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Trailer Trash-the Pin. The GWJ Chronicles

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    “Trailer Trash-the Pin. The GWJ Chronicles”

    • John finds the big whale and makes 1 "super LE CE Bling" Trailer Park Boys pin 17 votes
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    • John finds 10 small whales and makes 10 "pro style homebrew type" Trailer Park Boys pins 11 votes
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    • John buys an aquarium to pass the time until his dreams are realized 128 votes
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    #476 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    No David Fix was not the one who told me the whale term. He is still very quiet, & I do not blame him. I will be reaching out to see if the whale has been found or if it is just another joke. There are many designers & artists from pinball past that are not working in the pinball business.

    I don't care who in the fuck gave you the term, knock it the fuck OFF! Enough already with the same wash, rinse and repeat story. You are not looking for investor, you are looking for a gift of $100K for you to make a pinball machine. No machine, from an unproven builder, is worth that kind of money. I am very sorry, but your 8 month time line is a fantasy.

    I have been involved with your previous pinball endeavors with the scan me a back glass and I produce it and get you one. Well, it was my Stern Lightning back glass that was one of 2 used to scan and produce. I never saw SHIT for it. Secondly, your guy (Halse?), who was doing the scanning for you, ran off with my Stern Dracula back glass and I had to buy a repro from BGR.

    So yeah, your work ethics are all gimme gimme gimme and who knows what you will get.

    #490 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rezdog:

    Very whale said.

    Orca been another post of mini whales for Aug 1st

    #492 1 year ago
    Quoted from gjm:

    Hey John, phone call for you[quoted image]

    #551 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    You have a very selective memory

    Oh please.

    #681 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Everyone can learn from Deeproot Pinball, Jpop, Andrew Heighway, Predator, & the many others. That left most people with nothing. Yes I do read most disaster pinball threads from the start, & see how they finally end (some still going on years later).

    greatwichjohn here is exactly where the problem lies. Right now, your begging for $100K is no different than Zidware, Skit B & Heighway. They were all selling an idea that never went past prototypes. Here you are trying to sell an idea with a timeline to produce 1 single machine that none of the previously mentioned clowns could even produce. If the three of them had actually came through..... I bet your search would have actually landed you someone willing to take a huge risk for a rare machine. I leave Deeproot out of this because that is a class of scam of totally different proportions.

    John, do I believe you are a scam artist? Of course not. No one here does. Do we all believe that your thought process is incredibly flawed and highly skewed, oh yeah, 100% yes. You have an idea that you want to prove to yourself and everyone else on someone else's dime. You do not have a tangible product to sell, just an idea with an improbable timeline. You are looking for a "whale"? No! You are looking for the equivalent of a Sugar Daddy. No, I am not suggesting you become a male prostitute. Well, it is Halifax, you guys up in the Maritimes....

    No one here cares that you have talked to David Fix. So what? That doesn't make your plan viable. I used to have lunch with Ousler, Nordmann and Trudeau before Deeproot and John's Jail term. I ran ideas by them too, specifically Ousler & Trudeau for different type of lock n load mechanisms. Hell, maybe one of my ideas ended up on those Deeproot protos? Can't tell. It sure as hell doesn't qualify me as a designer or builder. Whales are specific group of rich people within the gaming industry, be it in casinos or online gaming. Pinball? Not so much.

    So please, just stop it already(with the whole whale bit). Call a spade a spade, you are looking for a gift.

    #691 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    And Plan D is "it dies" correct? Why not just fast forward to that?

    I think it is already on that fast track

    #747 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    A brand new pinball machine CANNOT be designed, with art, animation, sound, and coded for $30k & built x3 in 6 months. Even if it was being led by a professional. Designed and built by a drunken fool & old retired pinball people? Never happening.

    Fear of missing out on WHAT? You don't have a license, you don't have people locked in, you barely seem to understand the basic realities of being human. I'm kind of perplexed that you even know how to get on Pinside & write.

    AKA a group of people who are F'ing with you. Granted, the Deeproot buyers were gullible fools, but I can't imagine any of them would be so stupid to try this again with YOU of all people. Maybe there are 3 absolute morons with another $10k to throw into the trash.

    He doesn't even know what he is taking about/asking for now.

    David Fix says I need a whale! I need a whale, I need a whale! Maybe, just maybe, David is WRONG!!!!

    Sorry john, but you have no clue what you are even asking for anymore. You are looking for a gift, a cash donor, a fool with his money.

    #748 1 year ago

    I cannot believe iceman hasn't given the money to John. He has "given" his money to everyone else?

    #754 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Like I say get on the list if you want, you still might not get a game.

    What list is this?? Tickle me Elmo & Friends Christmas wish list?

    #830 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I am not taking any money until everything is ok with either The Trailer Boys owners or their agency that does licensing. This should be resolved very early in August when either the Big Whale is found, or Plan B with up to 10 mini whales at $10k US each. Like I said the mini whale list will likely be over flowing by the end of July!
    More details will follow in August. The crank calls are starting now, buddy I am not calling your wife in the middle of the night 774 area code which is MA.
    List: #1 USA, #2 Canada, #3 Canada

    Let me get this straight? You are going to go and negotiate the rights for the TPB license with no money, only the backing of phantom investors? Then you are going to go and try an collect from each of your gift givers? Dude, you have ZERO chance. No need to keep everyone hanging until Aug. I can tell you the answer is NO right now.

    #833 1 year ago
    Quoted from clempo:

    I don't understand this reasoning. The IP holders can tell him the price is $XYZ then it's GWJ's problem to gather that amount of money before they change their mind. GWJ does not have to tell them he does not have the money in hand right this moment. What am I missing?

    To secure an IP you leave an immediate deposit of earnest money.

    #835 1 year ago
    Quoted from gjm:

    Hmmm.... Lets see... 5 cents for a beer can returnable multiply by 2,000,000 cans = $100,000
    I think that will do it.[quoted image]

    Where's the Labatt's and the Molson eh?

    #845 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I had written off Jpop $$ long ago. And when anyone makes a choice you have to accept the consequences. What’s the point?

    Didn't you have money in a couple other pinball failures as well?

    #854 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Everyone is telling you this is unrealistic. We aren't trying to shit on your dreams, we're trying to guide you away from disappointment.

    Point, counterpoint. I was told the same about my business when I trying to get first opened as well. Big difference is I went and signed my life away with collateral(my home, my pinball collection, my vehicles) and got it done my way and all the naysayers went silent. I now have a business and property valued at north of $2.5M . I put my own skin in the game and made it work.

    John has no clue as to that is how the real world works.

    #893 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    David Fix never said the word WHALE. I hope he brings it up on a future podcast. Maybe his exact response will finally be heard by people that cannot read! Do not know how many times I have to continue to say it here. Is it 3 or more times already. It was another American Expert!

    How many times do we all have to say it here, stop with the whole "looking for a whale" song and dance???? And you have the nerve to be upset about David Fix???

    But yes, here is your quote:

    "Yes I talked with a knowledgeable person at the show along with David Fix. Told me the way to go is the rich people that usually do not post here, but see what is going on. People know that I can get numerous pinball pieces done, & I can get a fully working game done. $100k US is a reasonable goal for a one of a kind licensed pinball machine. If it moves into production it will be a win for those involved."

    Rich people are rich because they are not stupid with their money if they had to earn it on the way up. You are looking for stupid rich, someone who is grossly overpaid(athletes, actors, musicians and drug dealers), inherited their money, got lucky in the stock market or won the lottery.

    Your knowledgeable person and David Fix gave you advice that you are not completely comprehending.

    Here is another one of your quotes:

    "A licensed theme has a better chance at getting picked up for production, or to be a one of a kind trophy to a whale investor. Yes my personal bankruptcy is public knowledge, along with my pension of $23k US for my wife & I. Still enjoy working on many games, & I own none after having hundreds. My life is much better working less, & selling off my parts business."

    You are a walking contradiction. You say here your life is SO much better working less & selling off your parts business. If you were to find a donkey donor is the new machine going to build itself? Sticking to your timeline you had better be prepared for 16 hour days, 7 days a week. I really don't think you have a clue as to what is really involved......pinball is hard.

    #896 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Ben: Mini Whales are out there, & I am not going to announce them. The country is the only thing people will see, & only 10 days left. I have a feeling I might have to build 10, but hoping it is only 3.

    Gee, if that doesn't make any mini donk investor feel real good. I will build 10, but I only really want to build three.

    Oh boy.....

    #911 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I would rather just build the one & only super pimped out $100k US version. At least I could hire pro help from pinball past for design & art.

    Wait then, are you saying if you are going to go the mini donkey way, that there would be no hired designer/artist other than you?

    #964 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Maybe, or someone from retirement comes into play after all the insults here towards them. Lots of great pinball machines & talent from games the last 40+ years. Most took the exit before WMS shutdown from other pinball manufacturers.
    Only those involved will know what is going on for production if it moves forward in August.

    Is John Trudeau out of jail? I am sure he will work for super cheap. Hell, he could come live with you!

    #968 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    Honestly I think hes just trying to wear everyone down with this absurdity and never ending loop hes in, hoping someone will just say here, here's a $100000 go away lol.

    I just don't understand the thought process, for $100K I will build you a one of a kind pimped out machine, but for $10K I will build you a lesser machine?

    How does that even work, or better yet make sense? For $100K you get a Supreme like LE, but for $10K you get a limited home version Bally?

    #969 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    But the chances are very slim.

    That's the understatement of the year.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    More than likely the pod of mini whales at $10k US.

    Just what kind of machine are you going to produce at $10K each? I mean the programming , the mechanisms(which are not cheap to design and build as eaches and not bulk units), the art work. Are you talking a solid state style machine or something along the lines of Archer or Wrath of Olympus? Or something no one has ever seen before? Are you going to ink print the playfields and backglasses?

    I just cannot see your timeline with building multiple machines.

    #985 1 year ago

    If you build it, considering it is a trailer park theme, you must have these finishing touches. Bankruptcy mode, 26,000 jackpot value, a Commodore 64 computer toy, and empty beer cans.

    #997 1 year ago
    Quoted from roffels:

    Cabinet should have aluminum siding, and a meshed screen for the coin door.

    No legs, should be set on old tires or cinder blocks!

    #998 1 year ago

    Here John, we have the artwork for the backglass already!

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    #1012 1 year ago

    Listen, I am cheap. If anyone would like to just hand out some stupid money, I will take $25K and gamble it away in Vegas and promise 50% of my winnings to the mini whale. So, if I wager the $25K and win $50K, I will give you your $25K back. If I lose, well, thanks for playing.

    I am a proficient sports gambler and poker player.

    Who's in?

    #1114 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    I had an uncle with duel gambling and vodka problems. He enjoyed playing poker, but I don’t know if he was any good. I found out my dad paid his entry into a Las Vegas poker event about 30 years ago. He finished about 65th and out of the money. He lost the entry fee which I think was about $10k. My dad made a lot of money and a made a lot of bad investments.
    With all that being said, if you are pretty good at gambling, maybe some of us should sponsor your next visit to casinos. I can’t afford to throw away $10k, so could never be a mini-whale. I might wager between $100 and $1k on your gambling. That makes me a perky, porpoise who likes to splash and have fun. I feel there is a chance to lose it all or make a little. With the casinos, at least I feel there is a chance to make money. The find-a-whale campaign is a bust for the get-go. Guaranteed loss and then you might get 1) a hot mess of a Frankensteine’d game. 2) promises to finish soon for the next 5 years. 3) partially completed cabinet sitting on four raised blocks in my front yard, surrounded by tall grass, and before you get to the bathtub or toilet.

    I actually plan on doing the WSOP in Vegas either '23 or '24 for the $10K buy in. I have already had several offers to "stake" my buy in. If I do, I will only offer up to $5K/50%. That way I know in my mind, it is still my skin in the game and as the AC/DC pin says, play better.

    #1115 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    I had an uncle with duel gambling and vodka problems. He enjoyed playing poker, but I don’t know if he was any good. I found out my dad paid his entry into a Las Vegas poker event about 30 years ago. He finished about 65th and out of the money. He lost the entry fee which I think was about $10k. My dad made a lot of money and a made a lot of bad investments.
    With all that being said, if you are pretty good at gambling, maybe some of us should sponsor your next visit to casinos. I can’t afford to throw away $10k, so could never be a mini-whale. I might wager between $100 and $1k on your gambling. That makes me a perky, porpoise who likes to splash and have fun. I feel there is a chance to lose it all or make a little. With the casinos, at least I feel there is a chance to make money. The find-a-whale campaign is a bust for the get-go. Guaranteed loss and then you might get 1) a hot mess of a Frankensteine’d game. 2) promises to finish soon for the next 5 years. 3) partially completed cabinet sitting on four raised blocks in my front yard, surrounded by tall grass, and before you get to the bathtub or toilet.

    I actually plan on doing the WSOP in Vegas either '23 or '24 for the $10K buy in. I have already had several offers to "stake" my buy in. If I do, I will only offer up to $5K/50%. That way I know in my mind, it is still my skin in the game and as the AC/DC pin says, play better.

    The WSOP circuit(traveling tournaments), is finally making a home in the Chicago area, 20 minutes from my home. I plan on becoming a circuit player and in 10 years when I retire I hope to elevate to a "pro".

    #1122 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    There is no sense looking for a license unless there is backing to have buyers wanting a prototype. At this time there is still 3, even if only 1 that is enough to take a gamble. So far no Big Whale, but there is a pod of mini whales ready if the go ahead is given. There is a lot more I can do towards the build than most of the critics here think. Along with the 6 month build time which can be done. The final week of seeing who is in or out on the list.

    John, here are some points that I really hope you take to heart.

    All the bullshit aside, your persistance is admirable. You have a goal, an idea, and some sort of self worthiness that you are trying to accomplish. It's your intolerance to some really good advice and the flagerant pandering of your ideas with no substance and how to get there that is REALLY off putting to many of us here. It's like watching road rage videos, we all know the outcome, but watching the assholes doing it are so intriguing.

    Please, stop using the term whale, you are using it in the wrong context. Your are looking for a sponsor or a donor. Whoever told you a whale is what you are looking for was off base and you cannot seem to fathom that.

    Stop repeating the same thing over and over again. You sound like a bullshit salesman with 3 steaming bullet points on your script. We all know you have been bankrupt, have a small pension and drink beer.

    Give someone a reason to call or contact you with some real information. I want to build a pinball machine , call me does not cut it. Give some details that would entice a sponsor to call you. All this vague super secret ideas and implausible timelines will get you more prank calls than a legitmate call or two. Offer some sort of an outline that will catch some real attention. All the attention you have gathered here is nothing more than a bad joke.

    Quit name dropping of who you know or who you have talked to because if they were really that impressed, they would already be part of your idea. Not giving you bad "whale" advice.

    No one is just going to hand you the money without some sort on insurance, especially after the last 10 years of Skit B, Heighway, and JPOP. Get a CLUE! I if you are so sure, go to the bank, use your home for collateral, take out a secured loan for $30K and build the 3 machines for yourself. Get those built, take them to shows, sell those to pay off your loan and the take orders to build more. Keep it small, no more than 3 to 5 machines at a time. You just might have something at that point.

    Otherwise you are just farting into the wind or writing comic relief here on Pinside.

    I actually wish you luck.

    #1125 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    You're in their heads living rent free! You keep being positive and stick to your plan. These are grown adults talking smack on the internet. I feel bad for them that this is all they have to do. There's industry professionals in here acting like keyboard warriors.. really must hate their lives! You're just trying to enjoy yours! Cheers! (the shit apples don't fall far from the shit tree Randy!)

    So, please, change all of our minds. You seem to be his best schill here for him.

    What makes John's idea or plan any different than JPOP, Skit B or Heighway Pinball. I am not talking intentions, I want to know HOW it is different.

    #1128 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    For a start I have taken zero dollars, have a plan in place, & the project could still die with investors (whales) losing zero dollars.

    What keeps an investor from losing their money?

    #1165 1 year ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    What makes John's idea or plan any different than JPOP, Skit B or Heighway Pinball. I am not talking intentions, I want to know HOW it is different.

    @dee-bow, still waiting for your response. Or are you skipping this to save face?

    #1168 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Thought I answered that one.

    Well then, please summarize how you are different.

    #1226 1 year ago

    Everyone, there is no scam here. John is very sincere here on what he wants to accomplish. It's how he is trying to go about it is what is questionable and head scratching.

    I believe this is all way over his head. Not the actual pinball machine itself, but the actual execution of getting to a fully working prototype.

    I guess anything is possible if pirate boy was able to build a working Predator or two. It just didn't happen in 6 months.

    Let me ask you this John, do you have an actual finished, pre production drawing of the playfield yet?

    #1228 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    This is an oft-stated and popular fallacy around here.
    I honestly believe that Mueller, Jpop, Skit B, and all the other dreamers and con men "sincerely" intended to produce pinball machines and not steal Pinsiders' money. Intent is really irrelevant though.
    When you take money in advance for something that doesn't exist, and you don't have the skills, intelligence, or sobriety to actually produce what you've promised the, it's a scam.
    It doesn't really matter what your intent is or your sincerity level is.

    Jpop and Skit B actually built prototype machines. However, they took huge sums of money vs $30K. I believe I could build a "bally/stern solid state" style pinball machine and want to try it. I am not going to ask anyone for a dime. The problem for me is wanting vs actually doing it.

    If John takes $30K and never finishes due to plain ole being over his head. That is not a scam, that is a failure. It's when you already know the project has failed or cannot be completed and you start taking more money for more machines. I don't see John doing that. Now, he could go back to his 3 sponsors and say hey, I need $2K from each of you to complete these 3 machines. Skit B never had a license, JPoop kept taking more money and selling more machines that were all pipe dreams because he knew he couldn't deliver a proper Magic Girl. He spent the money on buildings and his own expenses/payroll and everything else. Deeproot was an investment scam that happened to try and use pinball production as a front for the illegal activities.

    Where John is the same as the rest is he is going to require the money up front, before ANY production/building begins.

    #1251 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Money will be administered by a 3rd party, timelines for payments on goal achievements of build.

    Now this is an interesting tidbit. I actually like this idea. Here is something that a potential sponsor can bite into.

    #1254 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    You hire a contractor to finish your basement. They give you a quote and take your money. But the electrician they hire hasn’t finished certification. The flooring they are installing they’ve never installed before and do it incorrectly. And they underestimated the budget by 2X since they’ve not done this particular job before, and are bad at estimating. They come to you asking for more money to complete the job which so far they’ve done poorly.
    Is that a scam or just a failure ? Should I be mad because they sincerely thought they could do the job well for the quote they provided when hindsight and the second contractor that had to be hired to fix what they did laid it all out. Should I let them just advertise their wares on Craigslist or Angieslist or whatever handyman site you want. I mean buyer beware right ? I have no responsibility to protect the next person who calls them up for an estimate do I ?
    True story all that. No different than pinball really when it comes down to it. Presuming the good intentions absolves incompetency to accomplish the task, especially if we were on the receiving end of any of that, is just ludicrous.

    I can agree your points, but disagree that it really applies to this situation. This isn't home remodeling. No one needs what John wants to do. It's a desire. This is someone trying to build a one of a kind, extravagant big kids toy with low odds of fruition. I compare it more like the ultimate Whale's Go Fund Me. Pledge your money and hope for the best, but realize you may get a zero return.

    #1258 1 year ago

    John, the more that gets pulled out of you the more the information helps your cause.

    How about this? Will it be a DMD or an LCD machine?

    #1261 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    There is much more to me then people think they know. Like I say over the years I meet & talk with industry people over the years at shows, & on the phone. Jack always has a good laugh, along with others in the pinball business. Just like everyone knows I like to drink beer, & a die hard pinball nut.
    There is a plan in play for TPB, & come August people will know if it Dead or Alive! The clock is still ticking down to August 1, 2022
    No matter what happens I will be at SXSW & TPF next year.
    Not allowed to post up on Deeproot thread now. Thanks! Maybe this one is going to be shutdown very soon.

    Why do you keep avoiding any questions of substance? You keep repeating and recycling the same shit over and over. Name dropping David Fix and Jersey Jack when they all have absolutely NOTHING to do with this. Every single time I find reason to defend your dream you push the repeat of garbage button.

    I have met Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley many times over the years, does not mean I am a member of KISS or could even play a fricking instrument.

    So here goes again

    Game going to be LCD or DMD?

    DO you have a fully planned playfield layout prepared?

    #1274 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Why would I show a playfield design up here. It would only be trashed by the same people here, not my whales. I said earlier most likely going Fast Pinball. My usual vendors & contractors, plus the additional help & expertise I need within reason of plan a or b.

    Did anyone ask you to show a playfield design? NOPE. You were simply asked if you had a completed playfield layout or drawing. As usual, side step any question of importance.

    #1282 1 year ago
    Quoted from Seraph:

    "There are two new companies on the horizons that are going to be releasing pins in the next year or two. Two new companies in the Chicagoland area. Wow!"

    And I thought one of them was the revival of the Gottlieb name through the rights acquired from Mondial?

    #1341 1 year ago

    It's very obvious there is no plan on paper at this point. It feels like we are at the stage of why should I put any effort unless I have money secured. I still say 6 months with no drawings, renderings, storyline, AINT GONNA HAPPEN.

    #1342 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I think it just has to be said:
    David Fix.

    I would like to 2nd that David Fix.

    #1345 1 year ago
    Quoted from EternitytoM83:

    I'll see your David Fix and raise you a Jersey Jack.

    I will call with the "Intelligent Guy in The Industry." You know, the Whale guy?

    #1348 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    David Fix was almost speechless after the reveal title to him at Pintastic Show

    He may have been speechless, but I am sure it wasn't for the reasons you seem to believe here in your little fantasy world.

    #1361 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I have a plan, & you guys want it repeated every day

    What plan???

    I want to build a pinball machine

    I need money

    You keep repeating that day after day along with David Fix & Jersey Jack.

    That is not a plan. You have shown or demonstrated no plan what so ever.

    We get little tidbits here and there that are pried out of you equivalent to pulling teeth.

    You are not Forest Gump, it does not just keep falling in your lap by happen circumstance.

    #1364 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    That one made me laugh! Thought I saw Gary Stern while I was drinking at one of my favorite spots but I was mistaken.

    Well I think with all the beer you have been talking to the ghosts of Ron Popiel and Art Linkletter too.

    #1410 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Less money more work for me to keep in budget. Frankenpin!

    Well if that isn't a sales pitch for the ages. Officially nominated as "best of". Best of how not to execute a sales pitch.

    Yeah folks, $10K for a pinball cobbled together with spare parts from my garage. Here it is! Frankenpin! At that point, you might as well join forces with JPop, because Magic Girl was the ultimate Frankenpin.

    #1412 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I am just some stupid beer drinking pinball dreamer. People will soon find out. Unfortunately almost all my spare parts (which there was a lot) went to others keeping games going. Guess what I sold my house to pay off doing pinball projects & owning new Stern & Jersey Jack pinballs. Still went into personal bankruptcy, I am a open book. Barely afford to live in a 2 bedroom slum apartment, in a known crime area. I have been using the bus the last 7 years because I cannot afford a car & the expenses. My trip to Pintastic will likely take 4-6 months to pay. The only true enjoyment I & my wife have is drinking beer. But I am happy that the majority of people trashing me & trying to end my whale search do not seem to have any crushing financial problems. The few whales I have in my pod know full well my financial history & my past. They know the risks & the possible rewards.
    PS: I am living such a rich life that I do not need storage units, & all our household furnishing will go into the landfill when we leave this apartment.

    John, on a human level, it's very admirable that you make do with what you are given and realize this is what I have, I will make it work. I don't think any of us could tear you down over that. The fact that your wife has stood by you through all of it, says a lot.

    I have been one of your MAJOR critics. So now, I want to reward you if you can put your idea to fruition where your mouth is. You deliver a fully complete and working as it should pinball to Pintastic that was built by your hands from scratch, off of your "plan" and the money of your "mini whales", I, Jack Shields, will personally hand you or have delivered $500 CASH for your pocket. No, bringing a rethemed Bally from 1979 does not count. It has to be a fresh build.

    But wait, it's not that easy. In order for it to happen, you will open a private room or chat line and keep me updated with progress. In return, I will agree not to reveal your updates.

    If anyone else wants to get in on this, stand up, and let's go. Post your pledge and I will keep a running total. Must be a minimum of $50.

    #1415 1 year ago

    Nope, want to turn the tables

    #1424 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    This is not a troll post about my TPB build. Still on unless it dies. 4 days to go. As for my Canada Pension, I will opt for it at age 60. Most men in my family in the past were dead at 55. My wife is still here after 33 years, & put up with my City job of 6 days a week straight time. I do not need to be micro managed, & I can get projects done.
    Today or the last few days of this month, I am trying to reach out to the TPB through the director. May happen or not. August 1, I look for the ok from TPB or their licensing agent to build 1 or more Pro style games.
    There are 3 people in the pod, & 1 is on the fence. So this project to build in 6 months is still on, unless it Dies. It will not be because you guys say it cannot be done, or try to sway me.

    No reply to my offer?

    #1444 1 year ago
    Quoted from LORDDREK:

    I’ll match your $500. The caveat being progress reports…

    greatwichjohn

    Wake up man! it's now up to $1K for you to make your self imposed finish line!

    #1446 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes that will be Plan C, & gives me slightly more time if Pintastic Show is in the spring of 2023. Got to give my whales a chance, or TPB to kill the project.

    No John, you did not comprehend the offer very well.

    This is for you to build your machines with your "Whale or Mini Whales" money on your 6 month timeline. If there is no plan A(whale) or plan B(mini whales), then no offer.

    -3
    #1452 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Thanks for the offers, but I am sure one or more of whales does not want this build put up for public ridicule. If it moves forward you will know in Texas March 2023. Anyone wanting to donate small dollars to fund a few beers here is my email for paypal: [email protected]

    REALLY???? Mr. Cry Broke, I will make my deadline, I have a plan, I need a whale or mini whales, is willing to forgo $1500 CASH for nothing more than doing what you said you were going to do and offer private updates?

    Sorry, but how can someone be so goddam ignorant? I was turning the tables in your favor with a cash bonus at the end of the rainbow. It's now obvious you have no faith in yourself to get this done. You really are that obtuse.

    Oh, but hey, send me some beer money anyway.

    #1456 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    It is his plan, his decision. If he doesn't want to share details privately (even if there is cash in it for him) then that is his choice. No need to get so upset.
    We all know Johns gonna do what Johns gonna do.

    Upset? No. I put the money back into the pinball fund. Flabbergasted? You bet. All we had to do was create a private room here on Pinside and offer us "End of the Road" Sponsors regular updates. At this moment it was $1500 USD which is $1,923.58 Canadian. I can almost assure you that number would have been closer to $2500 to $3K USD by Aug 1st.

    As you say....his choice.

    #1458 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jvspin:

    Wow! You make an offer, he declines because he's worried the information will be made public (a reasonable concern IMO, especially with more people in the 'private' group), and you start insulting him.

    Yes I did and I stand by my words. Made this man a bonafide offer to incentivize him to actually make this happen. It costs him NOTHING but giving updates to a few privately who have pledged their funds. Nothing more, nothing less. FREE money left to blow away.

    #1468 1 year ago
    Quoted from DBLM:

    Same with me. Silent as the grave.
    Check your PayPal greatwichjohn. You should have some beer money there. Again, with my apologies.

    I actually sent him some too

    #1470 1 year ago
    Quoted from DBLM:

    As other's have said John is going to do what John is going to do. I agree with vdojaq the amount of people to pledge money would probably be much higher than the 1500 is now. If I was in John's shoes I would take the patronage but I am not.
    vdojaq and LORDDREK, what is the timeline for us retracting our offers? This should have a time box associated with it.

    He already said no.

    #1495 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    I still haven’t figured out what the running desire is here since per his accounting there is no financial gain to be had personally, only by his contractors. I suppose satisfaction of a job well done, but yeesh that’s alot of stress for that. And maybe it’s just hope this is a lottery ticket to somewhere.

    That's just it, that finish line offer was made so they guy could have something for himself at the end if he really could pull off this miracle. We were ALL serious with just wanting in on privates updates and progress as the ONLY hitch to John.

    I honestly feel bad for someone who has an opportunity but is too purposely blind to look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Well, he did get some beer money out of it.

    #1496 1 year ago

    John, I am going to give you your Lloyd Christmas whale of a chance. If I win the $1 Billion lottery on Friday, the $100K is yours to build me the most awesome trailer park pinball ever! It better have a trailer ball lock!

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    #1503 1 year ago
    Quoted from homebrood:

    IMO I think the reason John is declining these pledges, is that he doesn't have the plan confirmed enough to start taking funds, and he knows he may not deliver anything. He is being honest enough not to take money until he knows he will be able to go forward with the build. And not wanting to share to too many, and have things get out before he has things nailed down. And if it dies as he said it might many times, then you would all have torches and be wanting your money back! His stance on this is Admirable if you ask me...

    You are way off base. I don't think you read the offers correctly. The money pledged was at the backend. Deliver the product as promised and here is your $$$ reward. It's as simple as that.

    #1519 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes, but like I have said it would be at the ok of the whale(s), & my agreement with TPB. With the shit show here everyone might want it to remain hidden, & not from view from everyone else. I believe you guys can keep it private, but it is up to the others financially involved.

    Pull up your big boy pants and learn a lesson here. You are acting as the builder & contractor. If you get the license, they have zero control who you wish to share updates with as long as it isn't proprietary information that belongs to them. If you get a single whale for one machine, or TPB decides to become your whale, then yes they SHOULD be able to indicate who or what you share for that kind of money and it would be quite understood. A bunch of $10K mini whales can go pound sand. You can share whatever you want.

    John, I am sorry, your business acumen is horrendous.

    -3
    #1537 1 year ago

    Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

    JOHN, listen up and listen good! Here is your Plan D and let's do this. A $10K Go Fund Me for you to build 1 pinball machine if you cannot get your license. We will open an all new thread for you to keep us updated weekly and to discuss the progress. The machine theme is to be called Trailer Park Trash. No whales, no mini whales, just one machine as you so much desired. Then, after the build and it is fully playable you can market it to anyone(Dave Fix?) or anybody you can to get make it to production. The one off prototype gets auctioned off at the Texas Pinball Festival. 50% goes to charity and 50% goes to YOUR POCKET.

    How about that? I will start the go fund me with $200 if you agree to the terms. I will also be the administrator of the go fund me so you cannot take all the money and run. I will distribute the funds as needed. I think we could raise the $10K for you.

    This is a yes or no proposition. You may say yes, but contingent of your licensing of TPB.

    #1566 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    He is not taking ONE PIECE of advice from anybody. Doubtful he will start now.

    Absolutely correct.

    #1568 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    John. Set up a GoFundMe. End this delusion.

    Ben, I offered up one here yesterday with absolutely no effort from John needed what so ever. Not a peep.

    #1573 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Oooohhhh, Side brawl!!

    Not at all. I think my response was pretty clear.

    #1577 1 year ago


    Quoted from Dee-Bow:So was mine. NOBODY cares what you think. Maybe one day though so keep trying!
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    #1578 1 year ago
    Quoted from LORDDREK:

    Everyone is busting his ass about his drinking problem and not being able to afford it while he has clearly pointed out his solution: Shit beer…

    Isn't shit beer better than no beer? I mean one man's shit beer is another man's champagne.

    John, what kind of beer do you drink? Molson Canadian? Old Vienna?

    #1589 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I know a number of these places. We had some price increases since this was last updated. Like I always say if you get a chance to come to Halifax. Always like to meet people, drink, eat, & play pinball.

    John, all kidding aside, all this nonsense aside, I would love to get up to Nova Scotia. My wife and I want to visit Oak Island, get some fresh Atlantic seafood, go to a Citadels games and drink Canadian Beer. If I can make it happen, I will buy you dinner and beer!

    #1598 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    I usually vacillate between Lake Louis Warped Speed (local 6.9% scotch ale) and "Working Man's Beer" High Life.
    I live in Wisconsin so of course Spotted Cow is a thing. Haven't been into that as much lately, I find it a bit fruity of late.

    Take a day trip and head over to La Crosse to have an afternoon or evening at Pearl St Brewery. Fantastic Beers.

    #1599 1 year ago
    Quoted from meSz:

    I agree with ya but in the same aspect I never ridicule anyone for drinking cheap beer. I am envy of them as they enjoy it (taste vary per person) and spend a hell of a lot less money then I do on it!
    Good for John that he likes that type of beer as with his limited income he can still enjoy having beer without having to splurge too much.

    Hey, I love a good PBR on tap, ice cold.

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    #1618 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Sardines & pepperoni
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    #1655 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Do not know how many times I got to repeat the same game plan for the guys that have ZERO interest in this build except to keep trying to kill it dead.

    John, I think the big confusion here is what you think and say is a gameplan doesn't quite fit or align with what most of us think a gameplan is. You seem to have ideas, but an outlined, actual step by step gameplan has not been revealed here or in any of the other threads.

    #1728 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    The biggest problem guys are having is the attempt to figure out his game plan.
    And it’s hilarious.
    No need to reveal the details GWJ. Drop that bomb when it’s time.
    These guys are all twisted up in knots. Rare is beside himself. He can’t sleep at night.
    Keep it up and don’t let em wear you down.
    They are Zelinsky motor parts. Remember that
    Why are they here? Drama queens. Same crew is trying to revive the DR thread. Lol
    What would happen if they quit chiming in? Can’t help themselves. Benny is thinking about it right now while on his fishing trip.

    Funny, this is all coming from the KING of the drama queens. Do you just add booze?

    #1729 1 year ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    I'm in as well.

    I offered to set it all up.

    #1738 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    You tried to create another reason to bash the guy by making some stupid offer, creating more DRAMA, at a point when there is no deal for anything. Congrats.

    I offered this guy a cash reward at the end and then tried to set up a go fund me, but now I am the reason there are no deals for anything?

    You writing scripts for soap operas now?

    Drinking? A problem? If 2 to 4 drinks a week is a problem, limited to Friday & Saturdays only, then oh yeah, I need AA now. Let's see, Friday I had a glass of red wine and a beer. Saturday I had 2 amaretto's on the rocks.

    What did you have? A case and a fifth in 48 hours? You better check your knuckles because I am sure they were dragging.

    #1740 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    So NO you missed your chance, no more joining the pod except for TPB, & those involved with the franchise.

    Whom are you writing this about? Who missed their chance?

    #1751 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    There’s no “start” yet pal to have an “end”. Get it?
    The deal terms and fake outrage. Lol
    I drink beer like my buddy John. You better go see your doctor. Like Pooky said, you might have a “binge drinking” problem.

    Hey, go look up gaslighting, you are a pro at it.

    Deal terms? You mean like hey finish the game on your time frame, keep us privately updated and here is $1500 for your pocket. You mean that outrage? That is not outrage, that was a bonafide offer of encouragement.

    Then I offered a $10K go fund me to do the title Trailer Park Trash if he could not secure the TPB license. Is that outrage too?

    Are you just trying to deflect that you now are insecure of your $10K investment?

    It's OK, you have chummed plenty of your money away before.

    #1757 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Keep it up. Insults to defend yourself.
    You got triggered again. I’ve chummed IN plenty MORE money with my hobby pins since you seem to care more about that. Gaslight that! Lol
    You, Benny and the other drama queens can’t stand not knowing who John has lined up can you.
    Look up the term Gaslighting Drama Queen. You are a pro at it. See how that works?

    The definition of an insult: disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action

    I guess the truth is insulting to you?

    Sorry?

    Defending myself? Absolutely, with fact from my posts and not a bunch of innuendo that you like to dance with.

    You call yourself a lawyer? (see, now THAT'S an insult!)

    Not sorry!

    #1759 1 year ago
    Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

    If you market the game, after you have gauged interest from buyers on Pinside, how many TPB games would sell?

    See, that's just it. It's a Canadian show with a small American audience. No one would buy it unless it was rethemed to another title/subject.

    #1770 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Most of the guys still have no faith, & believe this project was some type of troll thread from the get go.

    Yes, a few have come right out and said you have to be a troll. I don't think that is the majority of us though.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    That this cannot be done in 6 month build window (Ben)

    Sure it could be built in a 6 month window. Having all your ducks in a row 1st is an absolute necessity in order to achieve that time frame. This is where many, including myself, have doubts.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    My plan is even going faster than I had planned, & the only way it dies is if the TPB say NO!

    Why? If TPB says no, why not just build another theme that doesn't require a license?

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Did not get my big whale, got my pod of mini whales, & now if I am able to do my own Roger Sharpe agreement to build these proto type working pro style TPB pinball games

    You were NEVER going to get a big whale without 1st securing the TPB license. This has proven true. Trying to go out and emulate the Roger Sharpe type deal is going to be extremely difficult for you. A Roger had a deep and trusted history in this industry and handshake deals were the norm. Today is very different.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Got my team ready to go with a build

    With your team, have you specifically prepared and presented a BOM that is equal to or less than $10K per machine that everyone has agreed to?

    #1771 1 year ago

    Here is a very reasonable question.

    greatwichjohn , if you get your meeting and they(the TPB license/rights holder) say sure, build it and let us see it, without actually approving the license, is that good enough for you to build the machines?

    Is that what you are actually going for? More of a permission than an actual license?

    #1787 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I just bought a Spooky pin!
    See the commentary on Halloween and Ultra? Yeah who cares.
    Talking about “Bricks and Mortar”?
    Are you drinking right now? Take a deep look in the mirror and lighten up Francis. You and Vdojack

    Do even read anything? Or is this all based on your expert skimming practices that you charge $450 an hour for?

    #1790 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Happy to help John with any legal services he might need such as the license agreement and entity formation at no charge like I’ve done for some other Pinsiders.

    That's about the coolest thing you have said around here.

    #1911 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Why do they all have inferior eyesight?
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    Let's have some fun and appreciate everyone's taste. Rank the 5 girls, top to bottom using girl A B C D E.

    Here are my choices:

    1.A
    2.E
    3.B
    4.D
    5.C

    #1912 1 year ago

    Actually , if we are going to go down this route, John why not make a left turn here for the license? If you do not get the TPB(which is HIGHLY doubtful), give the Bunny or Chicken Ranches in Nevada a call and make an adult themed pinball? I would willing to bet you could get one of those licenses, cheap and could actually get someone to possibly pick up your machine and do a boutique run of machines.

    Adult themes SELL and sell well.

    Just an idea.

    Vibrating bed mode...aka shaker motor

    #1997 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Oh right. Forgot about that video.

    Dude, you have the quote of the day in this video.

    "Adds different textures to the mouth feel"

    Now I can't wait until the the review of the vegan footlong frankfurter and you singing to Culture Club.

    #2003 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Speaking of mouth feel, low on beer on our last day. Made TANG BALLS, tang + fireball + beer + water + ice
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    What kind of drink is that??? Shit we found left over in the motor home on Sunday morning?

    #2028 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Fireball & beer are ok. Never got sick mixing both of those drinks. The real industry (Pinball) designer is waiting for either TPB to be dead this month, or time runs out. He already has a bunch of layouts standing by.

    John, sound advice, don't wait. Pick your layout, whether it be TPB or TPT, and start putting together your playfield build sheets. You can be working on this machine the whole time waiting for your yes or no. This is how things are done successfully, no waiting, just keep moving forward with another piece of the puzzle.

    #2035 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The pinball designer who is well known in the industry will have no problem with a design already done for the most part. 3 weeks + will not make any difference in the 6 month build window of 1-10 games.

    John, I wish you luck, but I am saving this quote from you.

    #2049 1 year ago

    Hot lead for Ben. Here is your fake frankenweenie

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    #2083 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Hello John, thank you for reaching out.

    At this time the TPB team is working with manufacturers and licensees to bring a variety of licensed goods to life. We have your contact information and will reach out should we require further information.

    Thank you for your interest at this time,
    Alison

    That was the easy way for them to say NO.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Like I say I am not Roger Sharpe, & I will continue on the journey.

    Good grief John, you smmarize this like it's OMG news. Every single time you mentioned Roger, you were reminded that you were NO Roger Sharpe. You are like a child that is told 100 times no, but you do it anyway to learn the hard way.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    If it dies the end of this month for TPB, then on to Trailer Trash ASAP

    Quit procrastinating. Every single day you wait for something that is never going to happen is a day lost to your TPF deadline. Start the TPT project NOW.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    PS: I still have zero money requested for TPB or Trailer Trash

    Well Duh! No one is going to give you a dime for NOTHING.

    John, show me a playfield rendering and I will be happy to open up a Go Fund Me for you to build a TPT Pro. I will open it up with a donation out of my own pocket. I will also act as the administrator so you cannot withdraw funds at will. You will have to provide updates with evidence for withdrawls. We will open a whole new thread to document the progress. You ready?

    #2087 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I personally do not see a Go Fund Me working to build a single game

    OK, now you really have thrown a shit pie in all of this. How is $10K from a go fund me and different than a $10K mini whale????

    #2108 1 year ago

    Alright , I will chime in here. I have agreed to start and administer a Go Fund Me for John and the build of a Pro Style Tralier Park themed pinball machine to be ready for the Texas Pinball Festival.

    We are still hammering out a few details and some of the background players have been revealed to me. The designer already has playfield designs in the can that will be used.

    Once I have the full go, I will open a new thread along with the go fund me for $11K with all the terms. Need to do that so John's net for the build is $10K .

    #2112 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Why open a new thread, this one has established exposure as well as the back story of how this unfolded so far
    I can change the title to reflect the new pin title and go fund me.

    Good call. I will message you.

    #2114 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I responded back about Go Fund Me. "Trailer Trash" is the pinball title.

    Let's get these details hammered out and get rolling.

    I can honestly say folks, I believe John to be sincere in this whole building of a machine. I think we are finally on the right track of reality vs improbability. Stay tuned and lets get the money together to make it all happen. A go fund me will go live and be announced here as soon as John says go.

    #2135 1 year ago

    If John is telling the truth, the major names involved is quite interesting. We will know soon enough. Folks, if John makes the deadline, I am personally heading to TPF to host and emcee the reveal event. I will be getting in touch with the TPF to give them the lowdown on everything. No license needed!

    #2174 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    After months of bashing and trashing, libelous shit thrown your way, not “traded”, all ONE WAY, these guys are happy to throw $$$ at this, partly in shame over their conduct, but mostly because they crave the DRAMA and will actually now PAY for it now that phase one looks to be over.

    It’s all about them wanting to be able to tell you what to do, how to do it, control it on their terms and then criticize it DURING afterwards.

    Only one seeking and creating drama is you shit stirring the pot. STFU and throw some funds at the go fund me when it goes live Saturday.

    #2177 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    How is it going live Saturday?

    Becomes active, gets started, becomes reality on Saturday.

    #2179 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

    For all his quirks, I find John endearing, earnest, and would love for him to have a big pinball passion win. But I can't help but feel a twinge of unease celebrating the launching of a gofundme to bankroll a pretty ridiculous quest that even in the most optimistic outcome nets John zero dollars of profit, probably cost him a few, and occupies the next seven months of his life. Time during which he could plausibly dedicate his energies toward efforts to financially benefit him.

    Not true at all. In the end, if John does come through, as the administartor of the Go Fund Me, I will see through that John is financially rewarded. We have agreed that the machine either gets picked up/rights bought by a manufacturer or the one off machine gets auctioned off for charity.

    More details on Saturday

    #2180 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    Who is managing it? It should be John.

    I think it has been made VERY clear that I am doing it for John and the project. If John would like to do his own go fund me, then I would be obliged to step aside.

    #2182 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

    Financially rewarded meaning there is profit from the enterprise. I wasn't saying the gofundme money wouldn't go to John. I was saying that the gofundme goal is set to cover the costs for the pin development. And John's plan from the start has been I need this much money to make this game to give it away. Not to do that + pocket any money for my time and effort which I can use to pay bills.

    We are talking at the very end. Machine is delivered to the TPF and is a fully working Pro Style machine. There is NO pocket money from the go fund me.

    #2221 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    There is one new mini whale I talked with today who knows the veteran game designer, same as my Go Fund Me host for charity. The build takes place with 1 & max is 10 like I stated from the Big Whale search. Most people would like to see the process unfold & they can step up for charity. If not I prefer to keep it private. Get enough abuse here, & Ben & others think it will fail. We will see in March 2023.
    Things will likely shift when the game designer is named this week. Just waiting on the ok.

    John, now I am now very confused. The Go Fund Me was meant if everything else failed, your whales, mini whales, the license and so you could still build a machine. Now you are moving the goal posts, you are going to announce the designer and now expect up to 10 high roller mini whales.

    This go fund me was absolutely meant for you and to realize your dream with a public funded build and following. I am not playing a games here and will continue to wait until Saturday. Please get this all straigtened out to final counts and make a fricking decision.

    #2223 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    So.... Anybody else completely turned off from donating to the GoFundMe based on the last page of John comments?
    I know I'm out.

    He sure as fuck confused the shit out of me

    #2228 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes it is all my fault. The Go Fund ME can die also. Spin Doctors at the finest here. Give your money to charity, I did not ask for it! Thought it was a nice idea not from me, but call me the bad guy. Project Pinball or Make A wish can go to hell. Job well done guys!

    John, you really do not know when to fucking quit do you????

    Your right, the go fund me can die, and IT JUST DID. Point the finger at no one else but yourself. I am done with your goddam drama.

    I really wanted to help you realize your dream, help get you organized and make this happen. I am one of those who believe in the little guy doing the impossible when everyone else tells you it's not possible. And I too was one of those telling you your strategies were wrong. The problem is you cannot help yourself from shooting your own foot along the way.

    Enjoy your beer money I sent, but I am now out. I am out of all of this fricking drama. Good luck, you are going to need it.

    All confidentiality remains my word.

    #2232 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    John, ***YOU*** were the charity we were contributing to. Pinside came together to help you achieve something AND hopefully help keep you out of potential harm's way.
    Now you snub everyone's gift/good intentions and call us whiner's?
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    I would have bet that we would have had the $10K for him in what, 5 to 7 days? I tried, I tried several times. I am 100% out.

    #2235 1 year ago
    Quoted from damageinc55:

    Anyone asked this question yet?
    John,
    Do you know what a gofundme is?
    It's a blank check to do whatever the fuck you want. No strings attached. you have like 100 people here willing to toss a bunch of cash your way to drink beer and try to make a pin.

    He must not have inquired with his research dept.

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    #2273 1 year ago

    Let me tell you all why I was willing to help John. When I started my own business in 2015, every so called " industry expert" told me that I was living a fantasy, that there is no way anyone could accomplish what I are trying to do, in the time frame I have, all by yourself. I also started with an idea and nothing in writing.

    I was fired from my job Oct 12, 2015 and said I would NEVER work in the industry again unless I was a business owner. I wanted to open a major player automotive repair center. Not some 3 bay, side of road shop, or a franchised chain shop. I had grandiose ideas with little to no cash. So what did I do? I found the perfect building on Oct 21. I went home and did my paperwork on my own and incorporated on Oct 30. I emptied what was left of my 401K and wrote a check for a building hold for 90 days. At the end of 90 days if I cannot come up with the funding, the building's owner keeps my money and I get nothing. If I do get my funding, 50% of that hold check pays for my security deposit on the lease. Nov 1 2015, we shook hands and made a written deal. SHIT WAS REAL. I spent the next 60 days researching, learning and getting tutorial from the SBA business center. My assigned "tutor" also said, you are crazy, why not start small and build bigger later? I told him because that is not my concept. He said OK, write me a business plan that make sense and change my mind.

    I wrote a business plan that wowed many people. I was consistently asked how will you achieve this and how will you achieve that and I always had an answer that made sense. My tutor said just said wow. I shopped my business plan to 2 Banks and the second one fell in love with me and my plan. They got me a SBA loan and I was approved on Jan 30th 2016 and funded Feb 15th. I signed my lease and took possession of the building March 1 2016. I had my truck and my trailer and I traveled a 5 state area combing auctions, closure sales and retirement sales to equip my shop spending pennies on the dollar. I signed a lease to own to purchase 4 brand new lifts and a scan tool. Finally, I acted as my own contractor to make all the building and electrical modifications that were needed. I opened my doors, fully staffed and fully equipped shop April 18, 2016.

    Fast forward to 2022, I owe $0 other than a mortgage on the building(After 4 years of leasing, I turned around and bought it) My business owns 4 Stern Pros in the waiting area on free play for the customers. I have the highest rated Google reviews of any shop in the area. I did it, and I did it all my way.

    Here is John with a dream and an idea that all of us were piling on him for his ways and means. Much of it rightfully so because it was not obtainable in the real world. I stopped myself and said that maybe, just maybe if I opened a go fund me for him, he could still have a crack at his dream if everything else fails. This was a gift from ALL of us pinsiders that wanted a glimmer of hope of seeing a real pinball machine out of all of this. It would have come with some great guidance of business experience, not necessarily pinball, but purchasing, labor costs and outsourcing all work the same. We would have set up levels of achievement to distribute the funds as needed much like the SBA did with me. This was a gift of $10K that came with the expectation of every donator knowing the possibility of failure was high.

    Guess what, here we are, back to ground ZERO with ZERO. John, I am sorry, but you are your own worst enemy. If a unicorn walked by and took a shit, you would focus on the pile of shit and not the fact that it was a unicorn that made the pile.

    #2276 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    And should it fail (which make no mistake it likely will) I won’t even utter a “I told ya so”. And if it thru a miracle succeeds I will offer up my public apologies for doubting him. On to the mini whale countdown timer.

    I would love nothing more than to have this exact excuse to head to Texas and shake John's hand and personally tell him I was wrong.

    #2278 1 year ago

    Another suggestion would be change the name to either The Trailer Park, Trailer Park or Trailer Park Trash. Trailer Trash is a little too generic.

    The cabinet artwork practically makes itself with the sides resembling a drug infested trailer.

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    #2280 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Still do not know how it works, & really do not care. But the offer is still there by me.

    John, do you realize what you are even saying???

    #2282 1 year ago
    Quoted from Only_Pinball:

    Agreed! If vdojaq was local to me, I would give him my fleet of limos to service!

    This is going in the waiting room today

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    #2288 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes feel free to pm me. I do not want to start or administer it. Money only comes my way when the game looks finished. Still do not think it would reach the goal. But how do I know. I got my schedule to follow.

    I disagree, you have no clue as to what you are saying.

    You say you have no clue as to how a go fund me works, and you have no desire to take the time to research and figure out how a go fund me works. You don't care. Then you follow it right up with " But the offer is still there from me. "

    You are talking out both side of your mouth.

    I am sorry, but after your little tantrums last night about how you didn't care about a go fund me, especially when I wasn't even involved in the initial conversations, I NO longer care about a go fund me. If the offer is still there, and someone else wants to step in, by all means, please do.

    I cared about you, your dream and you being the underdog. Your total ignorance and intolerance to do anything that requires 5 fucking minutes of your time to research something has shown us all just how well all of the scheme is actually going to go. No more, sorry.

    #2293 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    I think(i shouldn't think!) He feels anything posted on here is just trolling and mentioned if your intentions are good then send him a private message to discuss. After all the shit and abuse he takes on here he probably doesn't trust mob rules mentality and all this info being thrown at him between all the insults can be a lil bit confusing. Hard to decipher which is genuine.

    No, it's not hard to decipher at all, because we HAD been PM'ing.

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    #2299 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    John thought the GoFundMe money was to buy one of the 10 (hahaha delusional) games he'd build by TPF. The GoFundMe funded game would then be auctioned off for charity?
    John didn't realize HE WAS THE CHARITY.

    Let's clarify. The go fund me was for John to have $10K to build a machine because everything/everyone else(whales, mini whales, sperm donors) all seemed to be out. This was to be $10K for John to continue his dream/desire to build a machine, nothing more and nothing less. If said machine was built, on the level of a pro machine and fully operational at TPF, the machine was to be shopped around to manufacturers...I.E David Fix or whoever else was interested. John could have ALL proceeds of the sale. He built it , he sold it, the money is his. However, if no one wanted to buy it to produce, then the machine would go to EXPO in the fall and be auctioned off for charity and some money for John's efforts. I was going to oversee the GoFundMe and administer the money so the 10k couldn't be withdrawn all at once and be gone.

    Yes , John was the initial charity of a gift of $10K, raised by the gofundme, for him to follow his dream when all else failed. I am sorry, but if he cannot take the time to figure that all out, then my time to me has more value than someone who does not want to give any fucking effort.

    #2304 1 year ago

    Really surprised that no one has caught the "easter egg" that was dropped here within the last 24 hours.

    #2315 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Are you serious?? I have been focusing all my efforts just trying to make sense of the "normal" stuff that is going on here.
    Now I have to look for hidden shit? Nope

    A second one was just dropped a few minutes ago

    #2316 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    That’s a good story. Willing to help people and pay it forward is very honorable and people should be willing to share their successes with others.
    I don’t think you need to take offense to John wanting to do it his way or not wanting to be viewed as a “charity case”.
    You personally might be back to ground zero but that doesn’t mean he won’t be getting a lot of help from others to achieve his goals, his way.
    He might simply just not want to work with some of the people that were pounding him? Right or wrong.
    He might turn this into a massive success or it could be a failure. Time will tell.

    I take offense that we PM and work out the terms and then he comes on here and just doesn't care. Can't have it both ways.

    He has zero $ now and I am willing to bet NO ONE fully funds him $10K after his showing of true colors the last 24 hours.

    #2330 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    What terms? Raise the $10k however you want to do it and then be part of building a pin. I think he said up to 10.
    Or just do it yourself since you are so inclined to help.

    You wouldn't know a good gesture if is came up and pissed in your boots and shat on your hand. SO you have to shit on everyone else for your own personal shortcomings. Run along now , I hear Vonnie D needs an investor.

    #2331 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The problem was, are guys serious about funding (Go Fund Me). My beer gut & brain said NO!

    WHAT THE FUCK? ! Did I not send you some beer money in earnest to prove to you I was real????

    You cannot be that ignorant, can you?

    #2333 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    You are seriously gonna ask that question this far into it?? I mean let's be real, this is 47 pages of pure ignorant Bliss we got going on here.

    I hindsight, the answer is yes, yes he can.

    #2336 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Doesn’t the same logic apply to the Gofundme?

    No, a couple hundy by many is quite a bit different than $10k from one person saying here you go.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    You don’t just flip the switch and say the “insane” business plan goes to “worthwhile effort” for charity purpose because the “smart $$” is in now?

    It's absolutely an insane business plan, especially the way he was going about begging for whales, pods, and morons. However, to build one unit, with regulated funds, turns an insane plan into a plausible one.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    All you guys take this shit way too seriously. We can yell and scream at each other, get pissed off etc, that doesn’t mean I hate anybody regardless of what is said or has been said in the past.

    Agreed, you and I would probably knock a few down and laugh our asses off. There are a couple here on pinside that I wouldn't offer toilet paper to.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    And since you announced you are “ignoring” me you won’t even be reading this. Lol

    You have to announce here on pinside, that way the other party feels shame.

    #2337 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    You and the mini mob have shit all over this.

    You are SO FAR off base that you must be gaslighting yourself. I have offered up every opportunity for him to make this real. I think you need the wipe because that stench is coming from Texas my friend!

    #2343 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Weren’t you part of the original dump on John group?

    No, not part of the original group, I caught on later.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    You are really trying to say that John hasn’t taken a beating? Now that is some pretzel logic gaslighting!

    Never said that either. I absolutely came down hard on him about whales and how he was trying to raise money. I also one of the very few that offered realistic alternative options AND willing to help him do it.

    So listen brother, I am not part of the so called mob, I have been brutally honest about everything, including my intentions.

    You are way off base with me.

    #2344 1 year ago
    Quoted from pinballkim:

    My reading comprehension isn't always the greatest but the way I think I saw it play out was John pulled the plug, Vdojaq replied with some concern as plans seem to have changed, John doubled down on how stupid the go-fund-me was, Vdojaq decided to wash his hands of it due to John not honoring their "verbal contract". But hey I like beer even more than John so I could be wrong.

    B I N G O! You just won Pinside for the day.

    #2347 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    No idea what the “verbal contract” was but seems to be a little misunderstanding and I’m in agreement with you, beer is good!

    Why would you? You were never part of it.

    It's ok to admit you were wrong. It part of a healthy life.

    #2355 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    ***Update August 8, 2022***
    Jon Norris is now publicly on board this adventure of "Trailer Trash" pinball machine, as the game designer. I look forward to seeing where this build goes in the 6 month build time of September 1 to March 1, 2023 for SXSW & TPF in Texas. Limited to a max build of 10 prototype pro style pinball machines. Price is $10k USD to be paid during stages of the build. Please sign on now to the pod if interested. The deadline is August 31, 2022
    Thank again Jon! Here is a list of his previous games:
    https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=jon+Norris&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick

    John, honestly I hope you and Jon Norris hit it out of the park and it happens. If it does, I will be there, at TPF to shake your with a job well done and hand you a case of Lone Star. Jon had some very neat ideas with Gottlieb. Considering what he had to work with over there, he is probably the best choice for you and your build.

    #2378 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Dude, relax. Chill. Lol
    Sounds like it’s your way or the highway.
    Did you have commitments for $11k? I mean that kind of sounds “insane” as well.
    Maybe a few guys throwing in a hundred bucks?

    I think the last few posts completely dictate that I am "chill"

    Why ask me for commitments of the $11K? Ask John for his commitments for his whale pods.

    You have no clue as to the amounts of pm's I have gotten about the GoFundMe. I believe we would have had $10K for John in 5 to 7 days. I had close to $2500 already raised on my original thought using pledges to give John a reward if he made his finish line. That was among 5 people. So yeah, a GoFundMe was a no brainer.

    So for you to keep calling me out as the bad guy, part of the mob, I ruined it for John is SO far off base that you just cannot handle the truth.

    Now John has introduced Jon Norris as his designer and would be willing to bet programmer too, I was one of the 1st to congradulate him and offer my hope that they get this done. I will travel from Chicago to Texas to see the unveiling, shake his hand and hand him a case of beer if it comes to fruition.

    Yep, I am the bad guy.

    #2383 1 year ago
    Quoted from LORDDREK:

    Tour De Trailer Trash…

    You may not be far off. Jon Norris was not only a designer, but a programmer too. Let's just say that Jon has a few CAD layouts all done and has some crude programming to go with them based on one of the available platforms, then the 6 months is doable. Cabinets are easy. Put together a whitewood based on one of Jon's designs and the do the artwork theme to fit in with what is already designed. Basically it's the way all the old electromechanicals were done. Design the playfield and layout 1st, then make a theme that fits.

    I imagine some bad 70's/80's bad porn type music would be perfect for the theme

    #2390 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I’m NOT calling you out as the “original mini mob”.

    Nor am I saying “you ruined it for John”. I don’t even know how that’s the case? I don’t care either.

    Nor am I implying that YOU are the “bad guy” here. Wtf.

    You certainly did and everyone here read them. It's OK , you were wrong.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    I believe you would not have come close to the $11k here with the Gofundme. That’s based on the opinions I am reading regarding John from day one. Simple as that.

    I believe differently based on reactions and PM's.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    Now if you want to do something charitable how about this, take the $2,500 of “commitments” that you say you already have and I will match that amount for a gift to Project Pinball.

    You bring $2,500, I’ll bring my $2,500

    Because that is not how it was going to work. I had $2500 in commitments as an incentive and a reward for John to make it to the finish line and have something to put in his pocket to have a little better time with life. I do not have those commitments anymore.

    #2407 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Ok whatever. Believe what you want.
    You are the smartest/greatest person I’ve ever come across! How’s that?
    Time to pump the brakes.
    Your work is now done here.

    Ease on those brakes, pumping them will spill your drink. No charge for the good advice.

    Thank you, my work really is done here.

    #2411 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    And what pray tell did you learn from this John ? If you review the past month and everything that has transpired do you see any reason for this outcome ?

    I am no conspiracy theorist.....but to have received a C&D letter, I have to believe that some asshole copied some of John's posts and his intentions and sent them off to the license holders for review. If John is claiming that he never got in touch with any of the boys, then how in the hell would they have known that was what he wanted to do and ultimately fire off a C&D? No one fires off a C&D for an interest or inquiry.

    Something smells extremely foul here. That is some low shit.

    #2412 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Well the “advice” was what’s it worth, “no charge”. Lol
    But drinks on me Kojak if I see you sometime.

    Deal!!!

    #2428 1 year ago

    John, for the love of all pinball, put all of this shit behind you and just get rolling on your plans for Trailer Trash.

    That is the simplest of plans there is.

    #2429 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    I was excited about the GoFundMe as I saw it as the best way forward for John. I was ready to donate $1000 right from the jump and I would of rounded off any financial gap at the end had it been needed. (It wouldn't have I'm certain)

    I now revise my estimate....we would have been fully funded in 5 days

    Quoted from Mr68:

    Go back and read this thread after John posted he had accepted the GoFundMe concept. Most everybody immediately turned in Johns favor and supported him.

    Yes, agreed. The money was there. Even Ben was going to throw in money for this.

    #2432 1 year ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    My read is they're responding ONLY to John. He even told them he was trying to reach "the Boys". Quote below is what he posted about what he sent the person:

    We know from what's been stated by others in this thread about how licenses normally go, and their time frames, that John was saying nothing like that to them, and talking about 1 week deadlines, and ready to start a build, and shows he was going to bring it to.
    I don't see how they could respond in any other way than "shut it down".

    I really can't make heads or tale of what John said or didn't say to them. Either way, it completely blew up on him.

    #2434 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Maybe you got to ask yourself if I build 1-10 pinball machines in 6 months. Some people will look bad. People here think I am the track long shot that likely will never win a race. Time will tell.

    John, here is the harsh reality. You will never build 10 pinball machines in 6 months. Your continue to mock yourself by saying you will build up to 10, but you really only want to build one or two. No one is going to invest in anyone who makes statements like that.

    You had real opportunity that was easier for you to shit all over because you had no clue and didn't want to make any effort to figure out how a gofundme works. That is just pure ignorance or laziness. In your case, probably both. Jeez, for a gift of $10 grand, to chase a dream, I would be able to recite the gofundme rules in 24 hours.

    Now what do you have? Zilch. No Whale(s), no TPB license , and not a single guaranteed dime. But hey, you can hang the C&D letter on the wall like an award! No joke, I would!

    You have a real designer in Jon Norris. How long do you think he will hang around and put up with crap like this or deal with your constant kicking of the can?

    Stop the nonsense, get your ducks in a row for 1 or 2 machines and get to work.

    #2444 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Just for clarity. My GoFund donation was coming based on you controlling the purse strings and advising John.
    It was a generous offer from you.

    Yes, I would have control the distributing of funds based on progress, just like the SBA does. It would have been goal oriented.

    #2458 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    But when you got nothing, you got to go it alone.

    You had $10K going to be handed to you. Don't you dare pull this poor me bullshit.

    #2460 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    FYI, a new Klov drama thread opened up for you guys.
    I see some have migrated over. Lots of people need saving!

    I have been following that for a week now on KLOV because there was a few games on that list that made my eyes pop. No pictures and lots of red flags.......

    #2467 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Likely people are already bombarding him with emails & phone calls. Is this true Jon, you are working on a pinball design for that Greatwich guy up in Canada?

    That's bullshit if people are doing that to you & Norris.

    #2524 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Yeah, no, not for me. I'll sit this one out.
    Good luck to all.

    Same here. My offers are no longer in play. If someone has to be force fed the obvious, I ain't playing.

    #2535 1 year ago
    Quoted from rosh:

    Wonder if Jon Norris is also doing rules, programming, etc. would be an awful lot for one guy in six months.

    That's why I think Jon has something generic already in the can that could be customized to the Trailer Park theme.

    If this is a scratch design and programming, not a chance in hell.

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    #2536 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    is a really nice guy, not “delusional”, spoken to him for a good while.

    I really believe John is very genuine. However, his past pinball business was quite the chaos. It wasn't the product, it was John's lack of business etiquette, mismanagement, constant delays and people left out in the cold. This is where much of his naysayers come from and badger him with. John is is walking into this with his eye wide shut.

    #2537 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I waited while the soap opera was at full boil here with all the experts chiming in on how to do just about everything, except shit & drink beer.

    Opposite man, I drink then get the shits!

    #2570 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I applaud your good intentioned noble effort to help John Kojak. But there was ZERO chance that these cheap bastards here would ever pony up for $11k and this "CHARITY PROJECT".
    No F ing way! LOL

    I am not going to take the bait here. I will simply state that you have no clue as the the PM's or anything else I was privy to pertaining to the GFM. It would have been fulfilled in one week flat.

    #2605 1 year ago

    greatwichjohn , please, by all means continue with the beer counts and be part of the discussion. Just don't discuss the project anymore until you are ready.

    We know you are reading all of this anyway.

    #2611 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Jon Norris is the designer of the playfield for Trailer Trash pinball. The layout was done for something else in his inventory. It is being refined to have 2 target banks, 1 drop variety or maybe 2, or 1 drop & 1 individual fixed targets. My request input on the design for CASH & MONEY. Jon says all the playfield parts are available. Very knowledgeable industry pinball veteran. The playfield design should be ready by the end of this month.
    September 1, I start the build with a whitewood to test out playability. Talk with my numerous vendors to source out parts. There is a plan in place for the build of 1 or a few, up to a max. of 10
    I can confirm Fantastic Pinball in Ottawa will be printing & finishing the playfields. The last 8 Seawitch customers prepaid years ago received their improved versions.
    There is one customer here that will get a upgraded version to his personal requests & for extra money required. The only caveat is the playfield design remains the same from Jon Norris. It remains a Trailer Trash pinball machine. But some buying in might want to change the name which has to retain "Trailer" & will not use park or boys in the title. My aim is still for a adult themed game!
    The public deadline remains August 31, 2022 at the end of the day here. You can join the list, & I will contact those to see if they are serious.
    This is the only style of post I will do here this month, to allow people interested in the build to gather a little more information. Jon Norris is the playfield designer. This is not some type of mind blowing Troll post from me. A few people are starting to see that there is a plan in place, & there is more than meets the eye. But people have their own ideas of where this goes.

    JOHN!!! Look at this! Very good outline of the initial doings!

    Prove us ALL WRONG !!!

    Everything else at this point is water under the bridge.

    As I suspected this is a design Norris already had in the can and probably has basic programming.

    I do have quick question John, are you personally going to be doing the assembly of the playfield, harness and cabinet?

    #2612 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    It remains a Trailer Trash pinball machine. But some buying in might want to change the name which has to retain "Trailer" & will not use park or boys in the title

    Why the term Trailer Park cannot be used? Does someone own that in Canada?

    #2613 1 year ago
    Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

    Some come back and post so people can continue making fun of him?

    Nope, hopefully everyone at this point will be beyond that as this appears to be an all systems go on John's end.

    #2626 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I will be doing most of the build. The cabinets will be from the American Pinball distributor locally, since the cost was too much to bring in alone. The playfields will be cut from my past contractor here, & I do the lense epoxy glueing just like the hundreds of playfields done over the years. Wiring needed will be done by myself. Fantastic Pinball for printing & finish clear in Ottawa.
    I cannot start to get a whitewood ready until Jon Norris is done later this month. Some of the metal work will be sourced locally like side rails etc. Tempered glass from my local manufacturer that I have used for years. Any powder coating & cabinet painting from the other local tech that does the work just over a hour away.
    My usual vendors like Steve Young, Marco Specialties, Pinball Life, & few others that I have a very positive relationship with the last 27 years. Still think the game will use Fast Pinball, but I will see soon.
    Do not wish to use Park or Boys in the title for reasons seen previously on the search for license permission.

    Building harnesses from scratch is a bitch

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    #2686 1 year ago

    Quite honestly, this needs to be a DMD/LED display at minimum to qualify as a pro level game. Just an opinion, not a knock.

    Gottlieb street levels are far from a modern pro level game.

    #2737 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Just got a message from Jon. I (not Jon Norris) will post up the layout on Saturday, unless #1 investor feels like doing it earlier. Jon is following & will be looking at all the input here: The Good, Bad, & Ugly. But I do not think he wants to join in the circus. He wants people to know that he will not be doing any programing of this game, & I might have to find another source for a 5 bank drop target assembly. You will see the design still titled TPB, but the game is Trailer Trash unless someone wants a different title at a higher cost.
    I did say Stern Pro style game which is what it will be like. Just did not say the time machine was early Stern. The journey is well under way.

    Well good enough, but early STERN Electronics were not pro machines. They were a commercial coin op device. The term Stern Pro didn't pop up until what? Big Buck Hunter in 2010?

    #2740 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    speaking of which, the game really needs a non functional toilet somewhere

    with a tomato plant growing out of it....redneck garden

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    #2742 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    In my area anything pinball that has a coin door & mechs that takes money is a Pro machine. Getting ready to enjoy a night of pinball & drinking beer. Yes Ben the programmer will have access to the build pins in the shop.

    But that's not what was discussed here, nor did you ever mention that your definition of a pro style machine was nothing like the rest of the pinball world. A Stern Pro Style Machine is a Stern Striker Extreme at minimum. John , I am sorry but that is a huge bait and switch . Then you thumb your nose at us and laugh about it. Sorry , but that is a scam level move. Dude, I was really believing in you, but that is low brow move here.

    #2744 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    In my area anything pinball that has a coin door & mechs that takes money is a Pro machine

    Yeah, but you were shopping your idea to the pinball world on Pinside, not Hole in the Wall Nova Scotia. You specifically said a Stern Pro Style Pinball Machine.

    Sorry man, bait and switch.

    #2745 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I did say Stern Pro style game which is what it will be like. Just did not say the time machine was early Stern.

    Now I hope everyone backs out and you don't get a dime. Bait and switch

    #2773 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    A "soft" Trailer Trash game that "celebrates the culture" will be an embarrassment. Just a bunch of farting, burping and crushed can sounds. (This is what I expect Boomer John to make)
    A hardcore Trailer Trash game would be a lot funnier but will also be super offensive.

    See, I dont have a problem with this. The more offensive the machine is the funnier the reactions are. In a bar setting, it would probably do well.

    I get it.

    #2775 1 year ago
    Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

    Ok, we get it ... Just maybe drink some beers and chill a little

    Can't you just give more some more downvotes??? You obviously can't stand anything I post pertaining to John whether you agree or disagree. Go pee on a fire hydrant there fido.

    #2776 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I’m going to right to drink many beers tonight. My once a week celebration! Sometimes 2. Lol
    And that is why 1,000% a Gofundme never would have worked here

    At this point, I now agree with you. The money would have been raised, but the shitshow would have commenced.

    As for the playfield, it's an interesting, basic solid state style layout. I really don't have anything bad to say about it.

    #2813 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    GWJ, please consider the following:

    3. Don't post after too many beers. You tend to be a little more hostile and defensive, not that some of these posts don't deserve it.

    Right, it was after a night of drinking that the whole GoFundMe went down the drain.

    #2816 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I am tired of being called a con man, scammer, bait & switch, & any other insult going on here.

    John, you did that to yourself by very own lack of proper communication or using a poor choice of terms. You told the whole pinball community here on Pinside and I am sure David Fix, that you were going to build a Stern Pro Style Pinball Machine. To hide the fact that your idea of a pro pinball is anything that takes a quarter is very questionable.

    Let's say by some odd chance that when you ran your idea by David Fix had said to you, hey I will give you a $10K budget to built a sample machine, bring me the plans, you would have been laughed out of the building as a buffoon as soon as he saw your drawings. It would have simply been, hey what is this? This isn't a pro style machine! Then you would have told David, well hey, anything that takes a quarter up by me is considered a pro machine! You then would have been asked, John, why wouldn't you have told us before that this is your idea of a pro style machine? In a nice way David would have told you to get the fuck out of here, quit wasting my time.

    Do you see where this might have been a problem?

    #2818 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Everybody else, I will host a TPF happy hour on me. Let’s go!!!

    Shit! How did I miss this? Can I suggest Sat night?

    #2820 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    I need a go fund me to get to TPF 2023

    I got a Abe Lincoln for ya to start!

    #2823 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    That was a stupid idea from the start and was NEVER going to happen. Don't blame the beer!

    You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You shouldn't make yourself look so stupid. It would have been fully funded in days, not weeks, days.

    #2849 1 year ago
    Quoted from pinballguru:

    Has both a regular plunger and auto-plunger. I agree, upper flipper is only optional. Delete upper flipper to lower Bill of Materials (BOM). Could put mini up-post or magnet at apex of orbit and drop ball into pop bumpers. This would add cost to BOM.
    Originally had a seven-bank of standups at bottom left with the "Lob" skill shot or full-plunge for bash toy. I changed to five drops with four standups at John's request for MONEY and CASH feature utilizing a drop target bank.
    I did have a three pop bumper cluster with an additional exit into the right loop, but opted for four pop bumpers. Should experiment with adding the gate for exit into the right loop when play testing. I like this idea.

    Jon, I applaud you for being involved in this whole adventure.

    Anyway, I love the 3rd flipper and think the addition of a single, midfield drop target, used like on Ghostbusters, that the 3rd flipper shoots for would very neat.

    #2857 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    If the Go Fund ME ($11k USD) had gone ahead to make this project public for the 6 month build. The pin would of went to Expo for auction & all the proceeds would of went to the chartity (not me, i did not want anything extra). That offer is still there by me. But people think it is 100% my fault for wanting 1-10 pinball machines to be built in 6 months. Not only the 1 Go Fund Me game.

    John, just stop, please. The GoFundMe was so you had at LEAST 1 , 100% funded machine for you to start building your machine as soon as it was funded. But no, you came home after a night at the bar, told everyone you don't care about the GoFundMe without ever knowing how a gofundme works and then said you were out. It's all here on this thread, everyone has seen it. You seem to keep thinking this was the fault of all of us who were going to generously donate. In reality, it was your own fault. You move goalposts, I will build up to 10 machines , but only really want to do 2 to 3, it's over, no, it's not over, I have a whale, no I have a pod, I had six beers last night and played pinball, I don't know how this works and why should I.

    You really think I want to deal with a beer filled fool who works terms with me in PM's and then like an idiot comes on here and tells everyone you don't care about the gofundme? You ignorant ........ go piss up a flagpole.

    #2858 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

    The only person who ever pitted the gofundme vs. any other games was you.

    That's 100% right, it but it's not his fault!!

    #2859 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    No one wants to try & figure out how the deal went sour. But feel free to continue that it was 100% my fault.

    Look 2 posts above John, there is your answer!!!

    #2861 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes & I was willing to get zero from the auction not the 50/50 split you offered. All I wanted was the Go Fund Me to reach its goal in the Fall or by the end of the year. It sounded like a take it or leave it offer. I still could care less about how the Go Fund Me works. Same as people think I need to be a personal charity. Yes blame it on the beer, or maybe poor communication. Never started & it ended. Said on my Big Whale hunt the build would be 1-10 games. Same story, & yes the auction would of went to a deserving charity (Not Me)

    Yes, how dare I want you to get 50% for your pocket.

    Did you ever think to ask, hey is this a take it or leave it? Because I never made that point.

    Poor communications? Um NO John

    I was offering my time, my business skills, and some of my money to get a gofundme going for you to get $10K so you could build at least one machine and realize your dream. Again, how dare I ?

    Then , while you and I are going back and forth with PM's on how to make this work, you publicly come on here and tell everyone you don't care about the gofundme and really don't care if it happens? Then why in all hell should I waste my time on some unappreciative drunken fool who could care less that someone was going to try and help them realize their dream?

    How in the hell can someone be so fucking naïve?

    #2866 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    GWJ and Vdojaq going at it and Treybo going fucking crazy with new trailer trash ideas

    Laughable, right?

    #2893 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

    Before you give away too much free gold, has GWJ confirmed the game will have artwork and sound?

    A Stern SBD100

    #2896 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    I still like my name of Cracker Country Club
    It looks like the game is set up for the right orbit shot to be repeatable. Start playing nascar passing noises as a combo begins.

    Do you know what "cracker" means? Especially to a black person?

    #2900 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    Racist term for white people?

    Yes, but what is a cracker? A cracker is a white slave owner. A slave owner that cracked the whip at his slaves....hence a cracker.

    Redneck is funny, just like white trash, or trailer park trash. Cracker Country??? Um , no.

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    #2970 1 year ago

    Wow! just Wow! I get a nasty case of food poisoning and miss the entire drunkfest shitshow???

    Iceman, holy shit. This isn't the 1st time he has done this and I am absolutely positive it wont be his last drunken Pinside tirade. He thinks you add alcohol and his I.Q. raises 25 points. How did that work out for you?

    Greatwichjohn, goes out for his usual beer count and then comes here and wants someone else to do a GoFundMe. Maybe he might be having a bit of alcohol fueled remorse? Nah, cant be, all the while he still trying to deflect any sort of responsibility on everyone else. Then tries to play the sympathy card for the charities. John, the poor me, it's not my fault routine only makes you look worse and worse.

    BTW , the other guy immediately shut him down on a GoFundMe with a hard NO.

    Then, as this shit is all flying, Mr Puppy Dog Avatar and Skid Mark from Saskatchewan cannot downvote anything that goes against John fast enough.

    All of this while Ben Heck becomes the leading voice of reason.

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    #2972 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    John was worried it was going to take until X-mas to get his 10k

    This is one of the puzzling things to me. Where the heck did he come up with this? I don't know? If someone were to offer me the possibilty of $10K for me to build a pinball machine and I didn't know how it worked, I could just Google or actually visit the GoFundMe site and take 10 minutes to get some information.

    Absolutely zero effort on John's part. So much easier to just expect things to be handed to them without any sort of effort. You know what, I will just drink my beer, tell everyone I am broke, have a shitty pension, filed bankruptcy and beg for money. All the while being oblivious to the fact that several, generous people, here on pinside were ready to make his dream come true with a fucking GIFT. Just be open about the process and let us throw ideas if need be.

    #2974 1 year ago

    I also got news for all of you.

    John isn't building his pinball from scratch. There NEVER was an original playfield design from John. He is using someone elses designs and basically acting as a contractor for everything else to be built.

    At least Ben and AMH was his baby. Same with Danesi and TNA. Whoa Nellie was a complete homebrew. How about Archer?

    John is just cobbleing everything together from everyone else. I bet he has no clue what any of the art work or call outs should look or sound like. He will just slap on whatever his so called artists comes up with.

    Sorry, but the more I think about this, there is nothing original about any of this. All bush league.

    This is once again just like his playfields and backglasses. Everyone else is doing the work for him.

    #2976 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

    It's the kind of poor decision making you might expect if John had someone without his best interests in mind telling him the gofundme is a bullshit joke and that the losers on pinside would never actually raise the money.

    There were actaully a couple of those.

    #2992 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    Art is the last part of the project. I’d want to hear John’s ideas for rules and features. That should guide the artwork.

    Sorry, he has none. That will be done for him in the most generic of terms.

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    #3003 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Beer count is 7 so far

    Well, when it is Sunday and you do not have a job to get up for, why not?

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Might have more to piss of my wife tonight.

    Not too bright, the woman seems to be a saint.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The coach is on the sideline for a week suspension.

    The match made in heaven! Don't worry, Ice is a man on a mission to prove all of us idiots wrong.mOh yeah, flex his penis wallet too. John, take all you can get!

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Everything is working as planned.

    Which plan? What plan?

    #3005 1 year ago
    Quoted from Sinistarrett:

    Heres some pretty sweet toys for the playfield!
    [quoted image]

    OMG, now that would be a LICENSE!!! I can picture a South Park rethemes with these guys

    #3078 1 year ago
    Quoted from gliebig:

    Maybe I've missed it, but I was curious what your ideas for gameplay/rules/modes are for this?

    He doesn't have the slightest idea.......it's what Jon Norris comes up with or whoever else he roped into this comes up with

    #3079 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I am not promoting this anywhere else. Could be the only 1. Like I said September 1 is the start of the 6 month build. Then it will likely be a private build if it is only his game. Doug is a good guy that has been there from the start, & willing to put the cash up for a game. No money has been requested, & like I have said it goes toward stages of the build. Just over 2 weeks to go, see what is available for Jon Norris design to be final August 31.

    So you are saying you have taken no money and you only have 1 commitment for a game and all along it has been the Iceman?

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    It will get a artist for the pinball art. Look like a pro model pinball machine of the era it represents.

    Gee John, just what era does a pro model represent? 2010 to present is pretty much the industry standard of a Stern Pro model pinball machine. Oh that's right, in your mind the definition of a pro model pinball machine is different than the rest of the world.

    #3097 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    I don't see the point of hammering on this dead horse.

    Yep, I get it

    #3100 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    I 100% think one of the slings should look like a bug zapper and there should be a flasher next to it for when it goes off.
    Maybe the other sling can look like a dinner triangle?

    I kid you not..... a few years ago driving home late on Saturday night I am coming around the bend and there is a blue glowing light in foreground. As I approach, it become more clear that the trash family in the neighborhood were all sitting at a picnic table in the front yard with the bug zapper on the table as the centerpiece. Had to be about 11:30 pm, frickin beer cans everywhere.

    #3106 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    If it has a coin door. Beer count 3

    Yeah, well shitters have a coin door too.

    #3143 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    You don't have time to dick around. Make a WW, see how she shoots, give notes to Jon, hand off WW to programmer (as long as it's somewhat close to final deal) and work on final version with tweaks. Then give that to programmer and pray.

    I don't get this waiting around for each milestone date to start this and start that. WTF is he waiting for?......Oh that's right, everyone is doing it for him.

    #3145 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    That is the plan, & I am happy with my wife the last 33 years. Jon Norris provided the basic layout, will not be doing cad, or programming. I will have the final additions to the playfield in September. Changes were already done by Jon with the original 7 drop target bank being changed to a 5 & 4 fixed targets behind for Cash & Money per my request on Trailer Trash pin. As for Doug I still do not know if this is a charity game he will donate to charity for auction at Expo 2023. Or if he plans on keeping it briefly, & then sell it. He is his own coach & will decide the fate of the game. I still do not know if this is the one & only game in the build. If it is only his pin he will likely go private with the build, or maybe he goes public. Or maybe he is getting a private group together to cost share, & then donate it. I guess we wait on his penalty time out to see what he is up to. I have no idea, & move forward on the build timeline September - March 1, 2023.

    Don't you think these are questions you should be asking Doug directly and hammer out immediately? How can you continue any of this without knowing any details?

    As we all suspected, your only hope and money(none of which you have seen a dime of) at this point is one person. You realize how quickly this could turn bad on your end?

    #3152 1 year ago
    Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

    So much concern for Iceman's money and GWJ's production plans from those with no involvement
    Really nice to see the community support

    Dude, there are some real genuine questions here. I don't get how you think we should all just join hands and sing kumbaya. It's a forum, you post, it's open for criticism.

    I don't understand your need to continually kiss their behinds.

    #3163 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I don’t really see the risk here. Ice has already gotten his money’s worth. Nobody is gonna get “hurt.”

    I think Ben's concern is what if Ice decides $4K in that he no longer wants to finance this fiasco and walks? Where does this leave John? I think Ben is looking out that John can not afford a dime of debt on this project.

    #3164 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Cash & Money goes with the Trailer Trash women in the game.

    John, are you possibly hinting at......PROSTITUTES? If it wasn't 10:20 AM , I would grab a beer for this one.

    #3169 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I'm starting to think this concept is a little muddled.
    "Cash" and "Money" certainly isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think "Trailer park."
    It's not even the first thing that comes to mind when I think "prostitutes."
    Either way, I'm sure the end result will be side-splittingly hilarious, bringing the humor and wit back to pinball after all this time!

    Well, I certainly believe that "CASH" and "Trailer Trash Women" could certainly involve prostitution or a meth lab. Your choice.

    #3170 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Baby Momma or Food Stamp are more applicable

    Now wait , How about FOOD and STAMP for those drops and stand ups? More appropriate?

    #3172 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Isn't that what I wrote? lol

    Yes sir it is, just misread it

    #3183 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The coach has spoken & if things go well he might be getting #2. He wants to see the whitewood version first, & is not bailing out on #1 no matter what happens. He is also willing to pay more for a pinball artist to come aboard.

    Can we make everyone here clear on all of this? Coach, Doug & Iceman44 are ALL the same person, yes?

    And this same person is your ONLY source of the $10K for build #1, yes?

    #3184 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    I hope the bash toy is a fuckin' Ford Ranger!!!

    No way, should be a toy Airstream with busted out windows.
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    #3190 1 year ago
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    #3195 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Imagine throwing away $10K to "own" some internet enemies.
    Are we "winning" yet?

    Can I go out on a limb and suggest he must be divorced and drive a BMW sport utility?

    #3215 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    You can program a game in a day or two. It'll just kinda suck...
    But with MPF, you can certainly bang out a game to rival most EMs without much work

    Well yeah, point, chime, point & chime, advance, point & chime & advance. There, all done.

    #3242 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    IT COSTS $0.00 TO BE A DECENT HUMAN BEING

    Could you bleed for all of us? Thank you.

    #3243 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    The original AMH rotisserie I gave to a guy for a case of beer.

    Now wait, what kind of beer?

    #3331 1 year ago
    Quoted from rosh:

    Waiting for some side bets to start popping up in this thread, as we clearly have naysayers and supporters. Seems Ben should be willing to accept just about any wager

    Wagers? Nope. You can't wager on something that keeps changing the rules.

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    #3350 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    GWJ maybe you should post what you are planning to order and how much it is. The Pinside army is a resource that could save you a lot of money. $64 (about 16%) could have been saved on those two target banks alone.

    Why? Your helping someone that doesn't think he needs any help. This purchase is a prime example of not taking the extra few minutes to investigate possible other sources. It's called no effort.

    Comes here and pounds his chest ......I got the only 2! Yet, minutes later, there are 3 more for his choosing at a lower cost.

    Now honestly the best result out of all of this is he is capping all this nonsense at 2 machines now. No more seeing the ridiculous 1 or 2 , but up to 10 games to be built.

    We are now at 2. Hope he leaves it at 2!

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    #3353 1 year ago

    Here, it took me 30 seconds... Planetary Pinball has reproduction units, in stock for $109 each WITH blank drop targets.

    http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MX-500-5621-05

    This is an absolute shit show that cannot possibly written and you can't help not watching and commenting.

    Where is da coach on this one?.......You better watch your boy and your $$$.

    #3355 1 year ago

    Game over, winner!

    #3356 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    Someone has to be making 5 banks if Stern just ran more Star Wars with FORCE drop targets. Good luck finding them

    See above?

    #3379 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The only one to step forward from the start with cash in hand was Doug (TPB), & not the Go Fund Me fiasco of the money should be there or not.

    John, knock it off already with the poor me and the gofundme. Move on. It's over with and every time you mention this, you keep making the people who were willing to support you with money, quite ticked off.

    Just stop, please.

    #3389 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Also my lone mini whale at this time has his fan base that would like to see it blow up in his face!

    Your lone "mini whale" has looooonnngggg made his bed here with several members of Pinside. Maybe you should, as I am going to say once again, do a little bit of homework on your end.

    #3392 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    You might be surprised at the low levels some people would go to to screw me over. Still see it from a bunch of fans over my past pinball parts production, & people who got free playfield restorations. Most were not customers of mine over the years. Same with all the insults still hurled my way, & that will continue over the 6 month build window. As for Ben, the cost of building anything in Canada has higher costs when the parts go a long distance & cross the border. Also my lone mini whale at this time has his fan base that would like to see it blow up in his face!

    John, you really do need to wake up and smell the coffee. I am in the same boat as many others and that is NONE of us want to see you hurt. Physically, mentally or financially. The things that you bring upon yourself and then throw back in people's faces is what gets you the most negativity. The prank callers and all that, are done by assholes, plain and simple. You are going to get some harsh criticism from people who are in the business who know better and you just thumb your nose at. You harshest critic, Ben Heck, does not want to see you hurt. The redundancy of the ridiculous riles people up. You seem to have an excuse for everything, legit or not. Remember, you came to Pinside with the whole idea, you came here begging for money and you came here name dropping like it was coupons for Tim Horton's. Take the criticism to heart and use what you will, but do not shit on anyone trying to help you.

    #3398 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Go Fund Me did not work & I really could care less after that fiasco

    John, now you are completely lying. How can you say something didn't work that never actually happened? If you could less, then please, STFU about it.

    #3399 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Poker you win or lose, same with any other form of gambling.

    The more knowledge and skill, the less your losses. You don't cash in at $500 table when you are nothing more than a 50 cent player.

    #3401 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Those inefficient bastards could probably learn a few tricks from Greatwich’s finest whale hunter / international pinball company.

    There is a company name! Whale Hunter Pinball International

    #3425 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Everyone here please do not bring up the Go Fund Me fiasco, & I will try to do the same!

    John , thank you.

    #3426 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    We both do not want to get stuff from PPS. Yes stuff will be bunched together to avoid costs. Also if stuff were sent as a gift that gets looked closely like pinball parts by Canada Customs.

    Even though I found that drop target assembly at PPS in stock and cheaper, I really don't blame either you or Ice on your stance against PPS. Rick at PPS has done almost as much bad for pinball as he has done good with his whole "I am Williams" license.

    #3434 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Do not need any more attention to have drinks with anyone in the biz.

    I think many in the industry are quite the drinkers. I have personally been right there with Gary Stern, as he was shitfaced, walking through EXPO.

    #3461 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jvspin:

    I think John has already told us. Stern Pro level (coin-op) circa 1980's. Seems possible by TPF, especially with the layout pretty much finished by an experienced designer.

    Sorry, twist of words. That's not a Pro Model Stern. Doesn't matter, we are all very clear at this point. The OP was just summarizing,

    #3462 1 year ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    John displays the classic narcissist tendency to see everyone as out to get him. It was others that kept him down at work, it’s others who ruined his pinball side business and now it’s others who are torpedoing his dream pinball.
    I’ve sat here and watched people bend over backwards trying to help him with suggestions, offers of help and even free money, all pushed away because everyone is a hater. Yes, there’s been a few trolls but they’re easy to spot and ignore. Instead it all goes out the window because everyone just wants him to fail.
    This is how you actually fail - by refusing help when you need it. By thinking you know better than everyone else. By assuming all your problems are because of other people.
    I’m sure a game of some description will emerge at some point - probably not on time or budget, but it won’t be amazing or commercially viable in any way. What’s sad is it didn’t have to be so limited.

    The absolute truth could not have been written better. Great post

    #3467 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    What I am here to do is produce 1 - 10 games in a 6 month build window. Plan is on track, & getting prepared for the build.

    John, the only person you are fooling is yourself. Plain and simple, you will never build 10 games in 6 months. I am not trying to trash you or your idea, it's just reality. Rome was not built in a day and 10 fully completed pinball machines will not be built by you or any single person in 6 months.

    Keep with coach and your 1 - 2 games and you can make it happen.

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    #3468 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    It will be a pro level pinball machine that could be operated today, not the modern day versions that take a shit load of people & money to bring into mass production.

    John, that is NOT a pro level machine. Pro machines ARE modern day machines. You keep changing the definition to fit your narrative. However, that is not reality.

    #3474 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Nobody else is going to join. You have the one and only person stupid enough to invest, so don’t let him go. Focus on building 1 game. Not 1-2, not up to 10, 1 pin for one mini-whale. Keep it simple.

    John , he is somewhat right. You told everyone a Stern Pro Style Machine. You never told anyone until last week that your idea of a pro machine is anything that takes a quarter. For $10K , no one is going to invest that kind of money with the goal posts being moved so drastically.

    Build your 1 or 2 machines, get it to TPF, let the public see it and then take orders for interested parties. That is the ONLY way you are going to get more orders

    #3475 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    More people can join the build team to make it happen up to the 10 in 6 months.

    Who? Santa Claus and the Seven Dwarfs?

    #3477 1 year ago
    Quoted from homebrood:

    I think 10 would be a monumental task but who knows?

    You going to put of $10K for one to be built?

    Didn't think so.

    #3490 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jvspin:

    That's not correct. John set expectations when he started concentrating more on the mini-whale option as the Big Whale was looking hard to find. This was from 30 days ago.

    What are you even talking about?

    #3491 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    For your own mental health, just stop lol We know it's a trainwreck, we know it's not gonna work we know it's it's DEAD before it even starts.

    Yes, it is a trainwreck. But now that we know he is building a classic style machine with numeric displays, basic rules and layout, that makes it doable. So, no it's NOT dead.

    #3492 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    Don't hate what you can't imitate .

    Listen, could you get your nose anymore brown?

    #3493 1 year ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    John displays the classic narcissist tendency to see everyone as out to get him. It was others that kept him down at work, it’s others who ruined his pinball side business and now it’s others who are torpedoing his dream pinball.
    I’ve sat here and watched people bend over backwards trying to help him with suggestions, offers of help and even free money, all pushed away because everyone is a hater. Yes, there’s been a few trolls but they’re easy to spot and ignore. Instead it all goes out the window because everyone just wants him to fail.
    This is how you actually fail - by refusing help when you need it. By thinking you know better than everyone else. By assuming all your problems are because of other people.
    I’m sure a game of some description will emerge at some point - probably not on time or budget, but it won’t be amazing or commercially viable in any way. What’s sad is it didn’t have to be so limited.

    Hey Skid Mark.....I mean Dee Bow, how in the world can anyone with 2 cents worth of common sense down vote this?

    #3513 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    That's not a slam on John as I think he's doing the best he can with what he's got.

    You mean Beverly Hills Dreams on a Trailer Park budget?

    #3515 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I still think someone screwed me over with the TPB game

    SMH!!!

    #3522 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Top men. Top...men...

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    #3558 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    Simple, I don't believe any of you minions have bent over backwards offering up advice & "free money". Just typing that seems ridiculous. The man is just enjoying himself and not hurting anybody. You just can't seem to take the hint. Your opinion is worthless. He never asked for your advice or what you think! I find it hilarious that you somehow feel like it's so important you need to keep reminding everyone. He's living in your head rent free & i can't believe how much it bugs you he's trying to love his life and doing shit he enjoys doing! Dude, get outside or maybe turn on the pins and try to enjoy the weekend!

    Then you are quite blind. Please , go ahead, ask John if I sent him some money personally for no reason other than to go buy some beer? See, money talks and bullshit walks. It appears you like to walk and criticize something you have absolutely no clue about. Keep up with the downvotes, you are special? Or special when lit?

    #3559 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Just got home from 10 beers at the bar & a local collectors house. On to #11, & I will say the coach & I are very happy with Jon Norris stepping up to the plate. A great guy & as always a few idiots want to try to trash industry vets. Jon wants to donate his fee to charity & I will follow his wishes. I thought that this build would be extremely hard build to do, but with all the stuff Jon is providing it is making my job way easier. You still have not seen what he is working on to get Trailer Trash or if the coach wants a change in title done. All the insults will likely be more favorable for a pinball artist to come on board this project. There are many more people interested in this project, & we will see what plays out during the next 6 month build window. Same as in the future with TPB license. When we see if someone screwed me over with it. Now on to #12 beer.

    LMFAO, John, there is no future with the TPB license. Please, have another beer.

    #3560 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    My wife has Asthma also. It sucks to have to live with smoke everywhere. The coach must still be in the penalty box. I look forward to the build starting September 1. Even the locals are getting interested in going to Texas in March.

    I think he has another. 24 hours?

    #3581 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    You're a clown bud! So.. here's $20..! this should allow me to talk shit on the internet about you

    I did 6 months of clown school. I will honk my horn in your honor.

    I will take the 20 as compensation for having read your posts.

    #3590 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    TPB who knows, I still might have a chance with the boys.

    I have a C & D.....but I might still have a chance? Who are you kidding??

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    #3592 1 year ago

    NO LICENSE FOR YOU!

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    #3595 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jvspin:

    Just keeping things factual.
    Perhaps this is clearer.

    30 days ago

    Quoted from Jvspin:

    Just keeping things factual.
    Perhaps this is clearer.

    30 days ago

    Here is the real fact, not what you keep inferring.

    Post 2655, 8 days ago, exactly when John explained his version of a pro machine. It's not anymore clear than this.

    "I believe I said a pro style pinball machine from the start. To me that is a coin operated commercial style pinball machine. Has a coin door & mechs to be operated. Street level style pinball machine is a good start for the price limit that has to be maintained."

    This is the exact quote and this is "just keeping things factual".

    #3598 1 year ago

    PREPARE! You all have been warned!

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    #3599 1 year ago
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    #3607 1 year ago
    Quoted from greenhornet:

    and right back into the action.

    Reason # 9 why I love and played hockey.

    #3654 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jvspin:

    Yes, and he's just repeating basically the same thing he said 31 days ago, post #764, for people who missed it the first time.

    What am I missing?

    Quite a bit?

    #3655 1 year ago

    Patiently waiting for the return of ICE..........

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    #3656 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Just got home from the bar, & only had a pitcher of beer today. Jon Norris has a very good excel spread sheet showing all the parts needed down to individual screws.

    So did I. Today I had a Amaretto & Dr.Pepper. It was shockingly good! 2 Beers and 2 Shots. I read the owners manual for my lawnmower, all the way down to the bagger attchment.

    #3665 1 year ago

    Waiting for the official "State of the Pinball Build" from the coach himself iceman44

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    #3667 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Doug is likely enjoying some time away from this build.

    Is Doug/Coach/Iceman44 still purchasing a machine???

    #3683 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Like I said you join the list with no money down to maybe secure your spot or not. If you still think this is some troll or con game you would be most likely wrong. Along with the majority that think I cannot get this done.

    I can assure you, I will not be securing as spot. You are not a troll or a con man, but some of your methods have been VERY questionable.

    The majority of us KNOW you cannot build build 10 games in 6 months. However, most of us are rooting for you to get your 1 or 2 done.

    Just stop the nonsense , there are no more mini whales, pods or sugar daddies.

    #3736 1 year ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Since some of you thin skinned Pinside Babies whined to the Mods to have me thrown off I’d be perfectly fine with that.

    People like this are just pathetic. If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. Real simple.

    #3737 1 year ago
    Quoted from Striker:

    Are we talking Bastrop Redneck, Longview Redneck, or other?

    Longview redneck??? That's just someone who smokes Maverick cigarettes, drinks Lone Star Beer and loves Hank Williams Jr.

    #3800 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Now excuse me while I get back to planning my Spooky game release party... oh wait I mean DOING ACTUAL FUCKING WORK ON AN ACTUAL GAME.

    Can I get my goddam Halloween BSE 1st please? I have been waiting well over 6 months. Uh oh, did I say over 6 months?

    #3820 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Should've gone CE. Got mine a few weeks ago. (Sweet game, for $10K (US) butter cab.)

    Why? You don't play side rails and I have no use for the topper.

    #3874 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    I feel like John would have been better off building an old Classic Stern or Bally from scratch.

    At this point, that is what you are pretty much going to get

    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    He doesn't seem that interested in the details of designing a game vs simply constructing one.

    I don't understand this either. He isn't designing a pinball, he is a broke, non profit contractor, assembling one.

    #3885 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The build has not even started yet. Got Ben saying it will be DOA at Texas, & bunch of people think it will be like old Bally & Stern. Wait until you see the whitewood next month. Likely bad from what the gallery here already thinks.

    John , you build it, I cant wait to see it.

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