Well said, I am all for people enjoying their purchases and thinking a game is awesome but calling it the best or #1 game ever after a week or so is ridiculous. I'm sure I've been guilty of it before I loved AC/DC so much out of the box when I got it and still is my favorite game, I don;t think Star Trek will ever pass it that's for sure but who knows. People need to enjoy their games and quit trying to pump them up on here, its just silly. I used to really like the rating system now I don;t even look at it anymore it is so skewed by lovers/haters.

as a group we aren't defensive of people who dislike STLE. we are critical of the people who call us shills. we love the game and guys like you don't and thats cool. we however aren't in the wrong for loving the game.

and lets see if all those that own it and rated it so high, have it after 6 months, cross that out, 4 months, cross that out, 3 months....

Both well said
I think we have all been there though when you get a new game and think it is the sh!t and don't want anyone to critique it. I was totally guilty of that with Xmen when I got it, I pulled a shit fit if someone said something bad about it. That lasted a few weeks then I didn't really care what people thought anymore. So I think we have all been there.

My views at present code revision:

Lightshow: While it looks real nice the insert lighting is overly bright on the playfield. The apron and lower cabinet lights do look killer I have to say. Remains to be seen how the cabinet head lighting is until it is implemented. The laser/penlight starfield projector should have been a different color so it would be an eye popper when active. Instead it blends into the pf colors to well. Flashing insert under the spinner is a cool touch.

Modes: All the same with different animations. Hit shot(s) X times and/or before a timer runs out. Where's the variety?

Dots: All cartoonish and don't fit the theme of the game at all. Now if the machine was a ST(Animated Series) pin then they would work.

Flow: It's a SR game so that's very plentiful.

Only thing that remotely interacts with the ball, toy wise is a single drop target and it's shaking ship. The rest of the ornaments seem to be put on to just bling the game up and serve no function game play wise at all.

Gameplay wise it reminds me of a boring version of MM at this time.

Hopefully future code revisions fix some of the above and make the game better for the owners.

Flame away if you must, just my opinion after playing the PRO and the LE many times at different locations and private collector homes.

I really don't understand the modes complaint about pinballs. Aren't most pinballs mode based to some degree?

The K Urban power pack update

who's ratings are these?

Does it really matter? Not IMO

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It would carry more weight if he wasn't the WOZ poster-boy, relentlessly trashing all Sterns and defending the pin he owns.

Well, I don't know anything about that or the history of his posts... it looks like owns 5 Stern tables?? He can't dislike Stern too much...

At any rate, I agree with what he stated in that post.... especially the "Play What You Like" part

I don't mean to jack the thread.... Well I guess I am the only one that can express a side by side rating on these 2 machines.... Both of these machines are AWESOME, but the Matrix is in a league of its own and will not be produced in the same quantity as STLE.

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So as a pro owner, the LE should have equal or better flow. They're the same with the exception of the VuK which would more cleanly release the ball.

Acdc pro does not have better flow. The stand up targets send the ball around in a more randomized and faster fashion than the drop targets. This does not result in better flow.

As for Metallica pro, I actually agree. The captive ball flows way better than the square hammer plate. I've written about this several times. I think most folks that own neither and have played both several times agree.

I missed where it was announced that Mr. Urban's voice work in Stern's power pack is to be realeased next Friday. I hope you are right!

That's sort of my take on all this stuff......I'd like to be considered a " Pinball Poster Boy" period ( although, I'm 54 sadly)...as we all know, you get enough crap from others just for professing your hobby to outsiders, so I really don't see anything to gain from internal attacks.....

I would love to get an hour or two in on both of those tables...

Just like normal a normal Hall of Fame, I think there needs to be a waiting period before any pin is eligible.

Well at this point all I can tell you is this is the most playable game I have ever enjoyed. And I hate the theme!
I could just own ST and ACDC and be done. Like my other games, but these two are something else!!!

Not buying because of theme!! LOL

Who cares how it got ranked. The people who got it, are over the moon.

Thats all what mathers. Have fun to all owners and dont let this rank moaning spoil it.