    I just use a reefer dolly with proper sliding tracks.
    Lift and pull until complete, rest if you need to, and if you have a center landing it makes it a bit easier.

    Again... completely worthless weakling here. I've tried appliance dolly with tracks... I personally cannot budge a modern machine up the first stair.
    (9 foot basement ceilings too... adds a couple extra stairs for completing the heart attack) (I know... 1st-World Problems.)

    #43 5 years ago

    I almost built this same setup at my old location. I had drawn up the plan and had started reinforcing the stairs for the tracks, when we got kicked out (after 19 years). Glad to know the concept works. Killer baby. Nice job. In my design I was going to attach the cable to the sled and strap the machine to the sled with hooks along the sides.

    But I just moved a Gottlieb World Fair up the stairs at the new place by my (130 lb) lonesome. Head first. Easy. Take out the play field and carry it up. Strap the cab to a dolly and kachunk it on up.

    I know that won't work with those newfangled dmd machines you kids have, but...

    #44 5 years ago

    Having moved hundreds of pins, vids, jukes,gun safes,tvs etc with the Escalera, I would be glad to teach anyone how to use the Escalera. Stop by my booth at Expo and I'll let you try one out on our stairs

    #45 5 years ago

    I went with the hire two oafs to lift it up your spiral staircase, watch them fail because it would take epic strength to lift it over the rail the whole way up, and then leave the games downstairs approach. Spiral staircases pwn my house, recommendation?

    #46 5 years ago
    Quoted from Timerider:

    Again... completely worthless weakling here. I've tried appliance dolly with tracks... I personally cannot budge a modern machine up the first stair.
    (9 foot basement ceilings too... adds a couple extra stairs for completing the heart attack) (I know... 1st-World Problems.)

    Any local pinheads around?
    we normally would help, instead of applying mechanical engineering.
    Definately never just use two people to dead carry a machine up or down stairs, it makes backs go out.

    #47 5 years ago

    www.lectrotruck.com

    #48 5 years ago

    I also have no one to help me which sucks...my kids are only 2 and 1, and my wife won't do it...i usually have to try and call a neighbor and I'm at their mercy...ugh it sucks...and i don't want to have to take apart an entire game just to get it down the steps and rebuild it...seems like to much work lol

    #49 5 years ago

    Why not just use a 2 wheeler???

    #50 5 years ago

    I dropped a treadmill down our basement stairs 13 years ago - I don't know what the hell I thought I was doing. No ropes or anything, I was just going to stand behind it and lower it down. The treadmill still works fine, but there are beat-down marks on the stairs.

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