Stop collaborate and listen

No

Uh no... I think your facts are mixed up

Y’all shut up and go play pinball! Now dammit now!

It would probably be much easier to just update your collection list then typing all that out.

I believe the flipper issue on AFMr was corrected with a software update about 5 months after the game was released. I have an MMr LE and it plays as good or better than the Keller restored MM original I used to own.

This is silly. Really silly. I'm both a collector AND a player; most people in the hobby tend to fall into one camp or the other. As a collector, I get both sides of this, if for no other reason than it's hard to be nostalgic about a remake. But, at the same time, why would I want a MB with FEWER features or a smaller screen?! As a player, though, the originals have a different (and, IMHO, better) "feel."

Look down a little more on your collection page. This is what I'm talking about. The "Previously owned" section.

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As a new buyer to the hobby - I put 20 games on a AFMr new to me game, and freaking loved it. I almost bought one on the spot, but the looming MBr has me intreagued.

Too many big words for a pinball forum for my simple conversational skills.

Maybe say something like:
Cool. I didn't notice that feature - I'll start using that. I just wanted to give a quick list of my previously owned pinball machines for convenience.

I am just goofing around.

I am just a simple dude from NC that likes pork BBQ, fried seafood, and sweet tea - and loves pinball.

Hoping the price is nice. I have thinned the herd and am ready for the punch in the nuts price.

Once again....... I’m this hobby for 20 plus years. Had 3 original AFMs , a MB and a MM

I now have 2/3 remakes and will be getting the third

Was VERY skeptical in the beginning but anyone that tells you the remakes are inferior or play different are either full of shit or don’t know they are talking about. Period !!!

Re-makes do play different.

Seriously, I am genuinely amazed that lots of people don't notice.

Flippers just have a different feel.

Probably relating to that huge emulation discussion way back.

Not saying which is better as that is a personal choice. But different - yup, 100%.

I've heard the same from competitive players.

Saying a remake plays differently than original. Is the same as saying my Adams Family plays different than yours.

This argument is invalid as EVERY pinball machine plays different. There are so many factors that go into testing a game.

The only thing I can say is the Remakes tend to work better than most of the games I see in the wild. A little bit snappier.

Though I've played some nice restored AFMs and MMS that play just as well as remake.

So if No 2 machines play exactly alike there is no bar for consistency.

My MMR plays better than my best of three MMs, one of which was a Treasurecove restoration, not even the best. My best original I found on a location with little use. Also, my MMR seems a little faster. My AFMr, on the other hand, never really played like the original I owned, although I loved the extra features. Same thing as I’ve seen between originals, normal variation. The feel is similar when machines are set up properly. I think the CGC product is as close as you could get to Williams doing a reboot if they were around today. I was concerned about decals rather than a silkscreened cabinet like Williams used to do but it really doesn’t matter. It’s a great product.

It's a shame that this hobby has become a lot about value and who's games are better than others....we're all in it together to have fun, who cares whether you have a remake or an original? Who cares which one is better? I was happy when the remake for Medieval came out, it allows more people to enjoy a great game, a small business makes some money and employs a staff, and parts become more plentiful for all of us...and it could potentially introduce more people into our passion.

Chris

Sweet Jesus yes!!! It’s officially announced!!!

And yet...I still feel so empty inside.

Maybe the actual reveal will give me what I need.

Both MMR and AFMR I played had “flopped” flippers. The flippers were adjusted too low and so the shots and flipper timings were all wrong. If you adjust the flippers slightly higher at rest (the toothpick method with the guide holes) the flippers and timing are spot on to the originals.

I completely disagree. They feel different.

“Best game ever”?

Can you post a link re: the original AFM, MM and MB being "made out of balsa wood" as you stated above?

He's not serious. That's just vindictive hyperbole. In reality, it probably just references the bottom of cabinets in the original W/B games being made of pressboard type material, where CGC now uses plywood. Plywood is an improvement over pressboard to be sure, but pressboard is not exactly "balsa wood".

I don't think it was nasty. More hyperbole.

So just to be clear, the cabinet in original AFM, MM, and MB are not made of balsa wood as you stated above?

*sigh*.....the never-ending argument whether the remake is better, worse, feels "Stern-y", better investment (I just LOVE that one), etc etc. In my situation, my wife & I entertain a lot. When we open the house on Memorial Day, we'll have about 12-15 parties until we close it up at Halloween. There is NO WAY I'm putting an original MM, AFM or MB to get the shit played out of it. Mind you, these are by & large respectful adults (assholes aren't asked back) but the pins get a workout all the same, That said, My MMr & AFMr get a good amount of play and to date, I have not had a single problem. If these were originals would that still be the case? Maybe yes, maybe no, but the prices were getting so stratospheric that on those 2 pins that I just would not be comfortable. I'd probably feel the same if I owned a Big Bang Bar. I really don't mind if they don't say 'Williams' on their speaker panels, I really don't. Trust me-not one player has ever mentioned that. These machines are well-built, they DON'T feel "Stern-y" and are good workhorses. As you might gather, all pins that I own get played, they're not museum pieces.

Where do you keep your real jewelry?

Just stop

I don't know if MMr is better or not - but that is what I am going to get.

Pathetic.

What do you folks think the secret features MBr will be ? Seen rumor of new modes/code. Wondering if the Phantom Flip stays in the code, maybe improved consistency..

Some people like remakes, some like originals, some appreciate both. Buy what you like. Don’t need endless posts trying to convince everyone one way or another.

The lose I have taken in Pinball have always been on NIB that I have sold several years later, My old second hand pins I seem to break even or make a few dollars