I think the seller has this kid toy crosswired with the actual Stern game.
Either that or it he is pulling a, "I'm Captain Jack Sparrow, savvy?"
I may send him a message.

Edit: I looked at the description. He is just a greedy new Ebay seller ftard waiting for another ftard buyer with a lower IQ to come along.
There should be an intelligence test on Ebay before you can establish an account. This game sold new for $450 (high end), and he is referencing multiple commercial pinball machines websites in comparison.

This guy got the game for $40 (so he stated) in 2014.

seller: quick-n-easy-dealz (2 )

You both got the balls to post but not reply? This was before fwiw.

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I have no dog in this fight obviously but I believe both parties are in the right. Obviously if you have played KISS you know it is not a $6000 game however, being that it is restored I would imagine there is some KISS junky out there with enough money to do whatever he or she wants and it will sell. So in my nonbiased opinion yes it is priced too high and yes it will probably sell for that or close to asking. I have a close friend who has sent rough ones over seas for $3-4000.

You seem to really want to turn this into an arguement, don't you...they are not attacking you personally but you seem to take it that way.....oh and yes, the game is overpriced, thats why its in the craigslist laughs thread

I don't see why that girl is so happy about that score! I certainly wouldn't want my face associated with it!!

Wow, that's a steal! I mean, who wouldn't pay that for a zizzle? You'd have to be a fool not to.

Sounds like he's a real Douche-bag flipper.

Dude, you made me actually laugh and I needed it. Sorry, I'm grumpy because I've been working around the clock - I'll recalibrate my bitch sensor.

Jay's not even a friend of mine or anything but he's really contributed an enormous amount to our local pinball scene. That's why I was defending him. I mean, the guy's got a pair of Stern LE #2's (KISS & GoT) on route.

As I said earlier in the thread, he's only been asking $5K locally (delivered, with warranty) and I'm sure he'd work to meet a serious buyer. No CL ad could convey how nice that machine is.

edit: (she's happy because i married her a few months after that picture was taken - she's MUCH better at pinball now)

Whenever I see something like this I tell them to call the "website" and ask them what they'd pay for your game because surely if they can sell it for $3500 then they'd be willing to pay $1000 or more for yours, right? Most times I never hear back from them.

Dave

From eBay:
Hey, can you move over some so we can see the pinball?

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ebay.com link: 1988 Williams CYCLONE Pinball Machine Feature Video GRC Best Value

Didn't know you could get 3 pins in a single wide trailer. Good to know

chicago.craigslist.org link

Not a bad price for a good DE Simpsons backglass but......"the machines are $6500 to $10,000"? Is this guy delusional??

So is he selling the backglass from the machine it's on in the picture, or is it an old picture of the glass on a machine or is it someone elses picture of a backglass?

It is no different than the PNW seller here stating that Funhouses regularly sell for "$6500-11000". (even when average, trashed, or faded)
There is no analysis from the market that is simply asking prices of other non-informed sellers, or speculating brokers/dealers.
These two people must be close friends or have the same doctor.

Part of the side effect of artificial price inflation being fed currently to the general public.
Pretty rampant right now, starting spiking around 2010 after return from the last "pinball drought" in 2009.
It is going to take a little while again before prices deflate for general stabilization based on the "feeding at the hog pen".
Somewhere around 2-5 years, once NIB "basic" games hit the $10k ceiling from Stern, then the market will stall for secondary sales, but the local interest in playing will remain.
Brokers/dealers/distributors are pushing games out as fast as they can, because the ones that survived the last drought "know the deal".
Basically, the market inflates on these toys, holds relatively steady, and starts over once the economy finally catches up to the asking prices of sellers.
The good news is during period of deflation, desperate sellers make good deals for collectors who stay with the hobby, you just have to beat out the brokers who are sharks in the pond during those same periods.
There will not be a "glut" (this is not the 1980s), but what you will see is another emptying of garages when times get tighter, interest wanes, and many owners who spent $90k on machines in one year move on or cannot sell the games with $2-3k worth of mods as nobody wants to pay for the junk they added to their games. It is a little different than the 1990s, as "modding" was not a motivator of collectors so that did not impact the price.
The key word is people have to stay in the hobby, and not bail, like farts in the wind.
It happens all the time, as many keep enthusiasm for around 2-3 years before they either are over their head by acquiring too many project games that do not work, run out of money, or pursue other hobbies.
Then you see major drops of money from old collectors scooping up all sorts of goodies, and then head back squirreling into their game rooms with these gems in tow.

Little known fact: The first recognizable "mod" on pinball machines other than changing light colors of incandescent bulbs with condoms and a few other various other pieces of artwork or prototype game features reinstalled (such as the "third magnet on TZ") was the "piano" on Twilight Zone from a McDonald's happy meal. Sellers now charge over $100 for a mold recreation of the same plastic toy that was free in 1998-99.

I see Ray is still using his family and friends as pinball models.
Don't forget to buy your "limited edition" poster, and watch the video on YouTube.
You might get one free, if you buy one of the machines.
NOTE: BTW, his GTB 1980 Roller Disco has been up for sale for around 18 months. Only $4800, models not included. I still remember his $15k ToM, which I am positive he sold for around $12k to somebody, and it was not HUO as stated. Some people say I am a little caustic, but some things he sells are not realistic, no matter his experience in the industry.

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While many of the pictures on the eBay auction aren't necessarily bad, they seem more towards promoting his business than the machine he's auctioning off. And for that price I can do without the rainbow puke lighting.

Who would buy that pos for that kind of money, and are those girls really helping that sale lol The worst part of it all is his constant bashing of TNT to try and make a name for his hopeless self, that guy Mike is a 1st class retard!

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eugene.craigslist.org link

Doesn't the saying go...."There's a sucker born every minute" I guess he's just waiting for his to come around. And the poster....YIKES

It's actually, "There's one born every minute", but it still applies.

the jerk-off lol

I heard they're hired but only to pose and that their day job is a lot less family friendly/legal, but I've just heard that and who knows if it's legit

That much is obvious, I'll bet there on craigslist alright just not in the pins for sale section but escorts for lease and were not talking about Fords lol

"The models who appeared in these promotional videos and photographs continue on in less humiliating careers as a street $@#!@ and children's party clowns. Often combining the two as time permits."

Sorry, I just could not help myself tonight.
Todd Tuckey is at least entertaining and been doing this MUCH longer (nearly 40 years), and a lot more professionally, although there have been a fair share of gripes as well, but mostly by other brokers mudslinging each other.
TNT Amusements survived, most did not.
I am not part of a personal "fan club" of any particular dealer or broker, but some things just are not right.
The story above has more truth than people realize.

That's fkn funny. Todd is hilarious and a super sweet guy in person. The first time I saw one of his videos I was mortified but now I go watch them when I start to think this hobby has a big stick up its ass, just for comfort. When he lifts a playfield spilling balls everywhere and just cackles at everyone else's horror...

I agree with you. I like that guy Todd from TNT and his corny videos. He makes me laugh. I've watched many of them. Also, when he includes his daughter and wife in the videos it's done in a tasteful and humorous manner.

The guys at TNT and Todd especially are so great you can tell they all really enjoy what they do and the cheesy videos are funny, interesting and actually informative what else could you ask for. Growing up my fav thing to watch was shady tree mechanic and TNT has the same vibe in their videos, there the best!

I think thats a scam. Its up in toledo and detroit too

About once a week I have to turn my phone off at night because of the d bag. I got about 150 emails last night. It's just part of the game I guess. Annoying as crap though. I wonder how many people actually believe he is really selling a 71 mustang in restored condition for $2900. Lol. One born every day right.

I really wanted to call on that mustang! Or email the gmail account a deposit to a nigerian prince!

Yeah the asshole is back. 225 emails this morning. It's sad CL can't stop him.

I've gotten about 10 more since I made the first post. If I wasn't on my way to trade for a Congo I'd be ticked off right now lol

It was happening outside of normal California business hours. I imagine the problem will start to be tackled this morning.

Post ads in the free section with their phone number in it. It's childish, passive aggressive as Hell, and they may not even make the connection. On the other hand, screw em'.

You can bash GRC all you want, but don't bring Ray into the spotlight for the GRC marketing stuff. That's not his gig or ever has been.

Pawn Shop with inflated list price...

detroit.craigslist.org link

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Fair enough, GRC and Ray should be treated as separate entities, as I know this was not his primary goal.
Keeping in mind that there is some blurring when you watch videos on YouTube and the tech topics, because it cannot be distinguished.
It has become morphed in the last 10 years.

That game was actually built much better than the "Zizzles" of the last 10 years, similar to the 1970s Bally home market mini machines.
You could use it as a $200 coffee table if you cut off the legs...

After all it IS a "classic"...says so right on the machine

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Wow I must have stoled mine. Lol

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Biggest reason I started watching that GRC channel was for ray's tech tips.. then mike claimed they took too long to produce (you're literally pointing a camera at a tech working on pinball machines and uploading to youtube). Now most of the videos are whatever they're selling, whether it be a machine or parts they're tired of hanging around in the back.. Or videos of them destroying jukeboxes and pinball machine cabinets next to a dumpster after they've parted out all the guts (but first painting profanity all over it). I'm surprised Ray doesn't just do tech calls from his house and skip the retail front, it's so much overhead and rarely works out (with the exception of TNT because they do minimal work, do lots of volume, and they also host parties and rent out games).

When I was there to pick up said destroyed game Mike told me it's not fun anymore for him and "get out of pinball while you can", etc., really intensely talked down about it all not only as a business but as a hobby while usually collectors at other pickups really talk up this great hobby of ours. Guess he's not enjoying it anymore and/or business is getting rough. Did still seem to enjoy the game though, we played a few rounds on his showroom games and it seemed like he had a good time. Tried to keep my mouth shut about him destroying stuff though, hah. Played a really mint Fireball that he said might be next for the smash-up, I hope he was just joking though. Did see it for sale at Pinfest though so hopefully it went to a good home or will be eventually.

This is coming home Sunday. I paid a finish carpenter to do the router work to set the glass in flush. It is a Stern Dracula 1979

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Those flipper holes are appropriately placed