$2,200 for an Amigo..come on, who wouldn't pay that. That's a steal. I'm going to make the drive. I also want to grab the Strato-Flite with the Pat Hand backglass. That makes the game one of a kind. Some people on CL are too much. We should hook them up with the guy on eBay that has the Michael Jackson machine listed for $100k.

$3k for a Monte Carlo isn't a great price? But it has a functioning roulette wheel....

A Williams Flash just listed on Philly craigslist. They also have a High Speed, so I contacted the owner to see what they wanted for both machines (of course, no price in ad for either game, just "make offer"). He wants $2,500 for the Flash, which has a white backbox. When I told him it was supposed to be black, he said it was "custom painted".

Somebody had better grab this one quick before it goes to another lucky soul. The artwork package on Flash is phenomenal, and they only made a very limited run (19,000) of those machines.

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He wanted $3500. Ridiculous.

What a shame. Centigrade is a game that is getting harder and harder to find. I offered him $800 and he said no. Looks like he wants a little extra for the amount of money he spent on the duct tape.

It's probably because he wants $3k for each game, no matter the title...it is ashame that he has no photos to see if the games even light or boot up. I agree with Toyota...a few pics in attract mode would probably go a long way with him. I do love the "no drug trades" comment also. I wonder if that is subliminal...and he really wants drugs in trade.

Actually, there are many EM games that are reasonably worth more than only $600, particularly 70's Gottlieb wedgeheads and EM's that have had extensive restorative work. I know a lot of "strictly SS or DMD guys" don't believe so, but that is reality. We all know prices on CL and eBay are typically way out of control, hence this thread. However, consult Boston Pinball or even Mr. Pinball Price Guide. Those sources are at least somewhat reliable and will defunct the notion that all EM's are not worth what they weigh.

And not to DMB in particular, my response above is what I replied to the CL post that you referenced.

Definitely agreed. I always get a laugh when people throw up CL posts like this. I actually saw one a few weeks ago and should have put it up here. It was something to the effect of "WTB: Grossly Overpriced Pinball Games, or Overpriced Pinballs That Are in Horrible Condition, or Even Trash." He actually had contact info listed, but took down the post by the time I went back. I wanted to ask him if he actually received any responses. I would bet that he did.

Ain't that the truth. That makes even the pinner with the lowest level of repair prowess feel good about themselves. LOL

I hate when people post any game for sale and use the stock photos, or even worse, the flyer. Then again, there are some people out in the world that still use 1994 Motorola flip phones. Hopefully he takes the money he makes off the game and buys either a camera or an updated cell, or some common sense.

If extra digits, the question is do you think he wants $2,175, or $1,750? Both prices would be ridiculous for that game. But then again, it does have a functioning roulette wheel!!! Unless Rob takes it for $18k...

And I think those phones are legen......wait for it......dary. They must be a blast to text on. Ahhh...the good old days. Luckily I was too young to have the pleasure of using one of those bad boys. Thank God.

Maybe he's selling a refurb'd Chevy Monte Carlo SS...and accidently posted a pic of the pinball game.

Didn't you hear...duct tape is the new mod to have. I like the Gorilla tape mod myself. It is much stronger and really peels of the artwork in a fashionable way. Makes the game more collectible IMHO.

That has got to be a few of the weirdest posts on CL I have ever seen. What the hell are those two thinking? And do they even have a pinball machine they're selling? LOL. I wish I had that much free time on my hands that I could circuitously make fake ads about nothing.

The EM version of Cap Fantastic is actually getting harder to find, and does command a bit of a price. Especially if it has the first production run raunchy backglass. Nonetheless, this one is priced a little high for the condition.

Decal or not, still a somewhat cool manipulation of a Space Mission game (even though Ren & Stimpy is kind of lame).

Come on, that playfield only has a "little bit" of wear.... What did they do, scrape it with a razor blade? Perhaps 10 years ago it was time to get a few new balls and throw them in there, before the old ones sandpapered the PF.

On the original BG, there were some "topless" girls, a bulge in the one guy's crotch, another guy in the mid/bottom center getting "pleasured", and a Hitler-like figure was on the far right side holding a sign up. When Bally got complaints, they changed the BG to what is known as the "star backglass", as they simply covered up all of the above with stars, instead of rescreening the entire BG over again.

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What the hell is that? Does he actually think "blacking out" the BG is attractive, makes the game cooler or adds value? That game is a mess. I wouldn't take it if he gave it to me for free....well maybe if I needed parts. What a waste.

That is not a scam...great Buyer...definitely sell to him!!!!

I hate getting these responses...which we all have probably gotten at some point. From the broken English and horrible grammar, all the way to the "always adding $$$" to hold the listed item in their "favor", whatever the hell that means. Sadly, these people must get responses and actually make out with the scam, or they wouldn't keep doing it. I'd like to get a hold of one of them and smack them in the face just to do it...and maybe give them a 4th grade English textbook. Or maybe just smack them with the textbook.

And the new rubbers make that game totally worth it...did someone grab it already?

Not a bad deal at all...just wish more of the game was visible so you could see the BG and cabinet condition. Price is very practical...pun intended.

Does it also come with the commonly-burnt Data East GI IDC connector? If so, that's a steal.

I think that is the cheap little Zizzle POTC, isn't it? Great addition to any collection.

Very weird indeed....what the hell is going on up there in NH? Doesn't CL have moderators like our wonderful site here? LOL. I don't think it's the water...I think these people are drunk at 9am on a Tuesday morning. At least I hope they are so it would at least make some sense.

Never saw that one before. If someone binged your IP address though, make sure all your virus and scamware software is up to date.

What the hell is that? That is just freaky looking. And why is the Indian wearing jeggings, or some type of skinny jeans? They certainly accent his sneaker-looking moccasins. It must be a more modernly-dressed Indian. RCA, if I can talk him down to $250 I'll buy it for your game room. I think I'd rather have the Seinfeld Indian sans slot machine.

The "F" stands for fantastic!!! And you gotta love the "Going on ebay for over $2900". Every time I see that on a CL ad, I want to stab the person posting it with a spoon. It's a shame...because the game is dirty but actually looks like it's in pretty good condition.

I wish we could have a log or journal of what some of these games on CL are listed for, and what they actually end up selling for 3 years later. This guy apparently doesn't have that luxury...because he's moving and can't take the game with him. For that price, he'd better plan on having Star Trek around for a few more years in his new home.

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"Looking to buy a pinball machine. SS or DMD. Not interested in EM games. Have 700 cash in hand and can pick it up asap. Interested in almost all titles. Specifically looking for games like teed off, escape from lost world, special forces, streetfighter2, pool sharks, bone busters, wipeout, blackwater100, high speed, pinbot, motordome ect. Let me know what you have."

Come on....he has cash on hand!!!!!!!! Doesn't anybody want to get rid of their cherry, fully-working Teed Off, Escape, Streetfighter, Wipeout, or any other pin he wants for a whopping 700 smackeroos??? If anybody does plan on responding to this guy, I may throw up an ad saying that I'll up that ante and give $750 for any of those titles.

He must be an experienced collector. I emailed him just to try to help and tell him he won't find a working DMD title that he listed for $700, at least not in good condition. His response was "I have sen those games really nice and fuolly working for less then 700 before." (his spelling in last statement, not mine...but I wanted to be accurate with quoting him). I even offered him a Meteor semi-project for $450 trying to be nice (nice PF and perfect BG), and he said that game isn't worth more than $150!!! I tried explaining what backglasses alone were worth, but I gave up. He seemed utterly hopeless.

So many people on Craigslist...for their lack of grammar and a variety of other reasons, are a piece of work. So much for trying to help.

Agreed. Those people are more irritating. They should troll "craigslist - never never land".

I second that. Even though it's a large System 80 pin, I would buy any Amazing SM all day at that price and just stack them out in my garage. Like ForceFlow said, this game is getting harder to find. Luckily, I have a really nice one already, and just sold my other one that needed a little work to a guy for his first pin. A great first pin to have in my book, even if just to stare at the awesome artwork on it.

George, good effort and worth the attempt. He can certainly keep that pin for $1k.

What is with the last pic? LOL. This guy totally looks like Ben, the leader of The Others on Lost.

Like ForceFlow said, this is horrible, but I have to admit I was LMFAO reading it.

Not kidding. I had a guy from CL show up about 6 months ago for a Stern Dracula partially populated PF I was getting rid of for $75, and he showed up with rolls of quarters. I wanted to put them in a sock and beat him with them. LOL.

My spider-sense is tingling on this one....that would be a reasonable price (maybe) if it were a HER. Not reasonable for what that one looks like. And the Stern Dracula listed earlier...you think a guy that owns a collectibles store would know to keep a pinball game out of direct sunlight...especially one depicting a vampire.

What a shame...not a game you come across all that often, and it looks to be in pretty decent shape. Always tough to see a game come up that you've been looking for, but unreasonably priced and it just can't happen. Just a little patina, but some like that unless you're doing a full resto including sanding/repainting. I would stick with him though and call him again in a week or two. He's never going to sell the game at that price, so he should have it for a little while, then should be willing to knock the price down.

I have to say I get tired of people selling games in mediocre to horrible condition, and then when you inquire, they tell you what a fully restored game sells for. It's like, "No shit...and you're game isn't restored." The sad - you miss out on a game you've been looking for, and these people are usually non-hobbyists who have absolutely no idea of the amount of money and time that go into a full resto, or what you have to pay someone to do it.

I actually did email this guy and seriously asked if he would take $1800 to $2k + shipping costs, and he responded "You do not know pinball verie well, this game is wotrh much more then that." (his spelling)

I should have just emailed and asked if he would sell me the game if I promised to make a donation to the "Save the Clock Tower" fund. Some of these sellers don't deserve to have pins in their possession.

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Damn it!....I'm only looking for one that's been played strictly outside, or preferably sitting on a porch for 10 years. Moving on.

It was definitely worth $5k...if Doc Brown threw it in the car and took it back to Hill Valley in 1955. I've actually seen people asking quite a bit for a BTTF since the movie's anniversary last October. Still a joke for a DE game, well...at least this one.

I've seen it so many times, but I LMFAO every time I read the ad, or the others posted in the past.

I think this ad is for the STTNG remake preorder, and he just used a stock photo.

Even if it were, this guy's pin would still be double the price.

Hahaha...wouldn't be such a "fun house" then, would it?

A heavy tabletop model = it's missing it's legs. Sounds like a dream. "We're still trying to do some research" = "I didn't see one on eBay for $10,000 and now I don't know where else to look..."

And need to recharge the batteries for our camera? These days they could've done that in the time it took to type the ad, at least enough to snap a few shots. This poster is either a really old person....or a moron. Why is the ad written like they're angry about something...or just proud of a heavy duty American-built product?

And they don't communicate via text...but they know to use emoji's and smiley faces using characters? I absolutely have to see a pic of this game!!

And going back, the ad has been up for over a month. They must have a really slow charger, on top of superb research skills.

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I emailed them. Not kidding. They want $1900 for the Spanish Eyes. As a courtesy, I sent them a picture of the 2015 Mr. Pinball price guide showing them the game isn't worth more than $450. I couldn't stop laughing that they listed the SE for more than the Fire. Some people on CL are too much.

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I won't waste the time...but I so badly would love to email this guy and point out not only his ridiculously exorbitant price, but all the misstatements in his ad. "Electrode Magnet game", "made a temple of all graphics", there are way too many to bother retyping. And it's fully restored but has old yellow rubbers on it?

I've come across quite a few Spirit of 76 pins...ranging from $350 to $750. And they were in very good condition. The fact remains, as stated, they made a boatload of those games so they are all over the place.

I think that thing is actually pretty cool!!! I haven't seen them around that often either.

Less than 49,999 plays!!! I think I'd rather have this than some of the home use models of real pins that are out there.

Was this the one listed on eBay for $300, I think in north NJ? That one looked like a mess, but I was contemplating grabbing it. Definitely looked like there was something going on between the glass and the PF...ie. a home for several woodland creatures.

I would say 3, if that. Out of 14 produced, can't be many. I made keychains for 4 of them that are open and being played.

With an ad like that, I don't think there's anything wrong with tossing him a few questions. Even though there were quite a few, they are certainly reasonable and could all be answered within 5 minutes with a return call after receiving the texts. Judging from the brevity of the seller's texts back to Bos98, the seller seems like an ass. Unfortunately CL is filled with them.

This one is so odd. Touch a pecker for an HH?

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I think he could have used a little more blue....

I just texted him to get the lockdown bar, figuring I'd at least save that and could probably use it for my Olympics. He said he already sold it. Bummer. Someone else here got the same idea from your post. Who has it????

Letgo good to go here? I really wonder if this guy is a Pinsider. I just asked him if he was willing to compromise on price on either of these, and he told me to go to eBay, insulted me ( because I'm the one with severely overpriced games listed) and then blocked me. I sent him one message asking about price. Every game he has listed is $3000, no matter what the title. What an ass.

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Scammer beware. This guy has two ads running simultaneously for the same game, with the same pics? WTF...

ebay.com link: GRAND LIZARD Pinball Machine Williams 1986 Its a Jungle Out There

ebay.com link: GRAND LIZARD Pinball Machine Williams 1986 Its a Jungle Out There

Yeah, that color is loud. And the miniature pin with the cheesy band stage in the glass is a nice touch. (not really) And to top it off, they used the smallest LCD they could find.

Definitely props for anybody that builds anything in this hobby, especially from scratch. Just some weird choices given the amount of effort and time that went into building that game. Especially odd choice for a donor game. But I definitely give them credit, and I would probably pay 250 for it just to have it.

Yeah, just looks like you'd be squinting and have to lean down to play any table on it. For the size of the donor, I think they could easily squeeze a 27" in there vertically, at minimum. Then put the 19" up in the aquarium as the backglass / translite monitor. That's actually a good idea...I'm gonna send him a message asking if he is firm on price. I would change it drastically, but cool to have and shove in a corner.

LMAO. They just should have said it was actually Elvis's game, and "still has the donut jelly all over the flipper buttons!"

That disappointing...it was mine. Not hard for me to decipher given that it still has my custom keychain on the coin door in his pic. He said he wanted it for himself. And he's a Pinsider, probably why it's not listed here.

I could really care less, so no need to make a big deal about it. My only issue is when someone haggles with you over a price...then you compromise even further because it's a game "they really want"...then they turn around and list it two days later for double that price, that is kind of irritating. Especially when they were already getting a good price on the game as it was. And that is exactly what leads to pinflation and lower level games being ridiculously priced.

But Geist is right. Once it is their game, they can do whatever they want with it. Doesn't mean I have to like what they do with it.

See my post above #4446.

I agree with most of what you said, and said not to make a big deal about it. I paid $500 for the HLA, and lost $125 selling it. Oh well. What I don't like is when someone lies to your face to flip a game. I am as honest as I can be in this hobby, and have had nearly all good dealings with people. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't bullshit right to someone's face. And I've went out there and found plenty of games "in the rough" myself.

And for me it's more this reality: I had two other buyers interested that collected EM's and really wanted it (who I know would have held onto it). This guy responded before them, so rightfully, I gave him first dibs. He said he really wanted this particular game also. He listed it two days later after putting a few rubbers on it, touching up the cabinet (badly) and putting a new ball in the trough (which I love when people include that in their listing, as if putting a new ball in a game is some major event, repair or expensive). Besides that I had already given him a brand new ball when he picked it up.

I would have rather the game went to one of the other two guys who I know were actually looking for this title and would have kept it in their collection, at least for some amount of time. A good home. Now if they want to buy it, they have to pay way more for it, and they would have to deal with this fella.

It's not the money for me. That part is just an irritating addition. It's the fact that I would rather people have games that want them, then some schmo that could care less about what game he has, barely does anything to it just to make a buck, and then unnecessarily increases the supposed value of the game for the next time it's resold. It's a dangerously cyclical thing that affects the well-being and affordability of games in this hobby.

I just sold a Star Action a week or so ago for $160 just to hook someone up. And I spent a few hours on it getting it to work, LEDs, shopping. And still sold it for that price. Wanted the game to be in circulation instead of storage. I lost money on that too, but I made someone very happy. That brings me joy. If scamming people, lying, price gouging and eventually making the hobby unaffordable for some new pinheads is someone else's thing, I will never like that or be an enabler of that behavior.

TAF, TZ, AFM, even BSD and other DMD's and alphanums...prices vary and that's understandable. If flippers make every EM worth $800 to $2k, this hobby could lose some good people and supporters who can't afford more than a $400 or $500 game at a time. And either way, that's a loss.

Definitely. I've made a profit on some games...more than some over 8 years of collecting. Just haven't been on Pinside all that long. But the games I've made money on...ie. finding a Williams Flash for $200, fixed it up, and sold it for $500 or $600. What the game is actually worth. Or you find a great deal on an alphanum or DMD, and sell it for a decent price. That is a different story.

Now that we've dealt with that hiccup....back to the ads.

Anybody want an Olympics? I called and asked if they would accept a lower price, and they actually said this was as cheap as they could go and they "were told by a friend in pinball to list it for almost double what they did."

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Nowadays you check CL and there's 40 ads with that language.

A year? Seriously? I have a project Olympics in my garage, and the reimport with the plexi backglass. I've contemplated giving it away because I haven't had time to even touch it in nearly two years.

Hahaha...looks like they actually LED'd that thing.

Funny you say that. I told them both exactly that yesterday.

There's more than 3 things wrong with that ad...

How much was the pig?

I'm sure the playfield glass on Sinbad didn't have any scratches from the chandelier or whatever the hell that is thrown on top of it.

Too perfectly rounded or cut...I think that's the wooden base of whatever it is.

Rascal, you didn't get a price on that Sorcerer tucked in the corner???

LMFAO. Come on....I juggle pinball machine wires all the time.

"Far from a perfect mint glass..." I don't think it could get any further.

That is odd. Parts probably tough to find too.

The Allied Leisure game? I'll take it.

Sadly, I'd probably take them if he threw in the Brunswick Aspen he also has standing up to the side. I had one of those a few years back that I totally refurbished for my daughter and she loved it.

And what the hell did he do with the power supplies from the games? Did he need parts that bad for an actual pin?

Royal Flush is an awesome game

Xenon fully restored can definitely go for quite a bit, when done right. What I don't get is why you would put "I have almost $5,000 in this machine", right under his asking price of $6,800. We all know most, if not all of the labor, you never get back out of a game. He should have just put that he has $6800 into the game, which really doesn't make a difference at that point.

LMFAO. Then he'd better only sell to people that aren't good shooters. Don't want that problem happening all the time. And faded BG, and it looks like the cabinet has been unprofessionally repainted. What a shame.

I know...what an absolute waste. And it looks like it was in pretty good condition too. You can find legs...maybe they still have the head stashed somewhere as an end table.

I wonder if the seller actually thinks he's a decent player after installing and having the benefit of that "mod".

Fletch?

Not CL, but another site and just as laughable. Don't even think about looking for this, I already sent a message.

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Given that it's Brentwood, it's a machine that tells you how to get away with murder...OJ style. That could be worth half a mil to some people.

Is he kidding even listing that board for sale? Non-working...you think?

It's a little high, unless it is in absolute mint condition. You can usually snag a Genesis for $600 to $1100 tops.

WTF? I don't understand what the hell that is. Even used for advertising without the backbox? And what kind of retheme is that? I have a feeling he grabbed it out of the trash.

When you look at the coin door in the ad, it's actually pretty dinged up and bent in between the coin return chute and the bottom of the diamond.

I just offered him 100. I might retheme it if I can find a backbox.

It might, depending what type of adhesive he used. The apron might be OK too.

Haha. They shouldn't be...what a shame. Jumping Jack has an awesome backglass, and what they did is atrocious.

Letgo and OfferUp are pretty bad, and just seem hit or miss. Sometimes I don't get any response at all even when I simply ask if the game is still available. Then again, I have gotten some really good deals off of both.

I have a pretty nice Road Kings I've offered up on here for 700 bucks, and still have it. A few small issues and some minor wear on the PF, but it also has a brand new legs and Pinscore displays. I even said I would go 675 if another Pinsider wanted it. Surprised. Not sure I even want to list it anywhere else, let alone in those two apps.

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I can honestly say I've never been asked by an anonymous person if I would accept payments. Some other fellow pinballers yes. Never a stranger.

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Where's the upper playfield?

JK. I've actually seen those toys quite often. I think uninformed owners do a quick search, see what a real BK is worth or that one exists, and post some ridiculous price because they think that is what they have. If only they hit IPDB first. I actually do know somebody that has one of those...and they paid about $200 for it.