Quoted from jimwe5t:

I’ve purchased numerous items including the Atomic Pile and one things for sure, its a “pile” of something alright. One airball hit and it was toast. 3D printed items don’t last long in a pinball environment. Rocks around batmobile, also ball destroyed. Stern’s stock atomic pile is so much better lit and functioning as well. The lure of the show atomic pile is strong, but save your money and stay with Stern’s stock and you’ll be glad you did. Modcouple 3D printed items are not very good quality wise, even though they try hard to make them nice. It’s not their fault, but issue is with 3D printing, even though they have some cool designs usually. Grandpa Munster one airball only destroyed him. Don’t flush your money down the 3D printed junk hole. There is a reason Stern does not do anything 3D printed.

Quoted from PinMonk:

No new mods in 2022 and 5 months of zero pinside posting/activity points to something outside pinside going on that maybe they don't want to share. This is clearly not solely a customer service issue. Whatever they're dealing with, I hope they can manage it ok. The OP was taken care of, contact was made, the most important things were handled. I wish them well in working through whatever's going on in their lives outside pinside.

Quoted from Coindork:

No offense, but why exactly are you/others who are not involved “owed” and explanation?
Unless you have something tied up in this financially, I don’t see how you or anyone else is “owed” anything.
Maybe the answer is something that’s none of anybody business that’s not involved.

Quoted from jp1985:

I agree with that. A mob was whipped up by the op. Did people believe such a well known vendor was ripping people off?

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Yeah, Yelobird took a lot of shit when Deeproot finally collapsed, including probably at least a bit from me, and rightly so.
If that kept him off Pinside, or caused him to lose a bit of passion for pinball, then that's a shame. But if you followed the deeproot thread / saga from the beginning, then you know exactly why he took flack for some of the super pro-deeproot stuff, and also misleading stuff that he posted over there.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Well, Ice you have a very selective memory then! As always, I'm glad to see you around, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna push back at your version of events. So, let me remind you how Yelobird was misleading.
During the pre-order window, Yelobird was very vocal and encouraged people to buy games. He specifically mentioned that he had personally ordered multiple RAZAs and paid-in-full too. Then after deeproot fell apart, he denied having ordered multiple games, and said he only ordered one, and claimed to have been lying when he said he ordered multiple games and paid the full invoices. Very weird and misleading behavior. This is all on-the-record in the deeproot thread, if you care to check the facts.
So yeah, that's reason enough to give him at least a bit of shit.
I'll also add, that he had a perpetual "This is fine, this is all fine" attitude right up until the SEC investigation came to light. Then he went silent for weeks, until he came back crowing about how he had managed to get refunded his RAZA deposit from his credit card company or bank (can't remember which). Even though plenty of people had lost their deposits at that point, and plenty more who thought they were gonna get chargebacks eventually lost their cases. Possibly, even Yelobird too. But who knows, because he disappeared from the RAZA thread after that.
So again, a bit more reason to give him shit. If one was so inclined. I don't hold Yelobird accountable for what Robert or deeproot did, but I can and do hold him responsible for his own words and actions.

Quoted from iceman44:

Did you lose a deposit? Of course Yelobird accepts his own bed made. I don’t hear any excuses from him or anybody else.
To all that I say “so F ing what”!
Now, for all you perfect individuals I get it’s tough to see someone else make a mistake and sit in your holier than thou judgment
And until the SEC jumped in, which NOBODY knew the extent including the employees of DR, well we all got to see the PFs, cabinets, parts, tools, materials, prototypes and full blown set up of $$$ wasted.
The tragedy is what happened to the unknowing investors. Not getting a game?
Again, who cares and so F ing what! I’m happy the whole ordeal provided a high level of entertainment for you
We aren’t mindless children here. People make their OWN decisions FFS. I could care less what anyone else does/did or doesn’t/didn’t do.
Just like Toy Story now. You might think it’s a rip off. Someone else might love it, be excited about talking about it.
So later when it goes down in value by $2k who are you going to blame? Someone else right?
Like I said, a total crock of BS
I was “cheerleading” the F out of it because I wanted it to succeed. And def not “rather subdued”. From day one my disdain for Mueller was clear. Did I think he was a criminal? Nobody did to that extent
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it
Oh, and head back over to the DR thread, they need help solving puzzles

Quoted from TheLaw:

Well we can agree to disagree

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Uh, did you mean to quote me? Most of the stuff you're talking about has nothing to do with me, or anything that I've written or said. Feels like you might be railing against others and are lumping me in.
You asked me what Yelobird did to mislead people in the deeproot thread, and I explained exactly how he misled people. I never claimed that he should have known the extent of Robert's illegalities, nor do I hold making the mistake of going in on a game against him. I nearly went in on a RAZA myself, so I could have easily been a deeproot victim too.
Also, for what it's worth. I really like JJP's Toy Story. Too expensive, but a lot of fun.

Quoted from SLRage:

Wow you are so classy. These people are elderly people who were great suppliers and known to be great people in general. They haven’t been active so can’t defend themselves or their reasons for getting out of the business and this is how we are going to talk about them? What a vicious group mentality. Wow

Quoted from Mr68:

Can we get back to Deeproot please.
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Quoted from jp1985:

I’ll just say this, if I ever disappear I’ll be in Maui scooping ice cream on the road to Hana.

Quoted from Haymaker:

Yelobird is 100% a good standup guy. I have ordered from him before too and had zero issues. The whole deeproot thing was embarrassing and he should have felt maybe more (for lack of a better word) "ashamed" for it than he did. Our friend Ice feels the need to defend that whole thing because he was also there blindly ignoring what was apparent from day 1 about deeproot. No hard feelings to either of those guys for that debacle but come on fellas, it was pretty funny to have fallen for that. I almost would believe Q before I believed that deeproot was a legit company lol

Quoted from Haymaker:

The worlds biggest idiot could have seen through the deeproot thing. I don't think anyone here thinks you or Yelo are dumb people. I most certainly don't. In fact, I'd wager both of you are way smarter than I am. Particularly you Ice. Look, we get it, we know you guys have enough money where you could have taken the chance and hoped for the best and it would be no big deal. I don't think IQ really played into it. It was just......odd? I don't know. I don't want to further derail this thread (even though I just did). I just want you guys to know I don't think you're dumb and I have respect for both of you and the success you've accomplished, but sometimes we all gotta take an L once in a while.

Quoted from flynnibus:

But you could have taken the money.. instead you wanted your exclusive pin and kept pumping that it was going to be the greatest and all the suckers on the outside were just going to be jealous for not getting in when they could. You're going to get your game.. and everyone else was missing the boat.
Your retelling of 'just taking DRs offer' is an incredibly abridged version of reality.

Quoted from Zitt:

Wasn't there a bet or something related to when theyd ship?
Or was that a different bloke?

Quoted from Mr68:

You could have taken the cash out offer, plus interest, after Deeproot missed the first and/or second deadline.
But you didn't.
Also, you ordered the Super Duper Deluxe model and paid cash on top of your store credit for it.
Jpop got you twice.
But hey, its your story to tell.

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Quoted from flynnibus:

No - we were simply calling the bullshit out but you call it 'rooting for failure'... all while you make statements calling it a joke that people saw through it from the start??
Your lying and distortion of reality knows no limits.

Quoted from Zitt:

Ok. So it was Alien. Not Raza. I trying to remember who exactly that was... as it's been years.
No need to get bent out of shape over me asking a question.

Quoted from Beechwood:

This is a strange statement to me. You paid for a game, didn't get it, yet when you had a chance to get your money back it "didn't seem right"?
You said from the beginning you were wary of deeproot, but you rolled the dice, again, anyway...instead of cashing out.
Just seems odd.

Quoted from Mr68:

Mine is still here. We must have different dingleberrys.
Lol

Quoted from Mr68:

I've been tracking the up-down vote ratio to my comments in this thread. I'm pretty happy.

Quoted from PinMonk:

I have an extraordinary thick skin from years of publishing video games and hearing everyone's grievances, no matter how petty, so no worries. If I was really put out I wouldn't have seen this.

Quoted from iceman44:

Well you make a great product Monk so I like your attitude.

Quoted from Mr68:

PinMonk,
You have also been one hell of an asset to this community. And I'm not talking about your mods or the products you make and sell. I'm talking about how helpful you have been, and are, with the entire community. Time and time again, I see you all over Pinside helping people with excellent advice and not expecting anything in return. Sometimes I think you don't get all the credit and recognition that you deserve.
You and I had a run-in a long time ago that I thought was unfair and unjust to me. It was easy for me to move past it seeing all of the good that you do.
And shit happens...
Carry on my friend

Quoted from PinMonk:

See, I don't even categorize people. I just say what needs to be said to whoever. I don't TRY to be offensive, but sometimes I do offend. I'd like to think that's somewhat rare, but it's just the world according to me and sometimes there's a perspective clash that results in sparks.
Keeping this on topic... Yelobird's a good guy. 18 years on here and he's helped plenty of people, too.

Quoted from SLRage:

Are there “stats” that I’m unaware of on Pinside??