RBION
The Shadow
Batman Forever
Quoted from someoneelse:RBION
The Shadow
Batman Forever
As the owner of a BF, it is not under valued. Don't get me wrong I really love the machine which is why I just bought it for the second time.
Problems with BF:
DE let's flash the flashers to let you know multiball is ready.
Airballs
Catastrophically expensive DMD.
System 3 speaker Hum
Cheap as sin gun handle
Based on one of the worst Batman movies.
Batnipples
Repetitive callouts
Now there are options. The speaker hum can be fixed with some work. The DMD can be replaced with an lcd now. I wish someone would design an alternate translite to get rid of those batnipples.
Quoted from dung:As the owner of a BF, it is not under valued. Don't get me wrong I really love the machine which is why I just bought it for the second time.
Problems with BF:
DE let's flash the flashers to let you know multiball is ready.
Airballs
Catastrophically expensive DMD.
System 3 speaker Hum
Cheap as sin gun handle
Based on one of the worst Batman movies.
Batnipples
Repetitive callouts
Now there are options. The speaker hum can be fixed with some work. The DMD can be replaced with an lcd now. I wish someone would design an alternate translite to get rid of those batnipples.
I get where you're heading, but to some extent the problems people have with the theme (Batnipples, BF being the worst Batman, etc.) are exactly one of the main points making pins undervalued. Just look at the Shadow translite...or the RBION theme that's more or less unknown over here in Europe. You can get a RBION in great shape surprisingly cheap in EU, in relation much cheaper than in the US.
I actually don't even like BF soooo much, but i'm always surprised by how extremely cheap they trade given the gameplay they offer. It's also a pretty impressive machine if you're standing in front of it.
And i just love that flasher-show in a dark room!
Quoted from someoneelse:I get where you're heading, but to some extent the problems people have with the theme (Batnipples, BF being the worst Batman, etc.) are exactly one of the main points making pins undervalued. Just look at The Shadow translite...or the RBION theme that's more or less unknown over here in Europe. You can get a RBION in great shape surprisingly cheap in EU, in relation much cheaper than in the US.
I actually don't even like BF soooo much, but i'm always surprised by how extremely cheap they trade given the gameplay they offer. It's also a pretty impressive machine if you're standing in front of it.
And i just love that flasher-show in a dark room!
That is the thing though. It is not undervalued if the theme detracts from the value. The price has crept up a little over the years. I will be honest and say I paid a little too much for mine given the condition, but I bought it with the intention of keeping.
Quoted from Freeplay40:Almost any Williams System 11's. Great play and very reliable. These will soon be going the way of Fathoms and Centaurs.
I'm not too sure about that. Way more of them available. The artwork on Fathom and Centaur is usually the selling point anyway, but I agree that Fathom and Centaur/II sell for more than they should, and I'm even selling my Centaur II right now, I am not afraid to admit that. The availability is what drove prices up on those I think. With 12,000 Pinbots made, it should technically be around 4-5 times easier to find one of those than a Centaur or Fathom in good shape and later release date. That'll definitely slash the price in 1/2 at least.
Some of the Sys11 games are so-so there in comparison art-wise to those two. Others are gorgeous (Python Anghelo love here).
Another vote for WPT. Picked one up recently and it's a great game for the price. Deep rules, fun layout, drop targets galore, two games in one (drop target poker vs ramps Hold'em). Ton's of value here.
WCS94 - Broad appeal, fun shots, simple rules but never gets old to defeat Germany in the final. Good tournament pin also with even scoring.
Have to totally agree with STTNG also. Overall I rank it as the #1 pin of all time. Theme integration that is the best ever (yes it tops LOTR in this regard). The only pin that might come close on theme integration might be TBL but it will still be missing the custom speech from the actors. It really smokes everything in it's price range and even pins costing 2x as much.....IMHO.
Quoted from o-din:Judge Dredd is a $1400 game folks. But soon to be an $1800 game, once color DMD kicks down.
Is this the only post you have about JD? Over and over and over and ....
Baywatch is a terrific pinball machine. So many ramps, wire forms, VUK, Shark flipper, video modes, unique ball trap with the guard tower, huge DMD and fun modes.
Tell you what, anyone under 25 really has no idea what Baywatch is. Take it as face value, and it's a great Coast Guard/Rescue theme with plenty of tits.
Quoted from Collin:Most early Ba SS games other than Centaur and Fathom are underpriced in my mind.
A lot of older game to me at least look beautiful but the game play is kind of shallow in comparison to newer stuff.
Quoted from Det_Deckard:A lot of older game to me at least look beautiful but the game play is kind of shallow in comparison to newer stuff.
Sometimes, it's fun to not have to think about modes and just play pinball.
Agreed, I have seen a few SF2 go for under 1,000. Sure the DMD animations suck but the game is a challenge with precision skill needed for a big score.
I saw another for HMM. I'd say every Bally 6803 is undervalued. All original themes, most have original layouts. All fun. You get alot of machine for 400-800 bucks!
If the system 80's weren't so finicky I am sure they would be valued more.
Time Machine for sure! Great game, noone loves the Data East games though...
Quoted from o-din:Judge Dredd is a $1400 game folks. But soon to be an $1800 game, once color DMD kicks down.
yeah that's why I sold mine for $2100 2 years ago
Hmmm, I see a lot of the same harping in here. I actually disagree with just about every single person's listed games. I even own a few of them for some perspective... I took the OPs "undervalued" to mean monetarily ($), and not "underrated".
I think:
WPT
WCS94
NBAFB
LAH
Baywatch
JM
are all currently selling for the prices they should sell. A couple like Baywatch and LAH could still be bought for 1200-1500, but those other games are all selling for good money these days (2K+) and I think that's the right price for what they offer the player.
How about Fireball classic, Mr/Ms pac man, Harlem Globetrotters, and Medusa? I think those games are fun as hell and they're all half the cost of any game in this thread thus far.
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