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Monster Bash Remake (MBr) Owners Club (with Poll & Pics)

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“Monster Bash Remake (MBr) Owners Club (with Poll & Pics)”

  • I'm in on a CE 66 votes
    9%
  • I'm in on a SE 156 votes
    20%
  • I'm in on a LE 377 votes
    49%
  • I'm out for now 175 votes
    23%

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#3051 2 years ago

I just received my LE today....it has the overlapping decals, which look great if they don't split....

#3052 2 years ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

I just received my LE today....it has the overlapping decals, which look great if they don't split....

So far we haven't had any reports of flawless decals later splitting.

#3053 2 years ago

Must be a variance from one installer to another.

#3054 2 years ago
Quoted from Quadrat:

Got an e-mail today that my game will ship on Monday and I'll get tracking on Tuesday. So this weekend I need to start moving games/stuff around. Move table and bar stools out of game room. Move Big Buck World shooter into game room. Move WOZ to Big Buck World spot. Move neons & artwork as needed. And when MBRLE shows up I'll put it next to the other two remakes.

Number matching?

#3055 2 years ago

Perhaps HEP could weigh in on this decal issue? Just saying....

#3056 2 years ago
Quoted from delt31:

Number matching?

Yes, paid in full November 15th.

#3057 2 years ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

So far we haven't had any reports of flawless decals later splitting.

I don't have photos of this area to be 100% certain, but I can't believe I wouldn't have noticed the decal issue (both sides) when unboxing or during initial inspection (which I didnt). I really think it developed sometime over the first two weeks, but without unboxing photos to be sure I suppose it could have been there all along.

#3058 2 years ago
Quoted from PinballCoug:

I don't have photos of this area to be 100% certain, but I can't believe I wouldn't have noticed the decal issue (both sides) when unboxing or during initial inspection (which I didnt). I really think it developed sometime over the first two weeks, but without unboxing photos to be sure I suppose it could have been there all along.

Either way I'm very sorry to hear.

Curious if this happened to *both* sides each and every very time, or if some just have one side affected.

Regardless, for the 58+ pages of thread owners that didn't report issues, I hope there haven't been any and it's localized to a factory install issue, which hopefully is or will soon be resolved.

#3059 2 years ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

The originals were silk screens, not decals. Right?

First 100 or so were silk screened.

#3060 2 years ago
Quoted from PinballCoug:

I believe this shows the seam you're talking about
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Yes! Thank you! I was obviously having a difficult time converting that picture into words. Vinyl decals over that seam pictured = bad idea. Given time, humidity and temp changes, nudging habits, movement of the game, etc ... I'll bet many games develop issues at that spot.
After all, CGC is not shipping games from the factory with that flaw. So, the very act of transporting them is causing just enough movement in the cabinet, specifically that seam to split the vinyl on a few games. It will be interesting to see what the future holds as these games get used.
I'm sure that CGC will do something to help me, and those that have this issue. Their service is renowned. If it's new decals - great! I've installed lots of cabinet art. If it irritates me enough or gets worse or I get caught up on projects, I'll change it. I feel bad for the guys who have this issue and are not able to fix it themselves, or it occurs post warranty.

#3061 2 years ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Have yet to hear of anyone report them spontaneously "forming." Hopefully I won't be the first Seems to all be out of box apparent, so far.
The wood working expert testimony is all well and good, but if we take the above as true, all that's left is the decals, the cabinet, and the side rails. Something's gotta be out of calibration there on the games with these issues vs. the majority/minty ones, including the ones for AFMr that HAVEN'T been developing these issues.

Since all the damage is always at the top of the seam, I was thinking it’s possibly due to the way they use pallet straps across the top of the game when shipping is causing excess movement on that top panel/seam.

#3062 2 years ago
Quoted from PinballCoug:

I believe this shows the seam you're talking about
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So...are these cracks showing up NIB, or a couple days after you put the legs on?

#3063 2 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Since all the damage is always at the top of the seam, I was thinking it’s possibly due to the way they use pallet straps across the top of the game when shipping is causing excess movement on that top panel/seam.

The reason that it's beginning at the top - that seam is reinforced at the bottom of the cabinet by both the bottom (floor) cabinet panel, and by the heavy duty William's style leg bolt bracket attached to the inside of the corner. There is nothing reinforcing the top. The very top would be the first part of that wood joint that would experience movement, if it did occur.

#3064 2 years ago
Quoted from Mdanielb:

Yes! Thank you! I was obviously having a difficult time converting that picture into words. Vinyl decals over that seam pictured = bad idea. Given time, humidity and temp changes, nudging habits, movement of the game, etc ... I'll bet many games develop issues at that spot.
After all, CGC is not shipping games from the factory with that flaw. So, the very act of transporting them is causing just enough movement in the cabinet, specifically that seam to split the vinyl on a few games. It will be interesting to see what the future holds as these games get used.
I'm sure that CGC will do something to help me, and those that have this issue. Their service is renowned. If it's new decals - great! I've installed lots of cabinet art. If it irritates me enough or gets worse or I get caught up on projects, I'll change it. I feel bad for the guys who have this issue and are not able to fix it themselves, or it occurs post warranty.

I think when we find out what's really the reason for these accidents we'll all look like I did when I found out how CGC assesses playfield quality. Like we never had a clue.

#3065 2 years ago
Quoted from Mdanielb:

The reason that it's beginning at the top - that seam is reinforced at the bottom of the cabinet by both the bottom (floor) cabinet panel, and by the heavy duty William's style leg bolt bracket attached to the inside of the corner. There is nothing reinforcing the top. The very top would be the first part of that wood joint that would experience movement, if it did occur.

Funny thing is these cracks are appearing out of the box. I’m assuming they weren’t there before they were boxed. So it’s happening during shipment, or at least after being boxed.

#3066 2 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Funny thing is these cracks are appearing out of the box. I’m assuming they weren’t there before they were boxed. So it’s happening during shipment, or at least after being boxed.

Agreed! CGC wouldn't release a game with that flaw. I think your idea about the strapping causing stress during shipping is plausible. I just wish that they would have done the same as every other manufacturer, and not decal over a wood joint.

#3067 2 years ago
Quoted from Mdanielb:

Agreed! CGC wouldn't release a game with that flaw. I think your idea about the strapping causing stress during shipping is plausible. I just wish that they would have done the same as every other manufacturer, and not decal over a wood joint.

I’ve really got no idea, just hypothesizing. To take it further, since that tension strap goes in the middle of the front of the cab, it could be bowing the top of the front panel which has the effect of pushing the edges up, this splitting the decal at that point. That top part of the front panel above the coin door is the narrowest point of the cabinet and probably most flexible. Who knows but might be worth looking into.

#3068 2 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

I’ve really got no idea, just hypothesizing. To take it further, since that tension strap goes in the middle of the front of the cab, it could be bowing the top of the front panel which has the effect of pushing the edges up, this splitting the decal at that point. That top part of the front panel above the coin door is the narrowest point of the cabinet and probably most flexible. Who knows but might be worth looking into.

All these so called design weaknesses/freight strap tensions, etc have been present for these machines the entire run of the game to date, but only in the past couple days has this issue come to light, and presumably only on recent unboxings.

Surely something else must have changed from the first 58+ pages of flaw free decal games to the very recent games, right, be it install process, quality of decal, etc?

At this point- on that note, I think I'll disengage. In truth we're all probably just spinning our wheels, hoping to make the affected have some clarity and the unaffected feel more secure. It's really outside our pay grades. Kind of like grading their playfields

#3069 2 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

I’ve really got no idea, just hypothesizing. To take it further, since that tension strap goes in the middle of the front of the cab, it could be bowing the top of the front panel which has the effect of pushing the edges up, this splitting the decal at that point. That top part of the front panel above the coin door is the narrowest point of the cabinet and probably most flexible. Who knows but might be worth looking into.

Yes. So, maybe two straps, placed at the edges rather than the center. Or, no decal over the seam (clubbing that deceased horse once more).

In the big scheme of things, it's really a very small gripe. MBr is a gorgeous game!

#3070 2 years ago
Quoted from ChiroCop:

So...are these cracks showing up NIB, or a couple days after you put the legs on?

Sometime within the first 2 weeks for me. I don't believe they were there out of box, but can't be certain.

#3071 2 years ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Guys, guys, guys. All these so called design weaknesses/freight strap tensions, etc have been present for these machines the entire run of the game to date, but only in the past couple days has this issue come to light, and presumably only on recent unboxings.
Surely something else must have changed from the first 58+ pages of flaw free decal games to the very recent games, right, be it install process, quality of decal, etc?
At this point- on that note, I think I'll disengage. In truth we're all probably just spinning our wheels, hoping to make the affected have some clarity and the unaffected feel more secure. It's really outside our pay grades. Kind of like grading their playfields

Ah, no. I had split decals out of the box on my AFMR over 12 months ago. The only reason I’m commenting. It’s also been reported on MMR from original runs.

So it’s not new, it’s not isolated. The best solution is to not wrap the decals, simple. CgC told me that’s what they were doing going forward over 12 months ago when I had my issue. Not sure why theyre still doing it this way.

CGC are the cabinet experts. They have been doing it for decades and they know how to make a rock solid cabinet. I’m sure they’ll work it out.

Here ya go, some split cabinet porn, out of the box Dec 2017. In fact these photos were taken whilst still in the box:

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#3072 2 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Ah, no. I had split decals out of the box on my AFMR over 12 months ago. The only reason I’m commenting. It’s also been reported on MMR from original runs.
So it’s not new, it’s not isolated. The best solution is to not wrap the decals, simple. CgC told me that’s what they were doing going forward over 12 months ago when I had my issue. Not sure why theyre still doing it this way.
CGC are the cabinet experts. They have been doing it for decades and they know how to make a rock solid cabinet. I’m sure they’ll work it out.

Yes, on MBR, it actually is. Past week's new news. But these examples may have the same flaw factor in common. It just might not be what we think. Anyways, totally above my pay grade.

#3073 2 years ago

What angle do you recommend setting the play field?....mine is currently at 7.5 degrees....its pretty fast....

#3074 2 years ago

Has anyone try to cut the corners? I think it will look better then the cracks.

#3075 2 years ago

CGC-Ryan Doug_Duba just checking you guys are seeing this and are taking steps to prevent this on future games!

#3076 2 years ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

What angle do you recommend setting the play field?....mine is currently at 7.5 degrees....its pretty fast....

that's what I ran my original at. Plays lovely. Just check for slow balls into the bride on the left hand side. Sometimes they will hang on the wireform.

#3077 2 years ago

Has anybody gotten their non matching LE yet?

This wait is killing me...

#3078 2 years ago
Quoted from Jodester:

Has anybody gotten their non matching LE yet?
This wait is killing me...

still waiting for my matching LE here in the UK.

#3079 2 years ago
Quoted from sirlonzelot:

Has anyone try to cut the corners? I think it will look better then the cracks.

Y'all are killing me. We have yet had a single reported case of confirmed flawless decals later getting damaged by supposed cabinet shift. Which, given 58+ pages of flawless MBr cabinets, with I'm sure a fair few on location getting absolutely whaled on by the general public, seems to me to be super unlikely.

Till then, and definitely till CGC chimes in, I wouldn't mutilate a set of mint decals. I bet you'd end up doing so for a reason that has nothing to do with the actual cause of these damage cases. No matter how persuasive the suggested reasons by woodworking experts- ones that didn't design this actual build of materials for CGC.

#3080 2 years ago

Well to be fair most of those pages are people complaining that they haven't got their game yet.

#3081 2 years ago

Here are the cabinet corners on my number matched LE. If anyone wants more pictures of anything, let me know. I'm going to be playing a lot today

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#3082 2 years ago

I ordered in October. None matching LE and have not received yet, but when ordering NIB it usually takes months to get anyway.Not in a rush would love it now, but again I expected the wait.
To ease the pain I ordered a Munsters pro that will be here next week! Yippee!!!
So to all you newbies and impatient complainers (Just Chill) this hobby takes time.

#3083 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinchild:

I ordered in October. None matching LE and have not received yet, but when ordering NIB it usually takes months to get anyway.Not in a rush would love it now, but again I expected the wait.
To ease the pain I ordered a Munsters pro that will be here next week! Yippee!!!
So to all you newbies and impatient complainers (Just Chill) this hobby takes time.

I have to agree. The wait would be a lot easier to deal with if I had a brand new pin to play while I was waiting for my brand new pin.

#3084 2 years ago

Maybe this is due to overtightening of the siderail, not necessarily how the decal is wrapped around the edge, though I'm sure having the decals overlapping on the wood joint would provide more strength.

Here's my AFMr, with no splitting. If this nut were overtightened (boxed in red), it could cause the wood to bow/flex into the channel and put stress on the joint.

Or maybe if the nut was loose, with play between the screwhead/siderail and wood, it could allow racking during shipment and weaken the glued joint.

This joint seems pretty dang solid to me, and it's not like this is solid wood so wood movement shouldn't be a concern. Plywood is dimensionally stable.

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#3085 2 years ago

It's called the Field of Dreams move.

Ease his pain

#3086 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

cgc-ryan doug_duba just checking you guys are seeing this and are taking steps to prevent this on future games!

I am considering bailing on my LE. The info that they are at least looking into it may keep me around awhile. (I would have just got a CE at a later date)

Minor, Splitting / pealing Graphics may not be a issue for some as demonstrated here..but others, yes.

I do wish they would have stated that here, rather then getting it 2nd hand...it may have eased my concern.

To be clear, I want the game, and am thrilled that they remade it...I may just wait till the dust settles, by then the LE's will gone, I'll love the CE at that point.

#3087 2 years ago

yeah if mine are split on delivery I'll be sending it back!

It would be like taking delivery of a new car and the wing having a smack in it. Yes a cargument but a valid one.

#3088 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

yeah if mine are split on delivery I'll be sending it back!
It would be like taking delivery of a new car and the wing having a smack in it. Yes a cargument but a valid one.

Right! I think we all would pass on a graphic defect on a car, when there is the car next to it is perfect.

#3089 2 years ago

Definitely concerned about my LE order now with all the cab decal issues. I guess as long as they send me new decals I can have put on if/when it gets bad enough to replace them I can live with it. Still don't get it but not cancelling my order.

#3090 2 years ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Till then, and definitely till CGC chimes in,

Strangely quiet.

#3091 2 years ago

I love this game... I suck at it but I love it!!! This is my best score yet... The mosh pit and monsters of rock modes are a whole bunch of fun !!!

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#3092 2 years ago

It kills me that I still have to wait for matching numbers pins first before I get mine especially when people are already getting their Munsters pins out there. e? I hope that gets wrapped up by next week.

#3093 2 years ago

Well.. this was a royal pain in the ass. But the full Cliffy set was installed, along with the mantis/Cliffy scoop pairing. He recommends the standard version vs the black line version.

To install:

Remove the scoop from the bottom, and push the post (top left scoop hole on top of playfield) up from underneath.

Remove the existing hole protector.

Test fitnthe Cliffy and do not reinsert the post yet.

Loosen all screws on large middle lightboard.

Insert the mantis protector from underneath, Pull away the lightboard enough to be able to screw the mantis protector down.

Put the post back through the top of the playfield, reattach the scoop, as long as the Cliffy is flat tighten the nut on the post from underneath.

Tighten down lightboard screws.

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#3094 2 years ago

That scoop looks like the edge sticks out above the pf. Won't that get hit by the ball constantly?

#3095 2 years ago

Where do you get the speaker panel Williams decal?

#3096 2 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

Where do you get the speaker panel Williams decal?

Not a decal, that is a custom logo that is uploaded into the machine. I've made a few of them:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1THp-UwMFn_A4XMPIahoYMrmyGP8mlwNr

#3097 2 years ago
Quoted from Zablon:

That scoop looks like the edge sticks out above the pf. Won't that get hit by the ball constantly?

Weird that it looks that way in the picture, it doesn’t come above the playfield at all.

#3098 2 years ago
Quoted from Mokthemagicman:

It kills me that I still have to wait for matching numbers pins first before I get mine especially when people are already getting their Munsters pins out there. e? I hope that gets wrapped up by next week.

munsters doesn't have anything on this pin mate. worth the wait.

#3099 2 years ago

Here are the corners of our two month old MBr CE...

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#3100 2 years ago

My LE will be for sale when it arrives.

I'm not taking it out of the box and leaving it strapped to the pallet.

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