Quoted from jake35:

I wish them well also. In the meantime it may be best that they to take their website down and stop accepting new orders, if they aren't going to be able to handle service issues. they sure had no issue taking the order and the customers funds that started this mess.

Quoted from jake35:

I wish them well also. In the meantime it may be best that they to take their website down and stop accepting new orders, if they aren't going to be able to handle service issues. they sure had no issue taking the order and the customers funds that started this mess.

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

Hmm.. pretty surprised by all this. Have seen yelobird as a regular pinside member/contributor ever since I got into pinball 4-5 years ago. He gives good suggestions, I still have my shadowbox I bought from them for my POTC CE. I never had a single issue w/ any purchase
is 3 weeks really that long to wait for a response? Heck I bought a mod 2 years ago (500 bucks!), still never got it , and the pinsider (very well known) keeps saying he will send me something but then stops responding to my messages.

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

Heck I bought a mod 2 years ago (500 bucks!), still never got it , and the pinsider (very well known) keeps saying he will send me something but then stops responding to my messages.

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

Hmm.. pretty surprised by all this. Have seen yelobird as a regular pinside member/contributor ever since I got into pinball 4-5 years ago. He gives good suggestions, I still have my shadowbox I bought from them for my POTC CE. I never had a single issue w/ any purchase
is 3 weeks really that long to wait for a response? Heck I bought a mod 2 years ago (500 bucks!), still never got it , and the pinsider (very well known) keeps saying he will send me something but then stops responding to my messages.

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

Heck I bought a mod 2 years ago (500 bucks!), still never got it , and the pinsider (very well known) keeps saying he will send me something but then stops responding to my messages.

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

is 3 weeks really that long to wait for a response? Heck I bought a mod 2 years ago (500 bucks!), still never got it , and the pinsider (very well known) keeps saying he will send me something but then stops responding to my messages.

Quoted from wisefwumyogwave:

It's funny how people who weren't even involved in the transaction get the pitchforks out and are demanding closure to the topic. Op settled his case with seller, mod dude owes no one an explanation beyond his own private conversations between the him and the buyer.

Quoted from jp1985:

I think if the OP uses the platform to get closure we are owed an explanation. I could easily see one squeaky wheel getting satisfaction while other people being shafted.

Quoted from Coindork:

No offense, but why exactly are you/others who are not involved “owed” and explanation?
Unless you have something tied up in this financially, I don’t see how you or anyone else is “owed” anything.
Maybe the answer is something that’s none of anybody business that’s not involved.

Quoted from jp1985:

I guess if we aren’t involved why even make a post in the first place.

Quoted from Coindork:

No offense, but why exactly are you/others who are not involved “owed” and explanation?
Unless you have something tied up in this financially, I don’t see how you or anyone else is “owed” anything.
Maybe the answer is something that’s none of anybody business that’s not involved.

Quoted from iceman44:

This^^^^
Anyone else have an issue or just this one guy that is happy now?
The mob mentality doesn’t help anything except drive good people like Yelobird away

Quoted from jp1985:

I agree with that. A mob was whipped up by the op. Did people believe such a well known vendor was ripping people off?

Quoted from Coindork:

No offense, but why exactly are you/others who are not involved “owed” and explanation?
Unless you have something tied up in this financially, I don’t see how you or anyone else is “owed” anything.
Maybe the answer is something that’s none of anybody business that’s not involved.

Quoted from SilverBallz:

Tell us why we should support them?
You gave a very detailed explanation on your complaints about them and they all seemed reasonable but now you just want us to forget everything that happened and support them.

Quoted from AFM95:

YeloBird doesn't own anyone an explanation but the OP.

Quoted from BigalzPinz:

Sounds like Pinbits all over again .... They quit answering emails, then went lost, but of course website was still up a running and taking orders, just a huge headache for people who pay for something and then get no response

Quoted from LTG:

I worry about Pinbits. They are older and disappeared during the covid shut downs. I do hope they are all right.
LTG : )

Quoted from LTG:

I worry about Pinbits. They are older and disappeared during the covid shut downs. I do hope they are all right.
LTG : )

Quoted from LTG:

I worry about Pinbits. They are older and disappeared during the covid shut downs. I do hope they are all right.
LTG : )

Quoted from PinMonk:

Went off the rails from what I heard from someone who knew them well. She got obsessed with Q/conspiracy theory nonsense and it took over everything and Pinbits was a casualty. Pretty sad.

Quoted from underlord:

Pam got obsessed with conspiracy theories and that took them down? Really?

Quoted from iceman44:

Of course he wasn’t. If you have been on Pinside for any length of time then you know what kind of guy he is
Same as the Deeproot thread. Guy was treated like garbage. I assume that’s why he’s gone

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Yeah, Yelobird took a lot of shit when Deeproot finally collapsed, including probably at least a bit from me, and rightly so.
If that kept him off Pinside, or caused him to lose a bit of passion for pinball, then that's a shame. But if you followed the deeproot thread / saga from the beginning, then you know exactly why he took flack for some of the super pro-deeproot stuff, and also misleading stuff that he posted over there.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Yeah, it was (is? This was about a year or so ago I heard) hardcore obsession from what I heard. Didn't want to do anything else except read about more Q nonsense and the latest ridiculous conspiracy theory. Wouldn't listen to reason. Totally destroyed their Pinbits business for no good reason. From what I was told Martin wasn't as into it, or maybe not into it at all, but couldn't pull her out of it. Again, sad.

Quoted from underlord:

Damn. Martin was such a top notch engineer. I spoke with both over quite a few calls. Great folks. That makes me sad. I thought they just retired.

Quoted from PinMonk:

I don't know them personally, the other person that told me did. From what they told me she was beyond reason and didn't care about pinbits anymore - a pretty depressing situation for Martin. I don't think he was into the Q/conspiracy thing. It's not an isolated type case. Lots of people have thrown reason to the wind and are all-in on being part of Q, no matter how destructive or ridiculous it is. That's a bummer no matter who the person that's trapped is.

Quoted from iceman44:

What was misleading that he did? Buy a game? Say that he wanted a pin after paying for it?
Wasn’t his fault and it doesn’t give people the right to act like jackasses although that’s the way people are these days and why it doesn’t bother me.
What a crock of BS

Quoted from punkin:

The thing with conspiracies', like the whole fucking definition is that know one knows about them.
That's what i keep saying to my crazy mates, If it's a conspiracy then how come it's on the fucking internet?
Just looked up the Q shit. You guys have some weird shit going on over there.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Well, Ice you have a very selective memory then! As always, I'm glad to see you around, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna push back at your version of events. So, let me remind you how Yelobird was misleading.
During the pre-order window, Yelobird was very vocal and encouraged people to buy games. He specifically mentioned that he had personally ordered multiple RAZAs and paid-in-full too. Then after deeproot fell apart, he denied having ordered multiple games, and said he only ordered one, and claimed to have been lying when he said he ordered multiple games and paid the full invoices. Very weird and misleading behavior. This is all on-the-record in the deeproot thread, if you care to check the facts.
So yeah, that's reason enough to give him at least a bit of shit.
I'll also add, that he had a perpetual "This is fine, this is all fine" attitude right up until the SEC investigation came to light. Then he went silent for weeks, until he came back crowing about how he had managed to get refunded his RAZA deposit from his credit card company or bank (can't remember which). Even though plenty of people had lost their deposits at that point, and plenty more who thought they were gonna get chargebacks eventually lost their cases. Possibly, even Yelobird too. But who knows, because he disappeared from the RAZA thread after that.
So again, a bit more reason to give him shit. If one was so inclined. I don't hold Yelobird accountable for what Robert or deeproot did, but I can and do hold him responsible for his own words and actions.

Quoted from Mr68:

Yelobird and I talked privately after the Deeproot meltdown and he's a good guy. We all make mistakes and I'm glad he's OK.
And he was down-right subdued compared to others that were cheerleading Deeproot.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Well, Ice you have a very selective memory then! As always, I'm glad to see you around, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna push back at your version of events. So, let me remind you how Yelobird was misleading.
During the pre-order window, Yelobird was very vocal and encouraged people to buy games. He specifically mentioned that he had personally ordered multiple RAZAs and paid-in-full too. Then after deeproot fell apart, he denied having ordered multiple games, and said he only ordered one, and claimed to have been lying when he said he ordered multiple games and paid the full invoices. Very weird and misleading behavior. This is all on-the-record in the deeproot thread, if you care to check the facts.
So yeah, that's reason enough to give him at least a bit of shit.
I'll also add, that he had a perpetual "This is fine, this is all fine" attitude right up until the SEC investigation came to light. Then he went silent for weeks, until he came back crowing about how he had managed to get refunded his RAZA deposit from his credit card company or bank (can't remember which). Even though plenty of people had lost their deposits at that point, and plenty more who thought they were gonna get chargebacks eventually lost their cases. Possibly, even Yelobird too. But who knows, because he disappeared from the RAZA thread after that.
So again, a bit more reason to give him shit. If one was so inclined. I don't hold Yelobird accountable for what Robert or deeproot did, but I can and do hold him responsible for his own words and actions.

Quoted from iceman44:

Did you lose a deposit? Of course Yelobird accepts his own bed made. I don’t hear any excuses from him or anybody else.
To all that I say “so F ing what”!
Now, for all you perfect individuals I get it’s tough to see someone else make a mistake and sit in your holier than thou judgment
And until the SEC jumped in, which NOBODY knew the extent including the employees of DR, well we all got to see the PFs, cabinets, parts, tools, materials, prototypes and full blown set up of $$$ wasted.
The tragedy is what happened to the unknowing investors. Not getting a game?
Again, who cares and so F ing what! I’m happy the whole ordeal provided a high level of entertainment for you
We aren’t mindless children here. People make their OWN decisions FFS. I could care less what anyone else does/did or doesn’t/didn’t do.
Just like Toy Story now. You might think it’s a rip off. Someone else might love it, be excited about talking about it.
So later when it goes down in value by $2k who are you going to blame? Someone else right?
Like I said, a total crock of BS
I was “cheerleading” the F out of it because I wanted it to succeed. And def not “rather subdued”. From day one my disdain for Mueller was clear. Did I think he was a criminal? Nobody did to that extent
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it
Oh, and head back over to the DR thread, they need help solving puzzles

Quoted from SLRage:

I really hope you know the details of their situation and not just spreading gossip.

Quoted from iceman44:

We aren’t mindless children here.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Well we can agree to disagree

Quoted from PinMonk:

I've said the outlines of what I was told. There's more but I've said enough. I have no reason to disbelieve the person that told me since they knew them well. Why would I make that up? There's no advantage in it for me personally - I never even ordered from them to my knowledge. But at least now people have an idea why Pinbits dropped off the face of the planet so abruptly. I didn't know it was still a mystery to most people.

Quoted from SLRage:

Im sure you didn't "make it up" but your claiming that someone researched Q and just lost interest in the world (of pinball anyway). Sounds a little "MSM exaggeration like" to me. I wouldn't post something about someone that was told to you by a friend of a friend etc. No offense meant towards you though!

Quoted from SLRage:

Im sure you didn't "make it up" but your claiming that someone researched Q and just lost interest in the world (of pinball anyway). Sounds a little "MSM exaggeration like" to me. I wouldn't post something about someone that was told to you by a friend of a friend etc. No offense meant towards you though!

Quoted from PinMonk:

It was not relayed from a friend of a friend to me, there was literally one degree of separation, and the person that told me is beyond reproach and also has no reason to make stuff up. Also, funny you should mention MSM, but that was in there, too, as well as a bunch of political insanity, etc, but it was all related. And yes, there are PLENTY of Americans that sadly have dropped out from functional society because they believe the crazy stuff out there with Q and conspiracy theories of government and politics that make no sense to anyone that examines them critically. But that's all I'm saying about this. I only said it to let people know what happened when Pinbits name came up so it made a little more sense. I didn't intend for it to turn into a sub-subject. This has nothing to do with The Mod Couple.

Quoted from BigalzPinz:

Thanks for letting us Pinsiders know what happened to Pinbits, PinMonk. It's a sad story for sure........Pinbits was one of the best Mod Makers out there