The funniest part about this to me is there are a good amount of people right now looking for a solid return on investment for sums like $15MM to $50MM, but those people do not buy into these kinds of things because there is no return and most of them don't even know pinball exists.

As a side note, with the recent bankruptcy you will have a hard time passing background checks. There's pretty much zero chance anyone is handing out 100k without evidence of financial management skills.

I might have missed it, but what's with the September 1st deadline? If a whale shows up on September 2nd, the deals off?

Hah I knew the dates were either a misguided attempt at generating "fomo" or related to the date he has to pay people for the bankruptcy.

It's because the licensing company is so excited about the exposure....

Edit: this thread has just become a perpetual argument.

Nah it was a much bigger post but I chose to be kind.

I thought Ben Heck was working on a board set you could use.

The P3-ROC V2 is in stock at pinball life

https://www.pinballlife.com/multimorphic-p3-roc-v2.html

https://www.pinballlife.com/multimorphic-pd-16-v2.html

No actually GWJ is right. Combined Chlorine is what smells, which is what happens when chlorine bonds with something in the water. If you can smell that, they need to shock the water.

It's tougher with an inside pool because you dont have UV to burn off some of the chlorine so shocking it is a tougher process.

Maybe just print it out at home and tape the sheets together?

If you can't print it at home and tape the sheets together. Get out a projector and open that image on the computer, fiddle with it until it matches the dimensions it should and trace it on the wood.

There's a wide range of craftsmanship in homebrew and I can pretty much guess Trailer Trash will not be near the top of that range. However, a "working" game does get you above the lower end of the range.

I noticed the can of white gas too.

How does the grease not spatter everywhere cooking it like that?

Are you just messing with us on this one?

I'm certainly not judging and I agree you have to decide if things have expired yourself. 5 years seems like a long time and I'm hoping for a pic of the sauce.

If we could avoid arguing about politics, I think that covers a lot of ground toward keeping this train rolling. Keep the snark to a minimum and let's get back to some workshop hot plate recipes....

Can you get skirt steak up by you GWJ? It's usually a pretty cheap cut (or used to be) and easy to cook in various ways.

You can even get those bag liners that go in the crock pot so you dont have to clean it.

How is the color of the ham not a bigger topic.

I'd be more concerned about the grey bits.

Why not pick up a P3-ROC, those are in stock.

Yep. The first 80% of a project is only 20% of the work. The last 20% of the project is 80% of the work.

Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the plan playing out exactly as it was imagined.

Coach is gonna want to fumigate that game or whatever kills bed bugs before bringing it home.

I'm one of Aaron's good friends and I can't even get a board set right now. It's just supply issues. And yes, I'm definitely getting a board set before you do.

Head to the back of the line.

Mac & Cheese for breakfast, baller move.

With computer skills like these, I totally understand how this game can be "better than homebrew". All part of the plan.

Just don't hulk smash the game hardware.

Can't wait until we get to the code part.

What kind of monster measures things without starting on an inch line?!?! The grey ham eatin' maniac from the north, that's who.

I thought about that too, since I use metric in all my CAD work. But why not line it up with 800mm then!?!?!

Well this got weird. Let's go back to some fun, what's on the menu today?

Glad the trough finally ended up the right direction though.

My son and daughter had their 14th birthday yesterday and we went to a place where my daughter got a grilled cheese with mac & cheese on it, and a side of mac & cheese. I immediately chuckled out loud thinking of you GWJ and had to explain the whole thing to my family.

They weren't nearly as interested as I am though they do understand the concept of homebrew. Spaceballs is one of the games I always have set up in the house and the second game is underway as a collab project with another homebrew friend.

What is the trailer park boys equivalent of snow white?

Won't need the paper blueprint after today anyway, there was going to be a CNC'd whitewood by the end of october. Picking it up tonight I'm guessing.

Since he is also going through a bankruptcy, I'm guessing there are meticulous records, right?

Every time you all analyze deeper it just gets more sad.

It went from the random escapades of some over-confident dude to the analysis of a man reconciling 50+ years of life choices against "I hope people remember me".

The true crime listener in me wonders if your wife passed and you pretend she is alive for the pension.

We need like one photo for proof of life.

I never said she wasn't.

Haha I actually think someone did that way back in the day, and it was as cringy as you would think.

GWJ, I'm just kidding with you in case that wasn't clear.

Welcome! I promise most of the people talking about safety are being serious.

It only takes one accident to entirely change your outlook on safety. Wear proper ppe and put that hair up. Protect yourself so you can live a long healthy life.

Nice work on that cabinet so far.

Easy to peel off/chip usually means either the surface needed/needs more prep or the paint isn't the right type for the surface. I wouldn't be too hard on yourself or the cab though, you are learning and you'll get more experience as you go!

GWJ might have some alternatives to touch it up, but if the areas that have peeled keep bothering you, you can always go back to them and sand a little more in the area then hit it with some kind of neutralizing primer like a kilz (or whatever the canadian equivalent is). That would give the latex something to lock on to.

I'm guessing as old as the cab is, it has absorbed some stuff over it's lifetime.

Dude wtf? There's no place for this kind of shit here. Don't be a bully.

Apologies if I misunderstood in some way, or missed earlier posts from other people saying the same thing.

My sentiment still applies, let's be nice to each other, stay away from the way people look, and focus on the fun sides of the thread.

Kudos to you Avi for putting the hair back! Much safer!

What's that pachinko machine on the left of the pic?

Parts get expensive fast. You can price yourself out of any profit on a restore pretty quickly these days unfortunately.

Can I offer some tips for that cabinet paint? I think there are a couple minor things that are adding up to you not being super happy with it and maybe these will help you for next time.

Since it looks like a laminate you are painting over, you definitely want to sand like you did! Not sure what grit you used, but I usually use a decently heavy grit like 120 grit. You definitely don't want it to be super slick when you finish sanding. Then a couple coats of primer and gentler sanding to smooth any rough spots. The primer is important with the laminate so paints like latex paint can stick really well everywhere.

I think you are probably unsatisfied with the surface finish (orange peel/etc...) because the paint is too thick. A lot of the house latex paints will be like "one-coat" paints which makes them super thick. I usually mix in some floetrol or something to thin them out for applications like on a cabinet. It'll allow it to have some self-levelling qualities.

Don't let minor things get you down too much! Especially with your first attempts. The only way to get the experience is just raw hours of doing things and figuring out techniques to get exactly what you want in the end. Keep it up Avi!

I've been wondering how these changes are going to make it back into the digital design, so it could be cut on a CNC machine.

My project partner and I already have completed cabinets, cleared/populated white woods, and we are working out lighting and final ramp tweaks.

I am unsure if our game will make it to SFGE in July of 2023.

But, to be fair, neither of us are fueled by super-ham and beer.

I mean if someone is like "come over. let's build pinball! im cookin some bacon and got the picnic tray potato salad with your name on it". I'm tempted to get in the car.

Well, look at the bright side. If people do say it, you might get a hat or some gloves out of it.

Get some of that wiring going!

What's the plan for wiring the whitewood? Going to go through the multimorphic boards so you can have autofire on slings and pops and stuff, or just hard wiring flippers to 48V?

Ah I didn't realize he had single wound flippers. You could still do it with an EOS and no flipper hold just to pop a ball around, but way less than optimal.

Did Avi get paid back for the pandora's box?

Are we reading the same thread?

My local stores like Harris Teeter and Publix all do the discount stickers the same way. Multiples mean multiple off, etc...

We still have one of the "everything's expired" stores that my wife will hit like once every couple months to scoop up some snacks. Chips, crackers, cookies, etc.. all stay fine beyond the best buy date for a while and my kids and their friends don't care.

What do you think the crates of appliance cleaner are for.

We would find a stash every couple years in boy scouts, doing Adopt-A-Highway cleanup style programs.

These days it's the person that will go home and clear your browser history.

Regarding the build. 5 wires? That's it? GWJ you were so gung-ho to get this thing flipping and now pretty much all progress has stopped. What's up with that?

How come you are reusing decades old wires instead of just buying new spools of wire? Especially since someone else is paying?

What's the new deadline you think it'll be flipping by?

It's a little bit of a bummer to see the outlook go from "it's my dream to build a game" to not taking it very seriously.

This exactly. I don't care if it actually gets done or not (because I'm probably in the small group that thinks it will never be finished).

I wouldn't throw shade about deadlines if GWJ hadn't kept setting them and blowing right through them.

No worries Avi, like Trey said it's mostly harmless poking. GWJ came off really strong in the start and I think has had to realize a lot of that just wasn't true or feasible. Scope underestimation happens to everyone.

Riding the bus, going to the grocery store and mcdonalds almost every day, playing the gambling machines, touching and fixing games at bars, etc...

All of them are germ factories, especially if you aren't washing your hands constantly. Regular windex also does nothing to disinfect surfaces, so there's that.

Who hurt you?

The holidays are awesome.

Well this is just the test.

Instead of building the actual wiring harness as they go, they are just doing this throw away one that has to be completely undone and rebuilt from scratch on the next whitewood.

I don't know why you keep putting deadlines on yourself.

So I guess the answer to "why is wiring taking so long" is "nobody knew how to do it."

It would be very wise to listen to advice like this.

He does. He is also a nice friend for being willing to take the shot on the wiring.

Are these considered funeral sandwiches?

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If so, my wife just ordered a couple variations of these sandwich platters for the crew we will have here for the holidays.

Even as an onlooker, I can tell you this is the most wrong you've been in your life, lol.

MPF runs on mac no problem. You can also use the keyboard to simulate switch hits, so you can code a vast majority of the game without having a physical game done or near you. MPF comes with a "smart virtual hardware" platform that can simulate having real hardware.

You are probably mainly asking about some form of virtual pin integration like integrating VPX to MPF so you can design your pin in VPX and code it in MPF, then move to the real world. Surprise, it does that too.

https://docs.missionpinball.org/en/latest/hardware/virtual/virtual_pinball_vpx.html

I haven't personally used VPX, but I've heard from other homebrewers it does work decently well, though you can imagine there some tweaks that have to be made.

If memory serves correctly, didn't Nightmare Before Christmas start out as a virtual design for testing?

Technically you don't even write code for 99% of MPF, you are just building YAML config files.

MPF is actually really easy and if GWJ can focus on following each step of the tutorial carefully and learning some stuff, he can get the game flipping.

Alcohol consumption wasn't high enough on the meager pension. Removing that money barrier makes it so nothing stands in his way!

To have an actual craftsperson make a quality game, it's gonna be way more than $10k.

I don't understand what the problem with the multimorphic stuff is, unless you just can't figure out how to wire it or something and think the FAST stuff is easier?

Why would you waste another $1000 to switch control systems?

Pretty nasty visual, sitting there making out with an old chicken salad sandwich and watching vintage porn "for the plot".

Maybe we just drop that aspect, lol.

MDF dust is toxic, please be careful with that stuff!

There is no way a flipping game in a cabinet shows up to tpf.

My guess is it won't even be completely flipping by then. Maybe flippers hooked up, but that's it.

Which whitewood will be at TPF?

Surely not the one with the 40 year old rats nest of wires that was just going to be used for testing? It'll be the one with "a connector on every mech" right? It hasn't even been cut to fit in a cabinet or had side rails put on it.

Where's the display? Where's the sound system? What about the lighting system? Where are the inserts and GI lights?

What about all the little brackets and bolts you need to get a playfield into a cabinet and hung on the lockdown receiver? I feel like there are a lot more PBL orders in the future.

As others have said there's a million things that could be done to get closer to the goal of having -something- at TPF. Right now it's just being ignored in favor of sobeys, beer and porn jokes.

Get this show together and build something you can be proud of.

I'm hoping the universe does not curse a young intern with this situation.

Please let them find one where they can actually gain electronics experience and grow as a professional.

EDIT: I say this because if the intern is looking for EIT time in order to pass a PE test or licensure test, I would really make sure hours spent with GWJ count toward the experience requirement.

Nevermind, Happy Holidays.