I didn’t read this mess of a thread, but it’s great some people are really coming around on just how much work and expense a full pin is to design. Most people only look at a layout these days and hand waive most of the work or the couple dozen people who worked on it in varying capacities.

It’s a fucking miracle anyone bothers to make pinball machines anymore. So much effort and risk for little financial reward.

The hobby has come a long way, though there are still plenty of newbies joining and rich dummies who can’t grasp the scope of work in a pin. At least there’s enough people to shout them back down (for now)

Sometimes I think I'm missing out on an epic thread, then I see it has 50 pages to catch up on and I'm like...nah I'm good

So things are going better than I thought they would

How do I donate a Michaels Gift Card to John so he can foam core up a design? Follow up question: how safe are the foam cutting tools for people who are six beers deep?

I just gotta know what the grand blurred vision is

I don't get what Sandwich John brings to the table for Mustache Jon. It's clearly not project management skills

Jon made a basic shooting whitewood and cribbed together some basic engineering documents (something John should have done months ago). So what exactly is there for John to do? I think he's some sort of printer... Shouldn't he be trying to get an artist so he has something to print? Do you even have access to printing equipment or are you just going to have to subcontract it out?

Programing can mean a lot of things. You can program a basic early SS-like game within a month thanks to MPF. It's just few would want a game so basic these days...

I kinda wonder if Jon Norris would be better off showing more of his work as a homebrewer and taking examples to shows. Maybe he can get people into one of his designs that way, sorta like TNA was willed into production from positive show reception.

I'll happily donate some pinball parts from my homebrew box of parts to John. A ball trough and some old flipper mechs should get him going... I could toss in some random ramp parts if he goes Franken Stern Pro model

What if it was Trailer Park Aliens from Outer Space? Then you can do all the bad taste jokes, stereotypes, etc... but it's ok because the little people are purple, have tentacles, and the confederate flag hats are references to a fictional planetary confederacy that lost the intergalactic civil war over robot rights.

It's all a bunch of nonsense that won't happen. So we might as well really lean into the bad idea

benheck how long does it take for my licensing people to get with your people. Two weeks should be sufficient, no?

Damn. I hadn’t considered that possibility during my seconds of planning. Oh well. It won’t affect my schedule in the slightest

If Jon gave John a layout to cut, and Jon can program a bit on MPF, and someone is already doing art, then I find the prospect of John putting together 2-3 games by March for $10-20k entirely doable (not counting fees to Jon and co). It's mostly just screwing, soldering, and a whole lot of crimping once the parts and playfield are in. Shouldn't take more than two weeks a game. The physical labor of putting together two or three pins is trivial compared to the rest of the design work.

Best of luck. Still don't get why you aren't working on a white wood now instead of waiting till September 1 though... No time like the present, especially if you think you'll need to iterate on the design. (Which would work how? John makes a physical change on a game and somehow Jon Norris draws it in CAD in Vegas? Eh...details to figure out later)

I don't think a modern harness is nearly as difficult as they used to be, especially if using a modular system like P3 or Fast with boards mounted to the bottom. No need to use matrices anymore (unless you wanna) which really simplifies wiring. I think Fast has some limitations on auto fire coils and switches needing to be on the same board, but I'm not positive. I use P3 stuff. John will get a crash course in dealing with EMI and the dangers of floating ground soon though.

bring back alphanumeric games you cowards

LCDs and alphanumeric displays aren’t going to make a huge BOM difference. The difference is in generating assets for the display and making it look halfway decent. That needs to be spread out over a large run.

Focus on gameplay. Use a basic display

An alphanumeric display can be upgraded to a LCD experience later

People love classic single level layouts. John has made playfields proving that demand.

I look forward to seeing Jon’s ideas

The rules, lights, and audio all need a lot of attention. That’s what separates a TNA from The Mafia

While considering lenses, have you considered which, if any, lights will be RGB? I think RGB lightning provides a lot of bang for the buck and making a game feel more loaded than it is. Again, look at games like The Mafia and Whoa Nellie vs TNA.

Here's an old layout, with some upgrades, and a quick intense light show I wrote for funsies (mushrooms were involved)

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I don't know what sort of rules or modes have been discussed. But maybe the trailer park floods and the lights slowly turn blue as it creeps towards the flippers, or there is a meth lab fire and they're all yellow and orange lights spreading across the playfield, or alternating red and blue light general illumination for a police raid, etc...

There are so many ways to integrate a theme beyond a LCD screen.

If trailer parks are the theme that gets John excited enough to get to work, then it's a good enough theme.

They can slap a new theme on it later if he does somehow turn out a great shooting pin.

Ben Heck's Intoxicated Trailer Park Escapades sounds like a winner to me

Yeah I have things I could be drawing in CAD, or I can suggest dumb ideas like decorating the pops to look like old tractor tires and oil barrels. I do think the game needs a junky car as a bash toy to beat on. Some cheap metal car toy with an an opto in front of it. Maybe an old broken satellite dish in the corner as decoration (if ambitious, copy the Goldeneye satellite dish mech)

Simple can be great when executed well.

It's kinda interesting watching the Funhouse 2.0 kits and the number of people who said they have started to stick to the original ruleset over the new one.

As far as coding rules, modes, etc... I think John & co should focus on a vertical slice. The point is to show a bare minimum completion in all areas, demonstrating the core gameplay and concepts, and what the overall vibe will be like. It doesn't really matter if only one mode gets partially programmed with one set of audio callouts in a set order. It's a game that's going to be at a convention that people would play once or twice for a minute, and that's it.

Speaking of which, I look forward to the original writing for these callouts and modes. Maybe you can crowdsource some of it from the community.

speaking of which, the game really needs a non functional toilet somewhere

can John reuse your old idea of a self crushing beer can?

I'm hearing something about drop targets and stand up targets. Maybe they can have stickers of old beer cans and liquor bottles to make it look like a makeshift gun range. Give them a really satisfying "tink" noise when you shoot a drop down. The sound a beer being cracked open when they reset

After saying some of my ideas, Big Buck Hunter probably has some ideas worth stealing and iterating on. Need a UFO to abduct a local

What if it was something like the Centaur captive ball in-line drops? Hit the ball, hit down a drop with a sticker of tall grass, get to the end. It could be the "secret stash" buried out back. Award a mystery award and bring the drops back up. Maybe make it a scoop instead of a stand up at the end so the game can hold the ball for some fanfare.

Scoleri like drop targets from Ghostbusters. Little weed plants pop up, and you gotta harvest them before cops find them

>He wants people to know that he will not be doing any programing of this game, & I might have to find another source for a 5 bank drop target assembly.

Thankfully for a prototype you could get away with reusing some old 5 banks off eBay. A couple are up there right now

Finding a programmer though is going to be harder. It doesn't take a lot of know how to get the game to flip and for basic mechanisms to function. But you'll need someone who can devote a lot of time to writing the software. The software is what brings a box of blinking lights to life. They'd also ideally be local to you, or you need to get them a copy of the game.

Best of luck

The software really can't be understated. Look at a game like Cosmic Carnival. Great art, has ramps, LCD screen, hand painted sculpts, an okish fan layout. But the software was barely existent, so there was barely a game to play, so no one wanted it. Checked a lot of the other boxes though...

Whereas TNA was loved without art, complex animations, or particularly deep rules...because of the lights, sounds, and refined gameplay

I like the alliteration of Trailer Trash. Redneck Riveria is ok. It's too offensive to use, but Cracker Country Club is amusing to myself

Does John have a fake name for his trailer park yet? Not the name of the game, but the name of the park within the game.

Also is there any sort of storyline?

As the player am I trying to save the park? Maybe trying to stop Mr Big Business from closing the park to put up some expensive condos for yuppies?

Am I trying to escape from the park? Maybe making money through crime and drugs, avoiding the police, trying to save up enough to get out of the park?

Am I just experiencing trailer park life? So dealing with random floods/fire/toxic waste spills, playing modes of redneck activities like racing ATVs and shooting guns, etc...

with some Big Buck Hunter mixed in

You can make a good storyline without a lot. High Speed does a lot with very little

Why care? His goal is slightly less impossible this way

When I heard 7 bank of drops my first thought was Jon Norris is doing another take on EBD like he did with Bad Girls, Sharkey’s Shootout, and Merlin’s Arcade. Not that I’m complaining, it’s an amazing layout to iterate on.

To be clear I think this thing makes no business sense. But I don’t think John cares that much and had already decided he’s going to do it his way. So might as well help him make it the best bad idea it can be. Besides I like chatting about game design and suggesting silly things.

You shouldn’t punch down in comedy. I don’t think John is punching down…

It should be a celebration of a life style that some people do enjoy. Plenty of people who admit to being rednecks without shame.

Vinyl siding on one side. Exposed on the other side while you save up for the double wide to be dropped off.

Partly why I suggest he crowd source suggestions for callouts

“God don’t make no trash, just sour mash”

“The south shall tilt again”

“Don’t retreat, reload” (kickback callout)

I wrote some suggestions

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Agreed on the pops. Not much room for action in that configuration. 4 seems very expensive for not a lot of action.

I like the figure 8 looking shape on the right. I wonder if you could get the top loop big enough to put a pop in the middle to reject weak shots while strong shots go around it.

The left orbit return lane feels like a bit of a waste of space. Maybe behind the drop targets there can be a gap to shoot when drops are down. With a ball guide maybe it could go up and over and exit out the right orbit.

Should the top orbit have an opening to drain into the pops like Seawitch/Beatles? There is a roll over up there. Is the stand up necessary if the roll over can be used to detect a shot through the pop cluster?

If we kill that flipper and a pop we can have the standups. I have a strong vision of making it look like beer cans on a fence line for target practice, but a little old lady's laundry line is behind the targets. And you don't want to shoot behind it or shell call the police on you. But when the police are on the way? Shoot em up and then run away via spinner shots!

Speaking of which, my humble proposal for one of the spinners

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What if an Alex Jones type was the guiding voice/narrator for the player? Sorta like a JK Simmons playing J. Jonah Jameson

If it has an old Gottlieb feel then opposite inlanes to spinners for bonkers points

Make all the wireforms look like stolen cable tv hookups and I'm sold

What if the giant newton ball on the playfield was a beer can. And the beer can worked like the bridge magnet in Godzilla.

You could hit the can to knock one back, ie the small captive ball hits the target. 6 pack, 12 pack, case, keg multi balls for successive hits.

As the ball comes down the spinner on the right, it could whip the ball like Godzilla. Like you've been drinking and you're dizzy after doing the figure center spinner loop shot. (in my mind that area looks like an off road dirt track)

Not too bad. Put a beer can sticker on it and call it a day.

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One man's piss is another man's beer. Wait...

If you did keep 4 pops, maybe it could look like a backyard wrestling ring. Or maybe slings instead of pops. Optional limited edition real bell add on for future whales

How about two shoot again insert lights between the flippers with artwork of an old man staring the player down a double barrel shotgun. In the background, his scantily clad daughter climbing out the back of a trailer. Maybe he’s also the trailer park supervisor/antagonist of the game.

It’s easy to write what you know

Maybe the return lane on the left can be decorated to look like a polluted drainage ditch, or it’s the highway right behind the park, or it’s abandoned rail road tracks.

The best part will be when a charity says “you sold what now to make this donation? And there are photos online of our charity name and this…thing?”

The game over sound could be the sound of a screen door slamming shut and a “come back now ya hear” callout

Maybe a sling looks like a bug zapper and makes a zap noise and fires a small flasher

Sometimes during attract it should play a riff from dueling banjos from Deliverance

Just because a theme makes little business sense doesn’t mean it isn’t rich with creativity opportunity

It’d be great if you had to pull a lawn mower crank to plunge the ball (or at least start the game)

I have an idea for a mode where you kill the flippers and most of the lights. You take a few skill shots at the drop targets. And it plays firework noises because you’re shooting bottle rockets out of your hands. Don’t go to slow or you lose your hand and the mode is over.

I still like my name of Cracker Country Club

It looks like the game is set up for the right orbit shot to be repeatable. Start playing nascar passing noises as a combo begins.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/2251832336840252.html

Cheap toy camper made of metal. Cut it up and you got a bash toy.

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“If the trailer is rockin, don’t start tiltin”

Toxic waste spill mode: shots light green, go collect the waste by hitting green shots, then shoot the right orbit to dump it into the drainage ditch behind the park. Repeat till clean

Meth lab explosion. Areas of the playfield slowly turn yellow, orange, red and spreads to surrounding areas. Shoot the orbit to go to the ditch for a bucket of water, shots light blue, make a shot and the area is extinguished. Repeat till fire is out

Tornado Storm. Alternate between hiding in the storm shelter in the left return area and collecting laundry from the clothes line for the little old lady. Get back inside before the winds pick back up. (call back to a previous idea I had for the drops and standups. While shooting her clothes off the line and she screams about her knickers and bed sheets, one callout could be a chainsaw rev as a reference to that scene in the laundry lines)

Police Raid. Hit spinners to run from police. Get some space and then hit the secret stash collect standup in the pops to destroy evidence/hide stuff/whatever.

Park Flood. Shoot a shot then the bash truck to drop off an animal to save for the flood. Do twice for all shots before playfield floods with blue lights

Yeah I’m a white dude from the south. It’s both a heritage thing and a pejorative. Redneck is a pejorative too. What’s the issue?

It’s not marketable for a dozen reasons besides the name

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(term)

Also it doesn’t matter

License Big Mutha Truckers

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If you wanna do some redneck jokes in a marketable way, license King of the Hill. Or make something ludicrous because YOLO.

Blackout multiball. All lights out after too many beers and it forgets your scoring in the mode when it’s over (shows up in bonus tho)

No snitches in this trailer park. We just ignore our problems round these parts.

Should there be a mean drunk character in the game, or should it just be an angry drunk trailer park supervisor as the antagonist. Don’t wanna get too close to ripping off TPB.

But if we did feel like ripping off TPB, we need to be rescuing kittens. Just have random kitty inserts temporarily light for collects. Get 9 for an extra ball

This loser spent the day day drinking with his wife at the beach instead of worrying about dumb shit like Ice, and more important things like trailer parks. Maybe if I respected Ice I would care. Kinda sad.

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If there was a pinside pinball, I nominate Levi as narrator to the player

I was thinking of this. I know John is driving the bus on the project. But it seems really silly to make the drops say MONEY and the standups to say CASH. They’re the same thing…

It would make more sense if the drops said VAULT (or similar). Hit the drops down to break open the vault, then CASH stand ups light up to get as much cash as you can before the “vault” resets itself. (Or label the drops SMASH and the standups GRAB)

Or does John want to elaborate on his MONEY and CASH feature?

Art is the last part of the project. I’d want to hear John’s ideas for rules and features. That should guide the artwork.

It kinda makes me think of the stories I heard of Gottlieb in the early 90s. Everything being worked on at the same time, siloed off, and smashed together at the end of six months with little iteration. Course they had a factory line to keep busy.

Deadlines are good for keeping a project moving along.

But I’m guessing this will lean more grade school group project where a few people do their end very well, a few just turn something in, some do basically nothing, and everyone gets a generous pity C-

Speaking of getting the cash money. If there was a Wu Tang table, knock down CREAM drops to light dolla dolla bill standups around the playfield.

Would John consider doing open source coding so the community could help? I can certainly get the ball rolling writing some generic MPF configs and maybe a dumb mode…

I know John has literally no idea what I just said. But throwing it out there.

The happy hour was only going to be 15 minutes. Then 45 minutes of belligerence

It’d be the top shelf Kool Aide and rat poison. Gotta show off on the way out.

How much could a license for that be? There is synergy of coin op gaming and coin op cheap plastic crap.

If Trailer Park is out how about Alabama Man

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/3256802372680612.html?gatewayAdapt=Pc2Msite4itemAdapt

Paint a small broken water tower to fill out the back corner of the game. Train model stores have lots of stuff like this

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Combine it all: trailer parks, bad rapping, convoluted mythology and belief system

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But how do they work?

We get JPop involved and we can do the Dark Carnival. Everyone wins! (Except Ice’s wallet)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Carnival_(Insane_Clown_Posse)

That bullshit is ripe for…something

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Should the game have a spinning disc in the center to turn on as a tornado? You know like the hit classic, Stern NBA

Based on some of the conversation

I opened up the pop area some. Maybe add some more star roll overs. Added exit into figure 8 area. Added entrance up top for weak orbit shots or via upost to stop orbit shots. Opening up top also lets it come back via the left another way.

I added a spinning disc. I had the idea about a magnetic beer can like Godzilla. Different way to get a similar effect. Perfect for a possible tornado mode

Removed 3rd flipper (although maybe keep it if there is a magnet above it, again like Godzilla)

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It ain’t true Trailer Trash if the art isn’t an hodgepodge of haphazardly placed disparate elements found along the side of the information super highway. True to its origins.

I don't see the point of hammering on this dead horse.

He's not going to say "you were right and I was wrong" or anything like that. Why belabor it or stay mad? He isn't suddenly about to become rational or logical.

Join the fun of John's misadventures! He isn't hurting anyone but Ice's checkbook, and Ice will be the first to tell you (at length) that he can afford it.

Can the coin door be modified to accept beer bottle caps?

A slot for quarters, bottle caps, and then Susan B Anthony coins. Set for anything that may come your way in 1980

Definitely need one of the old cigarette holders from the wood rail era.

It'd be funny if the drink holder could detect a drink being put in and out of it. Then associate some callouts to it

It detects a drink being placed and yells "NOW WATCH THIS" (as in "hold my beer, and watch this").

It notices you drain and pick up a drink, "DON'T DRAIN THAT DRINK TOO"

It notices you drink while you play "I LIKE YOUR STYLE: DRUNK"

You get a tilt warning while a drink is in the holder "CAREFUL, PRECIOUS CARGO"

I 100% think one of the slings should look like a bug zapper and there should be a flasher next to it for when it goes off.

Maybe the other sling can look like a dinner triangle?

Spitton bucket for the other sling with spit noises? Or too gross lol

Game needs a dip cup somewhere

You could have some targets that add into a “beer cup” or a “dip cup” jackpots (maybe dip cup pops and beer spinner). Once both have reached a minimum it could start a mode. Hit the yellow beer cups to score beer cup jackpots. The mode ends when you drain or when you shoot a red dip cup, then you get your dip cup jackpot plus all beer cups jackpots.

Maybe you “throw up” green shots onto the playfied after drinking the dip cup.

I know it’s going to make a Gottlieb System 1 look like a Tesla

But I got free time to kill and those ideas pour out of my mind faster than John pours himself beers

I’m as trashy as John is drunk. Well drunk by 2pm standards.

One of the pops needs to look like an above ground pool that has turned into a mosquito infested primordial soup

Every idea I’ve written in this thread is free to use, patent, trademark, monetize, etc.

I want the best for Ice’s investment.

Plus it’s for charity I think? Doesn’t matter

It looks like Jon drew his sketch in some sort of vector illustration program. Depending on which one, it's not too bad to get it into a more proper CAD format to then get ready for a CNC router.

Or if it's a one off, Jon can probably swing routing it by hand. Getting the art to align would be a nightmare. Extra thick keylines I suppose...

Seems like he is actually good to go as-is. I feel like half the battle with John is understanding what he writes, which is mildly troubling when the primary contractor should be the most communicative and organized.

I still want to hear what the CASH and MONEY feature idea is. How is it supposed to work? Or is it simply the drops say MONEY and the standups say CASH?

I think Ice has demonstrated he is a firm believer in the sunk cost fallacy. I don't doubt him paying John.

I've felt pretty owned the last few days. Sitting around, making up a bunch of dumb ideas for Ice's pin...FOR FREE. All my work that I won't get to benefit from... So much ownage

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I know Kaneda has thrown out the idea of manufacturers making an extremely limited number of games for the ultra wealthy customers. Seems like Ice agrees with it being a good idea

Course Kaneda isn't especially familiar with how a pin is made, let alone how many resources it takes to make it fun. But Ice should know better by this point...
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Out of spite, Ice will donate so much to charity that we may end up solving cancer. How does that make you feel? Owned?

You can program a game in a day or two. It'll just kinda suck...

But with MPF, you can certainly bang out a game to rival most EMs without much work

I don’t think that’s unique to John. I think most of the hobby primarily only pays attention to the layout and artwork. At least at first.

Hell ask most people what would be in their dream theme and they can barely articulate a coherent vision of what the game would be.

Software really is the most important thing, but it doesn’t photograph well and isn’t the sexy part of homebrewing.

When I got into homebrewing I choose to do a retheme because I figured what’s the point of making something entirely custom if I have no idea how to make it do the things I want it to. So I’ve mostly focused on learning MPF before going all custom. (And I don’t post much about it because who really gives a shit besides me)

I’m rooting for John to do his best

I wasn’t paying attention to the first few weeks of this nonsense. I don’t have hang ups about this being a “stern pro”. By the time I came in it seems like John has:

- some experience in owning and maintaining pins
- some experience in pinball part production
- a willing business partner
- a legit playfield designer
- a legit playfield printing service
- allegedly a legit coder
- maybe an artist
- some sort of band for background music
- a drinking problem
- the sort of irrational confidence that you need to spin all these plates at once

Make a glorious hot mess

I like the alliteration. Some other off the top of my head

Redneck Resort
Redneck Renaissance
Redneck Rendezvous
Redneck Royale
Redneck Raiders
Redneck Rampage
Redneck Rangers
Redneck Revenge
Ragin' Rednecks
Ransackin' Rednecks

(Rowdy Rednecks is a good one too)

Because it didn't start off as a homebrew. The plan is to have 1-10 units produced, depending on orders.

This isn't much of a company*, but it's not really a homebrew either (even if the finish product is a one of one comparable to a typical homebrew)

*John should probably form a LLC to protect himself from additional bankruptcies

Ice is still around. He sent me an actual nice message the other day. He seems very excited about the project.

Happy Birthday. Have a fun night. Maybe put away the phone once the drinks come out

I just checked the USPTO and there are a lot of trademarks on Redneck Riviera. Drinks, particular meals and cocktails, beer, clothing, cigars, bbq sauce, sunscreen lotion, the name of the restaurant, tourist store, concert hall, etc... A separate place has the TM for agricultural consulting. Another for casinos.

Pinball and games looks clear though. I only went through the active trademarks though

Idk about Canada's trademark system

Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Into the future

If the rules and sounds are basic and not too game specific (sounds like it), you might as well let every mini-whale have the option to change the artwork to what they want. John can get a copy of the CAD file from the wood shop, then mini-whales can give it to their preferred artist who can send their final art to the print shop.

It would complicate things in an already complicated process, but this thread isn't about doing things the easy way.

But have you tried drinking beer while doing yoga?

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I’m going with physical hardware present, rough art with alignment issues, Gottlieb System 1 level of depth of rules, minimal assets on a LCD screen, minimal sound effects, minor EMI issues related to wiring.

I’ll toss in $50 into a charity betting pool. Winner gets to name the charity the pool goes to.

My charity is St Jude Children’s Hospital.

Bruh, if it is “Funhouse” level in six months I will increase my charity donation to $500. Not happening

Sandwich John leaving bread crumbs like Hansel

I’m two deep, but they were tall boys. That’s all for the night though

I'm still confused about why a 5 bank was chosen or a 7 bank proposed. The easily available drops are in sets of 1 and 3, sometimes you can get 4. I thought the point was to have off the shelf parts.

Anyhow, for 1-2 games it's probably fine.

Could have split the difference and put two 3 banks side by side.

Also we can start running through some cost estimates here. There isn't that much going on

4 pops x $50
3 spinners x $25
3 flippers x $45
1 ball trough x $100
1 ball trough ball guide x $35
1 auto launch assembly x $60
1 uppost x $40
3 slings x $45
8 rollover switches & mount x $4.5
10 standups x $8

That's $1,000 in playfield parts, not counting ball guides, posts, rubbers, support rails, lenses, etc.

A Fast starter bundle should get them most of the stuff they'll need (which by the way is out of stock, order now). That's $650

A minicomputer $150

Probably $200 in wires, crimps, connectors, etc

Basic speakers and amp $100

Basic display $50

A cut playfield with art applied. $500-750?

A cabinet with associated trim and hardware $800-1,000?

We're at about $5k with a donated playfield design, no art, no code.

Someone has to be making 5 banks if Stern just ran more Star Wars with FORCE drop targets. Good luck finding them

That's not the modern Stern bank and appear to be NOS. They could be new reproductions? Not sure why PPS would be making them, but could be.

Do you think this game will be up to Punny Factory levels?

Gameplay examples

that video is relatively old. The instagrams are more recent

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce2Hdtjp5X3/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeomahVJhDz/ (note they said they finished code 9 weeks ago, they announced this project in Dec 2019 where art and playfield design was already done: https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2019/12/16/punny-factory/)

Coding a game into being fun is truly the hardest part (besides building more than a handful)

Would it be more economical for everything to go to Ice, and then he ships one large box into Canada? These are the sorta things you need to be considering as project manager...

I don't see why you wouldn't just buy from the cheapest vendors for everything. Like hardly anything should be ordered at Marco considering their prices compared to PB Resource and Pinball Life.