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Modified Harbor Freight Lift Table

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    #1201 3 months ago

    its no different than any other hydraulic bottle jack. the rubber plug is fine, you should only fill the reservoir up to the bottom of that hole IF the jack were vertical. like mentioned above, if you over fill it then when the table comes down its going to force the plug out, if you replace it with a bolt and overfill it the table wont come down, there has to be an empty space for non pressurized fluid to return to. if you want to be critical, tip the table up towards the handle end until its vertical, then fill it to the bottom of the hole, no more. too much and you going to make a mess.

    #1202 3 months ago
    Quoted from bfastr:

    its no different than any other hydraulic bottle jack. the rubber plug is fine, you should only fill the reservoir up to the bottom of that hole IF the jack were vertical. like mentioned above, if you over fill it then when the table comes down its going to force the plug out, if you replace it with a bolt and overfill it the table wont come down, there has to be an empty space for non pressurized fluid to return to. if you want to be critical, tip the table up towards the handle end until its vertical, then fill it to the bottom of the hole, no more. too much and you going to make a mess.

    The way you explained it makes sense. The confusion then would be 100% caused by the manual. It tells you to not even use it until you bleed it. It references an actual filler bolt. It says somewhere that it only ships half full. Notice step 4 that tells you to completely fill it. Step 5 references threads that are not present on a rubber plug lol. I guess the true winners this time are those that DIDN'T "RTFM" lol!

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    #1203 3 months ago

    haha.. I feel your pain. the instructions are garbage. but keep in mind, its Horrible Freight. I have the same table and saw that too.
    but you really dont need a bolt. I am guessing the instructions were written when they were working out the design, once it was translated nobody bothered to proof read it. The table is just mediocre by design, mine will slowly drop no matter what I do if I leave it up. but for 200 bucks what can I expect.

    #1204 3 months ago
    Quoted from bfastr:

    haha.. I feel your pain. the instructions are garbage. but keep in mind, its Horrible Freight. I have the same table and saw that too.
    but you really dont need a bolt. I am guessing the instructions were written when they were working out the design, once it was translated nobody bothered to proof read it. The table is just mediocre by design, mine will slowly drop no matter what I do if I leave it up. but for 200 bucks what can I expect.

    I followed the manual and experienced the flying plug a couple of times before I realized the instructions were wrong. Mine still slowly drops but it works more than well enough to get the job done. I have taken it to several festivals where it has done extensive and good service.

    #1205 3 months ago

    I wish someone with adequate experience would post a youtube video of exactly what they did to get this working... Seems like horrible freight can't be bothered and no one has even tried to properly documented the refill procedure.

    Just weird.

    #1206 3 months ago
    Quoted from Zitt:

    I wish someone with adequate experience would post a youtube video of exactly what they did to get this working... Seems like horrible freight can't be bothered and no one has even tried to properly documented the refill procedure.
    Just weird.

    When mine was low I just added hydraulic fluid, raised/lowered a few times to bleed it, then reinstalled the, apparent "rubber plug of death"....No issues

    #1207 3 months ago

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    #1208 3 months ago
    Quoted from Dakine747:

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    Yea great cart all I did was cut the handle down so it fits under a pinball machine ,had my for 10 years now still going strong and for the price

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    #1209 3 months ago

    Here’s my mods.

    If I had it to do over again, I’d raise the pivot point so the handle could lay flat.

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    #1210 3 months ago
    Quoted from undrdog:

    Here’s my mods.
    If I had it to do over again, I’d raise the pivot point so the handle could lay flat.
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    Grab a coupla binimi boat hinges, and a cheap pipe cutter, and ya still can!

    https://www.amazon.com/Keehui-Connector-Stainless-Coupling-Hardware/dp/B07W4HMMY1/ref=asc_df_B07W4HMMY1/

    #1211 3 months ago

    Nice! Thanks for the suggestion.

    #1212 3 months ago

    CrazyLevi Does the handle lower completely on the Apollo cart or do you do a special adjustment for it? My HF cart has oil drained out and looking for another cart.
    Thanks in advance!
    sputnikim

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I own this Apollo cart and I can assure you it's worth the money. Incredibly high-quality, lifts my games 2 feet in the air...it's been a game-changer. "Built like a tank" as everybody in pinball likes to say about everything.
    it also weighs close to 200 pounds so forget about using it anywhere but the shop. But I have my altered HF 500 pound model for road trips if necessary.

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    #1213 88 days ago
    Quoted from undrdog:

    Nice! Thanks for the suggestion.

    Did you use 7/8" or 1"?

    #1214 88 days ago
    Quoted from pinball2020:

    CrazyLevi Does the handle lower completely on the Apollo cart or do you do a special adjustment for it? My HF cart has oil drained out and looking for another cart.
    Thanks in advance!
    sputnikim

    The handle is fixed in place. But the cart is so long that you don't need a folding handle to move games even from the front.

    Again, this thing is a monster. Not for leaving the shop (unless you have a truck with a lift-gate) and not for any area where you don't have room to store it.

    #1215 88 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The handle is fixed in place. But the cart is so long that you don't need a folding handle to move games even from the front.
    Again, this thing is a monster. Not for leaving the shop (unless you have a truck with a lift-gate) and not for any area where you don't have room to store it.

    I think he was wondering if any part of this mechanism allows for the handle to be folded. For instance, lowering it flat on the surface of the lift table so the whole thing can be stored under a pin.

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    #1216 88 days ago
    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    I think he was wondering if any part of this mechanism allows for the handle to be folded. For instance, lowering it flat on the surface of the lift table so the whole thing can be stored under a pin.
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    Yeah I suppose it does. I'm pretty sure that's how it arrived (folded over). I'll check again and see how easy it is to fold it back down; would actually help me for storing it.

    #1217 88 days ago

    Yes, thank you Ballderdash and CrazyLevi - that is my question . Please let me know if you can.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Yeah I suppose it does. I'm pretty sure that's how it arrived (folded over). I'll check again and see how easy it is to fold it back down; would actually help me for storing it.

    #1218 88 days ago
    Quoted from Spauldingdp:

    Did you use 7/8" or 1"?

    I haven’t bought the pivot yet. The HF tubing on mine is 1” o.d.

    #1219 87 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Yeah I suppose it does. I'm pretty sure that's how it arrived (folded over). I'll check again and see how easy it is to fold it back down; would actually help me for storing it.

    Can you report back on this? Possibly with a picture if it does indeed fold…

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    #1220 76 days ago

    Buy them off of AliExpress and you'll get two for the price Amazon is charging. Make sure to select the 25mm ones.

    Boat Hardware Accessories Pole Railing Mast Canopy Stainless Steel Tube Pipe Folding Swivel Coupling Connector 22mm/25mm
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    #1221 76 days ago

    Sadly, my lift table is toast.

    I tried refilling again, this time I saw the hydro fluid was leaking from the seal around the piston.

    #1222 76 days ago
    Quoted from Zitt:

    Sadly, my lift table is toast.
    I tried refilling again, this time I saw the hydro fluid was leaking from the seal around the piston.

    Sorry to hear that. I really want to know from CrazyLevi if this cart’s handle folds without modification. It may be the way to go for your replacement. https://www.apolloliftus.com/products/a-2001

    #1223 76 days ago
    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    Sorry to hear that. I really want to know from CrazyLevi if this cart’s handle folds without modification. It may be the way to go for your replacement. https://www.apolloliftus.com/products/a-2001

    Excerpt from the webpage you posted:

    FEATURES:

    Foot pedal cycles to max height: 32
    Handle can be folded down
    Handle plate provides protection from falling down

    #1224 76 days ago
    Quoted from parsonsaj:

    Excerpt from the webpage you posted:
    FEATURES:
    Foot pedal cycles to max height: 32
    Handle can be folded down
    Handle plate provides protection from falling down

    Fantastic. Reading is hard, ok?! lol

    #1225 76 days ago
    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    Fantastic. Reading is hard, ok?! lol

    Hey I didn't mean to come across as snarky.... I had to pore through that site before I found that, it wasn't right out front or anything

    That looks like a bit sturdier cart than the HF one... if mine ever fails I will keep that in mind as an alternative.

    #1226 76 days ago

    That cart is nice... but; ouch the price. Not much more expensive than the HF table; but, the HF table can be couponed down a bit.
    Considering how much I use mine a various points throughout the year... I need to give the replacement some serious choice.
    Does Granger and/or that other tool store (northern tool) have a suitable equivalent?

    #1227 76 days ago
    Quoted from Zitt:

    That cart is nice... but; ouch the price. Not much more expensive than the HF table; but, the HF table can be couponed down a bit.
    Considering how much I use mine a various points throughout the year... I need to give the replacement some serious choice.
    Does Granger and/or that other tool store (northern tool) have a suitable equivalent?

    Buy a good one once or buy a crappy one twice? Deal with filling the hydraulic fluid and modifying the handle or begin using it out of the box? I learned the hard way by watching my old man. He’d buy the crappy version of everything in order to save a buck. I guarantee he ended up spending more money and time in the long run, both fixing and replacing his budget brand.

    #1228 76 days ago
    Quoted from Zitt:

    I need to give the replacement some serious choice. Does Granger and/or that other tool store (northern tool) have a suitable equivalent?

    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    Buy a good one once or buy a crappy one twice? Deal with filling the hydraulic fluid and modifying the handle or begin using it out of the box? I learned the hard way by watching my old man. He’d buy the crappy version of everything in order to save a buck. I guarantee he ended up spending more money and time in the long run, both fixing and replacing his budget brand.

    I've got original WICO carts (3 of 'em) and I do enough pinball work that I'm really happy I have them. I'm not sure I have any hydraulic fluid in any of their cylinders... I just partially step on the release pedal as I lower the pinball gently.

    I was quite surprised that Happ Controls sells the modern remake of the WICO:

    https://na.suzohapp.com/products/pinball_parts/33-1114-10

    My WICO carts are 19 1/2 tall, and modern Stern's are 18 1/2 clearance if you have the leg levelers with nuts screwed all the way up. This is an annoyance, but according to Happ's spec sheet, the new ones are made with 17" clearance, so they should easily slide under new Sterns.

    Another annoyance is that Data East pinballs like Jurassic Park I sometimes have to put a 2x4 board on the back of my vintage wico carts to raise the back legs up high enough to where the leg levelers don't drag.

    I still find the WICO style cart to be an indispensable part of my modest pinball operation. It's just the right tool.

    I know that this is a thread about the Harbor Freight table, and a friend of mine has been using his Harbor Freight table nearly every week to move his pinballs around for a lot of years. It's a good product, but not quite heavy-duty enough for my usage.

    #1229 76 days ago

    I wouldn't doubt for a minute that the HF and the Apollo are made from the same mfg. In both cases the handle flips forward, which is not what you want so you need to reverse the handle. The cable for the trigger becomes tight but it can reach. Looks like identical brackets to me. Are the hydraulics the same, that's probably the biggest question.

    #1230 76 days ago
    Quoted from PinRetail:

    I've got original WICO carts (3 of 'em) and I do enough pinball work that I'm really happy I have them. I'm not sure I have any hydraulic fluid in any of their cylinders... I just partially step on the release pedal as I lower the pinball gently.
    I was quite surprised that Happ Controls sells the modern remake of the WICO:
    https://na.suzohapp.com/products/pinball_parts/33-1114-10
    My WICO carts are 19 1/2 tall, and modern Stern's are 18 1/2 clearance if you have the leg levelers with nuts screwed all the way up. This is an annoyance, but according to Happ's spec sheet, the new ones are made with 17" clearance, so they should easily slide under new Sterns.
    Another annoyance is that Data East pinballs like Jurassic Park I sometimes have to put a 2x4 board on the back of my vintage wico carts to raise the back legs up high enough to where the leg levelers don't drag.
    I still find the WICO style cart to be an indispensable part of my modest pinball operation. It's just the right tool.
    I know that this is a thread about the Harbor Freight table, and a friend of mine has been using his Harbor Freight table nearly every week to move his pinballs around for a lot of years. It's a good product, but not quite heavy-duty enough for my usage.

    I have this cart. I required all 4 wheels to be swivel type to navigate narrow corners. It’s the same as you linked but a more direct source and cheaper. https://twistedquarter.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1315

    #1231 76 days ago
    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    I have this cart. I required all 4 wheels to be swivel type to navigate narrow corners. It’s the same as you linked but a more direct source and cheaper. https://twistedquarter.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1315

    Does the handle fold on top of the bed so it can be stored completely under a machine in use?

    #1232 76 days ago
    Quoted from Ballderdash:

    Sorry to hear that. I really want to know from CrazyLevi if this cart’s handle folds without modification. It may be the way to go for your replacement. https://www.apolloliftus.com/products/a-2001

    Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see an easy way to fold over the handlebar.

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    #1233 76 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see an easy way to fold over the handlebar.
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    The thin metal bar going across is for your foot. You push that bar down and it will unlock the handlebar. It will only go backwards unless you flip the handlebar then it will only go forward. The Bimini mod allows it to go both ways.

    #1234 76 days ago

    This thread served me well. That Lowes receipt and the Amazon links really helped. You definitely need those 15 manly minutes in the garage, and some other hardware, to get the modified HF handle working properly and securely.

    Great thread!

    BiminiBimini

    HFHF

    #1235 76 days ago
    Quoted from Laithan:

    The thin metal bar going across is for your foot. You push that bar down and it will unlock the handlebar. It will only go backwards unless you flip the handlebar then it will only go forward. The Bimini mod allows it to go both ways.

    That's great I'll try it. I was gently pushing it down with my hand but obviously you need some more gusto!!!

    Will make it easier to store it. when I'm not using it the thing is huge!

    #1236 76 days ago

    my cuts weren’t perfect and the set screws on the biminis were coming loose. I ended up using blue locktite as that’s all I had but definitely would suggest something stronger to hold them in

    #1237 76 days ago
    Quoted from honkbahh:

    Does the handle fold on top of the bed so it can be stored completely under a machine in use?

    Handle doesn’t fold on the cart but squeezes down and under the front edge of a machine to tuck in nicely.

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    #1238 74 days ago

    It folds !!

    Just in time. Need to get it out of the way for Allentown prep

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    #1239 60 days ago

    As an alternative, has anyone seen or have any thoughts/comments on this item as a potential solution?

    https://www.amazon.com/XtremepowerUS-Motorcycle-Scissor-Hydraulic-Operated/dp/B00CKY3J3Y

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    #1240 60 days ago

    Initial thought, it would be hard to pump it up from the front of the machine. Your leg would be at a weird angle.

    #1241 60 days ago
    Quoted from Adrift:

    As an alternative, has anyone seen or have any thoughts/comments on this item as a potential solution?
    https://www.amazon.com/XtremepowerUS-Motorcycle-Scissor-Hydraulic-Operated/dp/B00CKY3J3Y[quoted image][quoted image]

    My main issue with something like this is how high off the ground it sits.

    One of the main reasons I have a lift cart is to make it easier to set up games. If I still have to dead lift the weight of a pinball machine a foot (or more?) in the air to get it on to the cart, that doesn't really make my life that much easier.

    With the cheap harbor freight, you only need to get the game a few inches off the ground.

    Besides that, it just generally seems like it would be ungainly/awkward to use for pinball purposes.

    #1242 60 days ago
    Quoted from Nds777:

    Initial thought, it would be hard to pump it up from the front of the machine. Your leg would be at a weird angle.

    I thought that as well, but given what is basically a square shape, it appears that the lift pad could be positioned for use from the side of the table instead of the front.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    My main issue with something like this is how high off the ground it sits.
    One of the main reasons I have a lift cart is to make it easier to set up games. If I still have to dead lift the weight of a pinball machine a foot (or more?) in the air to get it on to the cart, that doesn't really make my life that much easier.
    With the cheap harbor freight, you only need to get the game a few inches off the ground.
    Besides that, it just generally seems like it would be ungainly/awkward to use for pinball purposes.

    I see that, I hadn't considered the need to lift a table that was sitting on the floor since I don't run across that situation. I'm either lifting one on its legs (to take them off) or pulling one out of a vehicle, thus only having to lower it to the lift instead of all the way to the ground.

    #1243 60 days ago

    Let us know how it goes.

    #1244 60 days ago
    Quoted from Adrift:

    As an alternative, has anyone seen or have any thoughts/comments on this item as a potential solution?
    https://www.amazon.com/XtremepowerUS-Motorcycle-Scissor-Hydraulic-Operated/dp/B00CKY3J3Y[quoted image][quoted image]

    This might be perfect for leveling a game.

    #1245 60 days ago
    Quoted from Adrift:

    As an alternative, has anyone seen or have any thoughts/comments on this item as a potential solution?
    https://www.amazon.com/XtremepowerUS-Motorcycle-Scissor-Hydraulic-Operated/dp/B00CKY3J3Y[quoted image][quoted image]

    I posted this a little while back but will add the pics again https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/modified-harbor-freight-lift-table/page/24#post-8023384
    The motorcycle lift can definitely work but in "stock" form, it is not better than a cart. If you want to spend the time it is possible to make it better than a cart ONLY if you are OK with loading from the side. This lift really doesn't work from the front. Not Side-by-side compatible

    PROs: It is lighter (can pick it up and carry it), takes up less room (easier to hide), all 4 wheels swivel (super nice), allows movements a cart cannot such as pivoting/rotating.

    Neutral: You have to grip the cabinet to move vs a handle (moves easy).

    CONs: You have to reach way down to the floor to remove hydraulic pressure. The wheel locks are not easy to get to (if you even use them). The "footprint" is arguably too small stock, I didn't want to lift the machine from only the bottom (although I did for a while with no issues) so I custom fit a bracket and some wood to increase the footprint to lift the pin from the sides (mine is extra wide for widebody). You could technically just lay some thick plywood over it also but I went a little crazy to make a bracket, bolt it down, used rubber for cushioning and set it to the same angle as the machine to avoid tilting during lift.

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    #1246 60 days ago
    Quoted from Laithan:

    I posted this a little while back but will add the pics again https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/modified-harbor-freight-lift-table/page/24#post-8023384
    The motorcycle lift can definitely work but in "stock" form, it is not better than a cart. If you want to spend the time it is possible to make it better than a cart ONLY if you are OK with loading from the side. This lift really doesn't work from the front. Not Side-by-side compatible

    PROs: It is lighter (can pick it up and carry it), takes up less room (easier to hide), all 4 wheels swivel (super nice), allows movements a cart cannot such as pivoting/rotating.

    Neutral: You have to grip the cabinet to move vs a handle (moves easy).

    CONs: You have to reach way down to the floor to remove hydraulic pressure. The wheel locks are not easy to get to (if you even use them). The "footprint" is arguably too small stock, I didn't want to lift the machine from only the bottom (although I did for a while with no issues) so I custom fit a bracket and some wood to increase the footprint to lift the pin from the sides (mine is extra wide for widebody). You could technically just lay some thick plywood over it also but I went a little crazy to make a bracket, bolt it down, used rubber for cushioning and set it to the same angle as the machine to avoid tilting during lift. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    Cool...thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had tried a search before posting, but nothing came up. Glad that you re-posted this.

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    #1247 51 days ago

    Harbor Freight 10% off for everyone, 20% off for inside track club members May 24-27 code 39558006

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    #1248 49 days ago

    Got mine set up! Thanks to everyone for giving instructions. New pinballer here. I was able to move my Godzilla around— I think the sweat was from anxiety rather than exertion.

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    #1249 48 days ago
    Quoted from Bdeakin:

    Got mine set up! Thanks to everyone for giving instructions. New pinballer here. I was able to move my Godzilla around— I think the sweat was from anxiety rather than exertion.
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    Oh wow. I've not seen that method of mod, but interesting to say the least. Definitely not the prettiest, but hey, whatever works I guess.

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    #1250 8 days ago

    This is what you get from following the HF instructions. This is on the 500 lb lift table.

    I've had it for three or four years. It's always dropped the machine for the last inch or two on its way down. Being we are expecting a Skee-Ball in the next few days, it was time to try to fix it.

    First of all, the same instructions are in the manual, on a sticker on the cylinder, and on a sticker on the unit itself.

    It has you remove the plug from the cylinder and lower the table to its lowest position. Then raise it up to its highest and pour in fluid "until it is full." Replace the plug.

    Well, naturally if it is totally full and plugged, the table isn't going to go all the way down. We helped it along by pushing down on the table until POP! the plug flies out. Fluid everywhere.

    After the clean up, I lowered the table to its lowest and raised it back up, figuring it would have the right amount of air to cushion. Replaced the plug.

    Now the table won't go down. We jiggled it here and there, until it lowered.

    Tested it on a project machine, raising it up fairly high.

    Now I've got a machine stuck up in the air. It won't come down. Pulling the handle does depress the button on the cylinder.

    And that is what you get for following the HF instructions.

    Could it be the wrong fluid? The guy at the store said this was the right stuff... Hydraulic Jack Oil

    HELP!

    undrdog / Mike

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