Stern is coming out with some great, deep games. It would be nice if they were lower priced but they offer a ton of fun for less than $5k. If the demand wasn't there than it would cause the prices for older pins to drop rather than rise. Obviously there is still growing demand to absorb all the new pins without causing the used market to really suffer. Actually seems like things are in pretty good balance right now as used prices are relatively stable (remakes and VE's aside).

Well, then don't buy it. Problem solved. For the people buying it it seems to make sense.

But they're not because more people want one than there are for sale, so? Believe me, they won't get cheaper by starting a thread about it.

Uhm, why not? One of them is readily available and unproven, the other is (probably) rare and popular. There's not to much things i can think of where "newer is better" is less valid than in pinball.

Now we know that you think ToM is to expensive, others obviously see this differently. But what are we to do with this information?

Sorry for being bitchy, but WTF is the point of these threads?

To be bitchy.

Maybe if we say WH20 and Cirqus Voltaire are overpriced enough times the prices will come down. Or something.

This is actually really simple to answer.
The only overpriced games are the ones that don't sell. If they sell, they weren't overpriced.

Then again, if the only opportunity to own a particular game is an overpriced one and someone buys it, that only feeds the cycle.

I have noticed that AFM prices have been slowly dropping from $8k to $6k in the past year or so. At that rate, maybe I can finally get one in 3-4 years.

Nah...I think the list does not need any more additions of pinball machine names from pinside members here or even their friends or neighbors or even relatives who talk to people on pinside because they are not pinside members themselves or they used to be but are not now at the present time this whole over valued list is being discussed here or discussed elsewhere on the internet or in pinball social circles!

My 2 cents anyway

Wow, what a mind-boggling sentence!

Read it 3 times now and still can't make any sense of it.

Possibly due to the rumor of a PPS remake? And are your comparisons in the same condition, or was the $8K from a year ago AFM in very good shape versus an average condition $6K AFM now? AFM is still a great game. It didn't get any less desirable in the last year.

Eh, more or less similar condition, but granted, I don't pay too close attention since the price is out in the stratosphere anyway.

That's looking at it from the perspective of the individual vs the market as a whole. As a seller, it was not overpriced if he/she sold the game for their listed price. The perspective buyer can think of it as overpriced simply because they cannot afford or are unwilling to pay the asking price. However, the market consists of many individuals and not just the individuals wanting the game at a lower price. Further, its the individuals that are willing to pay the most that tend to set the market price, as in most cases the seller wants to maximize his/her cash return for the game. When it comes to manufactures selling new games, they can set the price to appeal to a mean of buyers, so they can maximize profits on volume, this will in turn adjust downward the secondary markets as we have seen recently.

Right--it starts with a couple outliers with money to burn, then the prices start creeping up because of them. It feeds the cycle.

Did Limelime20 mean to link the game Inder Centaur as opposed to Bally Centaur?

I did pay market value for a Bally Centaur and was happy with the purchase because how often will one surface in great shape all around. How do you measure too much money? Depends on who you ask, I'm willing to pay asking price for Bally/Williams games but I don't understand why anyone would pay more then $2k for a Stern game even the ones made in 2015.

The AFMs that come up lately on here have been pretty beat. I mean, they really get a workout on route so they tend to be in worse shape overall. Perhaps those are the $6K ones?

I think the worst pricing is for NIB these days.

Supply/demand economics. That is why I do not believe Luci belongs on the list. Heck, nobodyeven knows for sure how many were made. This alone adds value since supply is not clearly defined. Demand increases usually under screcy of supply. Al the other pins have production quantities known, here you can at least conduct comparative analysis to speculateif the pin is priced too high. Of course there are many factors that increase price or value but quantities is certainly the most influencial. Luci numbers are only known internal to Stern.

Not 6k, but not 8k either. this looks to be in great shape.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/21824

I believe like 3,500-4,000

In my mind the "most overpriced games" are the vapor ones that were paid for but never made. JFlop. Sh*tB. Etc.

Don't worry, all good here.

Just throwing some shit at the fan to see what happens...

No, BK2K is not a $700 game in the USA...though a few have found them on occasion. I've been looking for years for the under $1000 BK2K, even project condition acceptable. Same goes for EATPM and Whirlwind. Those are the golden three Williams sys 11's that tend to be around $2K or just north or south of - from what I have seen.

I was after the same ones as you (plus a swde). I saw a restored IJ with every single piece of visible metal nickle plated for around $7k about 5 years ago in bayswater. I wasn't in the market at the time but damn it was nice. I was offered a shopped swde for $5k only 2 weeks ago but the cabinet was trashed. :\

The Aussie economy, low interest rates, idiot prime minster and high pinball prices. 1 our of 3 ain't great :\

Looks pretty nice, but the cabinet is very badly faded.

But ultimately "the community's opinion" is expressed as demand -- if a bunch of people think a game is good and would like to own it, there's your demand!

In these threads people get tempted to talk about "real prices" or "market prices" as if that's some objective standard that's divorced from (and curiously always much lower than) what games are actually being successfully sold for at any given time.