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Mods for GnR LE

By iamabearsfan

6 months ago


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#1 6 months ago

Well I pulled the trigger on an LE. The CE's were just too far out of reach.

So while I am waiting for the machine, I thought it would be fun to line up some "upgrades" or "mods".

Curious on everyone's thoughts of what I should get first.

Out of the gate I am thinking some kind of sound upgrade and mirrors. Options for those?

What else would you consider and why?

Links/costs would be appreciated so others can benefit from this thread. A lot of times people will mention an upgrade/mod, and not how to find it (and yes, sometimes searches don't work well

Thanks advance for any intel/info!!!

Happy Holidays All!

Dave

#2 6 months ago

For sound go to pinwoofer and get the the kit.

#3 6 months ago
Quoted from Jamesays:

For sound go to pinwoofer and get the the kit.

Worth the extra $45 for the "GT" amplifier over the "KO"? And why do they offer colors for the amplifier mounting bracket? It is installed inside the cabinet, right?

#4 6 months ago

Ya it installs where coin box is, just fun to match color up with machine. I have a ko and a gt and both are excellent

#5 6 months ago

I added mirror blades and they look awesome. Cant go wrong with the official blades either that have the poster Artwork.

#6 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

Worth the extra $45 for the "GT" amplifier over the "KO"? And why do they offer colors for the amplifier mounting bracket? It is installed inside the cabinet, right?

If you are going to add a sub which I highly recommend, you need to go with the GT

LIORs mods are great

Pin Stadiums Concert Editions are another must.

#7 6 months ago

All right, update. Ordered the following:

1) Pinwoofer GT kit
2) Pin Stadium CE
3) Little Shop of Games Skull, Bullet Shooter Rod, and Sculpted Action Button Piece

The last thing I am thinking are mirror blades. Thoughts of which ones to choose? I know some have patterns and some are just clear. But the clear ones come in colors too. Thoughts?

#8 6 months ago

Might wanna wait on ordering mirrors until you get the machine. Mine is so tight mirrors will not fit. I put in art blades from tilt graphics and can only get one protector in until I lift it 3 inches

#9 6 months ago

https://www.pinballlife.com/interior-cabinet-protector-blade-set.html
Highly recommend these . If you buy jjp blades they come with them.

#10 6 months ago
Quoted from Hayfarmer:

Might wanna wait on ordering mirrors until you get the machine. Mine is so tight mirrors will not fit. I put in art blades from tilt graphics and can only get one protector in until I lift it 3 inches

Good to know. I wonder if other people were able to get them to fit. In other words is the constraint machine specific?

I do have the protectors and they are WELL worth the $. My issue is not always remembering to use them

#11 6 months ago

I have a few mods for GnR. I also offer custom paint jobs on Liors mods. pics here www.modfatherpinball.com Chuck

#12 6 months ago

Here's my list of my mods with links. I've been wanting to document this in one place so here we go..

Ultimate Stage upgrade kit and drums mod by Sven ( awesome! ) Novice install. Best enhancement imo.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mod-jjp-guns-n-roses-le-ce-ultimate-stage-upgrade-kit#post-6353651

Bullets (another favorite). Intermediate install, but worth it.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/124634

Lermods.com
Back box translite light,. Cool white looks better than warm white in my opinion. Warm is too orange. Cool white pops colors. Novice install.
https://lermods.com/shop/ols/products/guns-n-roses-pinball-full-translight-kit

Lermods.com
Backstage/trough LED combo. Creates nice glow fading colors on backstage and trough. Novice install.
https://lermods.com/shop/ols/products/guns-n-roses-pinball-rgb-backboard-trough-combo

Robot eye start button
https://superskillshot.com/products/gus-n-roses-start-button?_pos=2&_sid=3f96ba806&_ss=r&variant=39297866268735

Pulse lamp control mod for eye start mod
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1305-trumpanche-mods/05089-lamp-control-mod-for-jjp-gnr-robot-eye-start-button

Lighted flipper buttons (red of course)
https://www.pinballlife.com/britebuttons-illuminated-flipper-button-set-jjp-for-dialed-in.html

Flipper covers..
Many out there.. my fave is Mr tantrums
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/118405

Pinwoofer (gt for line out, ko for no line out. Info here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-amplified-subwoofer-kits-by-pinwoofer/page/13#post-6448546)
Order here:
https://pinwoofer.com/pinwoofer-jjp-super-kit/

Tibetan breeze fans.. flipper fade is real. Must have.
https://pinmonk.com/products/tibetan-breeze-jjp-pin-3-flipper-cooling-kit

Lior skull and shooter. Unmatched coolness.
https://littleshopofgames.com/shop/the-art-of-pinball/bundle-shooter-and-skull/

Art blades. Official jjp. Use wet install method.
https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/jersey-jack-pinball-guns-n-roses-side-art

Topper.. official jjp. Simple, affordable.
https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/guns-n-roses-topper-by-jersey-jack-pinball

Sabian decals for cymbals (this is what was used by the drummer in the nitl tour. Zildjen are old drummer AFD tour, so if you want to be theme authentic, choose sabian)
https://www.pingraffix.com/product-page/guns-n-roses-cymbal-decals-option-2

Slash 4" figurine (superstars brand) jamming backstage . Ebay these pop up from time to time 2 listings currently as of this post. Pic below
https://images.app.goo.gl/JurmFYuhGf84gv8m8

Slash Guitar keychain (painted) mounted to cover metal bracket to over crowd / launch Lane. eBay.com
ebay.com link: 0
Pic below
Another option: https://modfatherpinball.com/collections/guns-n-roses/products/guns-n-roses-playfield-guitar-red

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Lior's action button. Beautiful.
https://littleshopofgames.com/shop/the-art-of-pinball/guns-n-roses-sculpted-action-button-by-art-of-pinball/

Added 6 months ago:

Pinstadium concert edition ultra+ for gnr
https://pinstadium.com/product/neo-concert-edition_pinball_mods/

Added 6 months ago:

Cliffy' protector set
http://www.passionforpinball.com/jjp_guns_n_roses.htm

Added 165 days ago:

Pinball life nylon washer leg and bolt protector
https://www.pinballlife.com/pinguard-nylon-leg-and-bolt-protectors-colored.html

Leg bolt Cup holders are Essential. There are so many to choose from. But I got mine at little shop of games, translucent red, left orientation.
https://littleshopofgames.com/shop/pinball-accessories/pingulp-beverage-caddy-premium-a-cup-holder-that-mounts-on-pinball-machine-legs/

Modfather Gibson guitar mod to cover the bracket over the shooter Lane. I ordered red, which is really more honeyburst, just fyi. Here is a link to a post with picture on there owners thread during a mod discussion.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-jjp-gnr-thread/page/393#post-6732243
Also black available.
https://modfatherpinball.com/collections/guns-n-roses/products/guns-n-roses-playfield-guitar-red

Just noticed modfather has a slash action figure variation here:
https://modfatherpinball.com/collections/guns-n-roses/products/guns-n-roses-playfield-character-slash

Added 165 days ago:

The guitar over the bracket mod that I originally added in this post shown the picture has been replaced by the modfather guitar mentioned above and put in a different orientation. A link to a picture of that is above. Along with a picture of the cup holder I mentioned.

Added 97 days ago:

Pinballmodz.com JJP topper mods

Monkey mod
https://www.pinballmodz.com/product-page/gnr-marquee-topper-rgb-logo-monkey-mod-v1-1

Marquee lights
https://www.pinballmodz.com/product-page/jjp-gnr-oem-top-rgb-led

Added 97 days ago:

Pinmonk diverter and Magnet cooling kit (requires flipper cooling kit)
https://pinmonk.com/products/gnr-magnet-and-diverter-cooling-kit

Pinmonk air ball drain barrier
https://pinmonk.com/products/guns-n-roses-airball-drain-barrier?_pos=1&_sid=940573503&_ss=r

Pinmonk LE badge frame
https://pinmonk.com/products/jjp-guns-n-roses-le-badge-frame?_pos=2&_psq=guns&_ss=e&_v=1.0

Back alley creations skull flipper toppers
https://backalleycreations.com/products/skull-flipper-topper-4pcs-set-for-guns-n-roses?_pos=5&_sid=0f2803acd&_ss=r

#13 6 months ago

If you have seen my past machines you know I always have moditis! Just finished up modding my new GNR LE to what I like but not everyones cup ... If you enjoy modding check the pictures link as promised Now it's time to start playing it ha ha Enjoy I love this bad boy!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tk6p5ri028cagru/AAB2cRr0FefrVBUhqUQM-E_ca?dl=0

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#14 6 months ago

I've got mirror blades and they fit just fine. For pinstadiums get the xeno mounts (they can be a pain to initially set up but the work great). I also recommend the tibetan breeze fans and pinwoofer.

Also, if you're into DIY mods, check out this video I made:

If you go down this route, make sure your splices are solid and don't forget a power supply for the LEDs (mentioned in the description of the video).

#15 6 months ago
Quoted from daveyvandy:

For pinstadiums get the xeno mounts (they can be a pain to initially set up but the work great).

Pinstadium concert edition ultra+ for gnr comes with Xeno, just fyi. Next run of those will be in the next month or two.

P.s. That's a great video!!

#16 6 months ago

One of my favorite mods so far have been these plastic protectors from Freddy’s Pinball Paradise! I love the pop of color they add and the reflection from the mirrored side blades is an added bonus!

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#17 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

One of my favorite mods so far have been these plastic protectors from Freddy’s Pinball Paradise! I love the pop of color they add and the reflection from the mirrored side blades is an added bonus!
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Wow that looks incredible! Do they have an English website?

#18 6 months ago
Quoted from hool10:

Wow that looks incredible! Do they have an English website?

I just used the Google Translate feature on Chrome.

#19 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

One of my favorite mods so far have been these plastic protectors from Freddy’s Pinball Paradise! I love the pop of color they add and the reflection from the mirrored side blades is an added bonus!
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That does look really cool... Looking at your playfield, I think you'd dig the bullets mod mentioned in my previous post. #12
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mods-for-gnr-le#post-6663855

#20 6 months ago
Quoted from Vespula:

That does look really cool... Looking at your playfield, I think you'd dig the bullets mod mentioned in my previous post. #12
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mods-for-gnr-le#post-6663855

Yeah, I certainly prefer this look over the stock black plastic caps, but the potential install for these has kept me from purchasing. In all seriousness, how bad is the install process (how time consuming)?!

#21 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

Yeah, I certainly prefer this look over the stock black plastic caps, but the potential install for these has kept me from purchasing. In all seriousness, how bad is the install process (how time consuming)?!

Super easy. Highly recommend em.

#22 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

Yeah, I certainly prefer this look over the stock black plastic caps, but the potential install for these has kept me from purchasing. In all seriousness, how bad is the install process (how time consuming)?!

I did first 3 in 30 minutes, when he came out with the next set I ordered those and probably same. Set aside an hour and you'll probably end up making me look slow.

#23 6 months ago
Quoted from BladeFury:

If you have seen my past machines you know I always have moditis! Just finished up modding my new GNR LE to what I like but not everyones cup ... If you enjoy modding check the pictures link as promised Now it's time to start playing it ha ha Enjoy I love this bad boy!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tk6p5ri028cagru/AAB2cRr0FefrVBUhqUQM-E_ca?dl=0[quoted image]

So where did you get that topper? I have a low ceiling and this would be ideal.

#24 6 months ago
Quoted from daveyvandy:

I've got mirror blades and they fit just fine. For pinstadiums get the xeno mounts (they can be a pain to initially set up but the work great). I also recommend the tibetan breeze fans and pinwoofer.
Also, if you're into DIY mods, check out this video I made:
If you go down this route, make sure your splices are solid and don't forget a power supply for the LEDs (mentioned in the description of the video).

So I had just ordered the pinstadiums package. Will it include the Xeno mounts by default or is this something I had to request?

#25 6 months ago
Quoted from hool10:

Wow that looks incredible! Do they have an English website?

Yeh, I am struggling as well to read the Freddy’s Pinball Paradise website? I click on Google Translate, but doesn't seem to work on their e-commerce site.

#26 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

Yeh, I am struggling as well to read the Freddy’s Pinball Paradise website? I click on Google Translate, but doesn't seem to work on their e-commerce site.

I emailed them to make sure I was ordering the right kit, and the gal that responded did so in English. Maybe just email them directly and order that way. They were extremely friendly so I’m sure they’ll get you taken care of! I’ll be ordering my GZ plastics from here for sure.

#27 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

So I had just ordered the pinstadiums package. Will it include the Xeno mounts by default or is this something I had to request?

Scott told me that the Xeno mounts are included by default.

#28 6 months ago
Quoted from parsonsaj:

Scott told me that the Xeno mounts are included by default.

It's worth noting that if you have LIOR's stage kit mods, it's likely you won't be able to use the Xeno mount on the right side. OR you can use the right Xeno but not the right speaker accessory. Unfortunately, that particular mod interferes with the placement of the Xeno on that side, which in honestly is just another reason to potentially consider Sven's kit instead. No issues using the Xenos with his kit and I'd argue it looks better than LIORs as well!

#29 6 months ago

Freddys site does have English. It’s not the most user friendly site but if you go to shop, somewhere down the left side there’s a German and British flag for languages. Then the shop descriptions mostly turn to English.

#30 6 months ago

It’s tiny… kept it in the 2nd screenshot without zooming in my iPhone, just so you get an idea how difficult it is to notice

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#31 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

One of my favorite mods so far have been these plastic protectors from Freddy’s Pinball Paradise! I love the pop of color they add and the reflection from the mirrored side blades is an added bonus!
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Are these clear or colored protectors. I only see clear on the website. How do you generate the color?

#32 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

So where did you get that topper? I have a low ceiling and this would be ideal.

https://www.pingraffix.com/product-page/jjp-guns-n-roses-stadium-topper

#33 6 months ago
Quoted from Trojanlaw:

Are these clear or colored protectors. I only see clear on the website. How do you generate the color?

They sell a full colored kit on their website. It’s somewhat tricky to find because of the translation issues but I promise it’s on there.

#34 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

So I had just ordered the pinstadiums package. Will it include the Xeno mounts by default or is this something I had to request?

On the earlier runs you had to specifically request them and they were extra. I believe on the later runs it is included. You can always reach out to Scott at pinstadium to see what you got.

#35 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

They sell a full colored kit on their website. It’s somewhat tricky to find because of the translation issues but I promise it’s on there.

For those of you struggling to find the right link: http://www.shop.freddys-pinball-paradise.de/e.php?we=1&q=3307311633

#36 6 months ago

What about for the rest of us that are just struggling?

#37 6 months ago

At the rate I am going, could have bought a CE with all this Mod'ing . To be honest though, I like how this LE is going to shape up.

Updated list based on your recommendations out there...

1) Pinwoofer GT kit
2) Pin Stadium CE
3) Little Shop of Games Skull, Bullet Shooter Rod, and Sculpted Action Button Piece
4) Sven's updated stage kit
5) Freddy's lighted (color) pinball protectors

Still struggling on the topper. Here are the choices I see out there in the wild:

1) Flame/Sound bar that comes with the CE
2) The Sold Out Show signage one
3) The stadium light one with the moving lights

Of those three, I LOVE the stadium light one. I also have a challenge because my ceiling in my basement is really low. So why don't I get that one? Price. I just can't see me forking over almost 2K for that topper. Wife would kill me!

Are there other options out there that I haven't seen?

Also need side mirrors too. I think I am going with either silver mirrors or dark mirrors. Not any with graphics. I feel there is enough going on on that machine from a graphic perspective. Once I get the mirrors and topper, I think I will be done (for now...

Thanks again for all of the input...

Dave

#38 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

One of my favorite mods so far have been these plastic protectors from Freddy’s Pinball Paradise! I love the pop of color they add and the reflection from the mirrored side blades is an added bonus!
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Looks like your bottom flipper needs realigned.

#39 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

At the rate I am going, could have bought a CE with all this Mod'ing . To be honest though, I like how this LE is going to shape up.
Updated list based on your recommendations out there...
1) Pinwoofer GT kit
2) Pin Stadium CE
3) Little Shop of Games Skull, Bullet Shooter Rod, and Sculpted Action Button Piece
4) Sven's updated stage kit
5) Freddy's lighted (color) pinball protectors
Here are the choices I see out there in the wild:
1) Flame/Sound bar that comes with the CE
2) The Sold Out Show signage one
3) The stadium light one with the moving lights
Of those three, I LOVE the stadium light one. I also have a challenge because my ceiling in my basement is really low. So why don't I get that one? Price. I just can't see me forking over almost 2K for that topper. Wife would kill me!
Are there other options out there that I haven't seen?
Also need side mirrors too. I think I am going with either silver mirrors or dark mirrors. Not any with graphics. I feel there is enough going on on that machine from a graphic perspective. Once I get the mirrors and topper, I think I will be done (for now...
Thanks again for all of the input...
Dave

Forget about the price of the Topper, it’s worth it in person! Everyone who comes over notices it first thing and love it! Matching powder coated coin door is also another favorite..yep it adds up quick in add-ons passing $4k now…but love it

#40 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

At the rate I am going, could have bought a CE with all this Mod'ing . To be honest though, I like how this LE is going to shape up.
Updated list based on your recommendations out there...
1) Pinwoofer GT kit
2) Pin Stadium CE
3) Little Shop of Games Skull, Bullet Shooter Rod, and Sculpted Action Button Piece
4) Sven's updated stage kit
5) Freddy's lighted (color) pinball protectors
Still struggling on the topper. Here are the choices I see out there in the wild:
1) Flame/Sound bar that comes with the CE
2) The Sold Out Show signage one
3) The stadium light one with the moving lights
Of those three, I LOVE the stadium light one. I also have a challenge because my ceiling in my basement is really low. So why don't I get that one? Price. I just can't see me forking over almost 2K for that topper. Wife would kill me!
Are there other options out there that I haven't seen?
Also need side mirrors too. I think I am going with either silver mirrors or dark mirrors. Not any with graphics. I feel there is enough going on on that machine from a graphic perspective. Once I get the mirrors and topper, I think I will be done (for now...
Thanks again for all of the input...
Dave

If you're in that price range for a topper then you are also a candidate for Lior's when it comes out. It will be stunning I'm sure, and not over 2k per his post on his thread. There's some previews... Don't know the height however so that could be a deal breaker for you...

P.s. Your list didn't include pinmonks fans, So unless you're modding this LE to just look at it, when you actually play it more than 20 minutes, you will be adding fans at some point. They Do an excellent job of cooling the flippers to minimize fade. Essential gear.

#41 6 months ago
Quoted from BladeFury:

Forget about the price of the Topper, it’s worth it in person! Everyone who comes over notices it first thing and love it! Matching powder coated coin door is also another favorite..yep it adds up quick in add-ons passing $4k now…but love it

I can't wait to get mine , it should arrive any day and I just didn't tell the wife about it

#42 6 months ago

I "made" a couple of mods .
A belt buckle for the apron stuck on with magnets and a key ring , which I super glued to a bracket . Both off eBay .

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#43 6 months ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

Looks like your bottom flipper needs realigned.

It’s on purpose. I adjusted it to make the left ramp more accessible from the left flipper. It was an impossible shot on my game as-is. Admittedly, I do need to take it back down a bit now that I’m getting better at the game!

#44 6 months ago
Quoted from atg1469:

It’s on purpose. I adjusted it to make the left ramp more accessible from the left flipper. It was an impossible shot on my game as-is. Admittedly, I do need to take it back down a bit now that I’m getting better at the game!

Looks like totem!

#45 6 months ago
Quoted from Vespula:

If you're in that price range for a topper then you are also a candidate for Lior's when it comes out. It will be stunning I'm sure, and not over 2k per his post on his thread. There's some previews... Don't know the height however so that could be a deal breaker for you...
P.s. Your list didn't include pinmonks fans, So unless you're modding this LE to just look at it, when you actually play it more than 20 minutes, you will be adding fans at some point. They Do an excellent job of cooling the flippers to minimize fade. Essential gear.

So this amazes me that JJP has not addressed this issue at this point. Has anyone contacted Jack directly on this issue? Seems pretty easy to address and I would think he wouldn't want to be known for selling a 10K+ pin that only can be played for 20 minutes?

#46 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

So this amazes me that JJP has not addressed this issue at this point. Has anyone contacted Jack directly on this issue? Seems pretty easy to address and I would think he wouldn't want to be known for selling a 10K+ pin that only can be played for 20 minutes?

Maybe it's a USA thing ?
We run 240 volts down here , and I can easily hit every shot , even after playing for 5 hours straight

#47 6 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

So this amazes me that JJP has not addressed this issue at this point. Has anyone contacted Jack directly on this issue? Seems pretty easy to address and I would think he wouldn't want to be known for selling a 10K+ pin that only can be played for 20 minutes?

First, Merry Christmas!
Second,
Careful your thread's going to go sideways and turn into a JJP bashing thread. Fast.... I like this thread and prefer to keep on topic. The fade starts after 20 minutes and ramps up and is very noticeable by 45 minutes of playing. I think even with my fans if I'm playing a lot and hit a heavy multiball long song, Maybe like Chinese democracy, where i'm constantly flipping with six balls on the field and multiple hitting my flippers at the same time repeatedly during that song with occasional trapping, then towards the end the flippers are definitely weaker. I need a break after a game like that anyway so I get to recover with a break and the game flippers recovers quickly with the fans.

Let's just end it with saying enjoy your game play it and you decide. Maybe u will have the same results as screaminr !!
I'm a big believer in not fixing what ain't broke So I think it's smart to wait and see what happens... Then you can decide, or call Jack, or start a new thread on this topic or join one of the many out there.
Meanwhile you can read about the fans and the background on flipper fade from PinMonk in detail here: https://pinmonk.com/products/tibetan-breeze-jjp-pin-3-flipper-cooling-kit
He would be happy to share with you his data charts on flipper coil temps over game time with and without fans from all his significant testing and research with Karl/ iepinball iepinball , zaphX , etc.

Happy New Year!

#48 6 months ago
Quoted from Vespula:

Careful your thread's going to go sideways and turn into a JJP bashing thread.

Quoted from Vespula:

P.s. Your list didn't include pinmonks fans, So unless you're modding this LE to just look at it, when you actually play it more than 20 minutes, you will be adding fans at some point. They Do an excellent job of cooling the flippers to minimize fade. Essential gear.

Just to be clear , I'm not bashing jjp . I love the company . You're the one saying they have an issue with their flippers .
I've never had a flipper strength / fade issue with the three jjp games I have owned .
Maybe I haven't noticed the issue because I have been able to hit all the shots , but if I can hit all the shots , in my opinion there is no problem .

#49 6 months ago
Quoted from Vespula:

First, Merry Christmas!
Second,
Careful your thread's going to go sideways and turn into a JJP bashing thread. Fast.... I like this thread and prefer to keep on topic. The fade starts after 20 minutes and ramps up and is very noticeable by 45 minutes of playing. I think even with my fans if I'm playing a heavy multiball long song, Maybe like Chinese democracy, where i'm constantly flipping with six balls on the field and multiple hitting my flippers at the same time repeatedly during that song with occasional trapping, then towards the end the flippers are definitely weaker. I need a break after a game like that anyway so I get to recover with a break and the game flippers recovers quickly with the fans.
Let's just end it with saying enjoy your game play it and you decide. Maybe u will have the same results as screaminr !!
I'm a big believer in not fixing what ain't broke So I think it's smart to wait and see what happens... Then you can decide, or call Jack, or start a new thread on this topic or join one of the many out there.
Meanwhile you can read about the fans and the background on flipper fade from PinMonk in detail here: https://pinmonk.com/products/tibetan-breeze-jjp-pin-3-flipper-cooling-kit
He would be happy to share with you his data charts on flipper coil temps over game time with and without fans from all his significant testing and research with Karl/ @iepinball , zaphX , etc.
Happy New Year!

I absolutely don't want people to bash JJP. It sounds like there are different experiences with different people. Wonder if the power coming into the house plays into that?

I think I will get the machine and see where it goes from here. I do appreciate the insight though.

I used to own a Monopoly and had the opposite problem. I had to get a voltage regulator to make it so the balls wouldn't break stuff.

Thanks!

Dave

Oh, Merry Xmas as well!

#50 6 months ago

The data sheet is on there. Here's right flipper temps over time with and without fans.... How that translates to your gaming experience remains to be seen...! Maybe you don't have that particular model flipper coil in yours screaminr
Is it possible jjp upgraded to a different part for 240hz? Maybe.
right-flipper-temp-compare_1080x (resized).jpg

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