Hi there,
As if the lights are on, she's scoring 10x what she should...

I'm working thru my first Gottlieb, and doing ok adjusting from my Williams experience (like moving from Ford to Dodge)... Anyway I have it playing pretty ok, except it is scoring FUNKY!!! It will score 1000 when it should score 100s (like roll overs and pop bumpers,kick bumpers) giving me a crazy high score (when max is 99,999) Not sure where to check first.

Any advice?

Score reels are WORKING... what exactly does "set properly" mean? Is there a spec for switch gap?

All this is going to be in MY head!! LOL

Are you thinking that the 9s rollover sw is stuck? I will check that. I will look at the drop target scoring relay too. thx

OK, if anybody is still listening (I took a bit of a pinball machine fixing break) I have isolated the "overscore" issue to two places...
well it seams my machine is always scoring the "when lit" score and not the regular score on rollovers and drop targets. I have 100 or 1000 when lit and 50 or 500 when lit scores on my machine. (pop bumpers are scoring fine as are regular kicker sections (forgive me, my Pinglish is not so good)> I am going to check out the relays pertaining to these scores if I can find them.

so.... WHAT causes the lights to come on with this machine? Is it a bump sequence or what?? and is there a relay for that somewhere? (all the relays that are labeled in here are...

a. reset completed relay
w. 2nd chute relay
o. ball return relay
s. start relay
b. 50 point relay
r. hold relay
c. 500 point relay
t. tilt relay
d. 10x value relay (this seems to be my culprit, but what triggers it?)
g. series relay
e. 5k point and reset target bank relay

Any other words to the wise w/b great.

Will check that tomorrow. Thanks

ajfclark
As far as what it looks like on startup, yes, all roll over lights are on. AND none of the yellow lights infront of the drops are on.

Score wise, I do NOT get 5000 on the stand ups, but I do get 500 with lights off or on. Everything is scoring 10x what it should, with the exception of the two bottom kickers (is that what they are called?) that score 10.

I have checked and rechecked the D relay and it looks to be adjusted correctly. So, MUST the D relay be activated to be scoring 10x everywhere?

sure, thanks...

are we talking about the "B" relay and all its stuff?

Nice thanks.
Will go check those out now.

So, things seem to be right... reset is good, relays actuate after rollover. But rollovers still scoring 1000 lights on or off... same with the pop ups and target scores....sigh

Yes, all true.

later his afternoon

I also went and tightened up the switches... (bakelite screws)

is this the wrong side??

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OK, here goes.

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well, there is continuity between those two wires...

Well,
Y/B/R to G/W/R is indeed open. By "Across those colours on the either socket should read 30 ohms." do you mean from big jones plug to the little jones plug? (Y/B/R to G/W/R) or (Y/B/R to Y/B/R and G/W/R to G/W/R)

ok. so.
I tested Y/B/R to Y/B/R pin to pin and got nothing... Y/B/R to Y/B/R box to box (where the pins plug in) and got continuity

I tested G/W/R to G/W/R pin to pin and got nothing... G/W/R to G/W/R box to box (where the pins plug in) and got continuity

Yes, will get that tomorrow.

Will these work? (I hope they are clear enough) Two of them were shot, then I noticed the bank needed to be reset... so the other two were in the reset position. I can reshoot with different parameters if necessary. thx I hope these are the right switches... they are from the relay bank...

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Ok, folks, thanks for replys. first the D relay is not energized, but when I was testing that, the Drop downs and the "targets" (I hope they're called) were scoring correctly. But... this is just after I went thru the machine and made this video, where everything was scoring like it was LIT.

(should be up momentarily)

So, If I soaked all of this right... Machine is playing correctly --IF it is in 3 ball mode--I will check that.
I will also check the score motor switch (switches)
And I will double check that #6 also, (I hadnt acually noticed that before)

Hey folks,
Thanks a bunch for all the help! I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, if only we can get there!!
so, wow. I feel like a knucklehead with the 3ball thing, which it WAS set to, I moved it over to 5 (where it belongs LOL) and things are definitely more cooperative. (and WOW, I never would have thought 3 ball vs 5 ball would be any different other than t extra balls!)

The lights are DEFINATELY spaztik, on and off at will, so something is funky there (or loose)--what controls those?

Well, here's the new vid...

Looks like it is mostly working right, only thing now is the lights!

so... the numbered roll overs are SUPPOSED to score 1000, no matter what? and the Green button lights are 100 or 1000

Thats just because my head is spinning!

SO, testing concludes that machine is running correctly with the exception of the lights coming on... I am going to check the lamps, but it is unlikely that they are all OUT...

Thoughts?

is there a "stop" adjustment on the score motor? telling it where exactly to stop? Could It just be overshooting that by a hair?