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Most optos fail at same time?

By Trogdor

4 years ago


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#8 4 years ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

Thanks! LED 5 is out. I missed it but that’s a tough one to see. +20vdc flashlamp circuit? Would that work optos? Any easy fix?

Is your coin door open? That interrupts high voltage (+20V and +50V).

The flash lamp circuit is dedicated to flash lamps.

+12VU is its own separate circuit. It is used for opto boards as well as things like motors.

+12VR is derived from +18V for the controlled lamp circuit - not really relevant here.

#18 4 years ago

I'll have a stab at trying to piece your puzzle together. Right now I don't have a single point of failure that explains everything you've described but some more clarification may help.

First things first. Can you post a picture of the the switch matrix shown on the display when you enter "T.2" (switch levels). You can also use "T.1" (switch edges) if you like.

Quoted from Trogdor:

Launcher trough and flipper optos fine.

These are separate to the 10-opto board. The ball trough optos are handled directly on the trough opto board and are all in column 8. The flipper optos are directly grounded switches.

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Idol optos pass Idol test but do not close when blocked after test.

The idol optos are handled by the 3-opto board. They are in column 9 so they won't show up in any switch test so you cannot manually test them. You need to run the idol test. If the idol test passes then these are fine.

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POA top right switch out, as well as switch in trough before entrance to POA

The POA top right switch is #75. Not sure how this relates other than the 3 additional optos handled by the 10-opto board are in column 7 but if you can verify that all the other switch in column 7 work then this will remain unexplained. If the other switches in column 7 do NOT work then you have a generic column error.

The POA entry post switch is #46. This is in the same column as all the other optos - column 4. The only other outlier is #48. This is the right slingshot. Please verify that this switch registers. If this switch does NOT work then you have a generic column error. Otherwise you can some other error.

Please post back the results. The goal here is isolate if the problem is on your CPU board or in the playfield wiring. You can instantly rule out CPU board by jumping (shorting) row pins to column pins in switch edges and verify that the switches register. Focus on column 4 and column 7. If problem appears to fall into "some other error" it may be a playfield wiring problem. These are hard to diagnose remotely because the problem often has to be seen in person and cannot be easily deduced due to the daisy chain nature of the wiring.

The only other relevant questions I can think of ...

- Did you acquire the machine in this state or was this working and then suddenly stopped working?

- If it suddenly stopped working what kind of recent work did you do to the machine - if you did something please be honest. We all make mistakes but without accurate information diagnosis is made much harder.

#20 4 years ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

Now that you mention it, the right slingshot is out. What is a generic column error?

The problem can either be central or peripheral (much like the human nervous system). A central problem is usually on the board or the connectors leaving the board. A peripheral problem is usually in the playfield wiring. If the entire column is out then it's more likely to be a central problem (board or connector or wires leaving the board). You can exclude this by shorting pins between column and row directly on the board in switch edge test.

Quoted from Trogdor:

That right top POA switch has always had an issue but no other major issues for over a year.

I'm going to assume this is an isolated error. Either wiring or mechanical (the actuator is not correctly aligned). If the other switches on the right side of the mini-playfield work then this would provide additional evidence for that assumption. Check the optos in column 7. These are the #71 (captive ball front), #72 (mini top hole) and #73 (mini bottom hole). If these work then column 7 is fine and your problem is isolated to column 4.

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I can take a picture if still needed.

Pictures ALWAYS help. You don't have to describe anything. An experienced (and competent) person can look at the picture and instantly see something abnormal.

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