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Trailer Trash-the Pin. The GWJ Chronicles

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    “Trailer Trash-the Pin. The GWJ Chronicles”

    • John finds the big whale and makes 1 "super LE CE Bling" Trailer Park Boys pin 17 votes
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    • John finds 10 small whales and makes 10 "pro style homebrew type" Trailer Park Boys pins 11 votes
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    #2051 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    Lets see if I got this strait... The pin will be TPB unless there is no license, or September 1 it dies. If the license is obtained, well known designer will be named. If no license is obtained, it will be a generic trailer trash pin, but new mini whales will be sought and no famous designer or pinball talent will be used. Build will start Sept 1 to be ready in time for TPF in March, at which time a pro style pin will be unveiled.
    Maybe we just need a countdown timer to TPF.

    Boy I sure hope someone is flowcharting this all out. The menu options and associated (or it could die) deadlines are really starting to confuse me

    #2052 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The pinball designer who is well known in the industry will have no problem with a design already done for the most part. 3 weeks + will not make any difference in the 6 month build window of 1-10 games.

    It is such a relief knowing that:

    1) whether it takes a day or a month to get the license

    2) whether your designer starts now or in two months

    3) whether you build a licensed theme or not and

    4) whether you build 1 game or 10

    It will all result in a Stern level pro machine in 6 months. I mean wow that is just the most nimble team I have ever heard of. You should be proud. In fact Stern really should be calling you next week to hire the whole group. I mean you put their own teams who take over a year to get a game going to absolute shame. Well done !

    #2053 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    And it's more expensive! What a rip!
    Has this project moved into Phase: It Dies yet?

    Wasnt it really borne there? The obit is still writing itself.

    I do appreciate the sense of FOMO he is creating. dr did the same thing, just before the house of cards collapsed.

    #2054 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    Wasnt it really borne there? The obit is still writing itself.
    I do appreciate the sense of FOMO he is creating. dr did the same thing, just before the house of cards collapsed.

    Way over thinking it.

    No flowchart needed.

    #2055 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    It is such a relief knowing that:
    1) whether it takes a day or a month to get the license
    2) whether your designer starts now or in two months
    3) whether you build a licensed theme or not and
    4) whether you build 1 game or 10
    It will all result in a Stern level pro machine in 6 months. I mean wow that is just the most nimble team I have ever heard of. You should be proud. In fact Stern really should be calling you next week to hire the whole group. I mean you put their own teams who take over a year to get a game going to absolute shame. Well done !

    Teams are standing by. Master harpoonist races to the boat’s bow and is in position. Orders received, fire when ready!! That she blows, Matey. What did we catch today? Maybe the same thing as we caught 4 days ago which was the same as 11 and 19 days ago and was …. nothing to report. Not a whale in sight.

    #2056 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    Boy I sure hope someone is flowcharting this all out. The menu options and associated (or it could die) deadlines are really starting to confuse me

    It's a very elaborate flowchart, but whatever option you choose ends up on "It Dies"

    #2057 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Speaking of mouth feel, low on beer on our last day. Made TANG BALLS, tang + fireball + beer + water + ice
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    It looks like "Swish", she's hard as fuck to drive into you but once you do your fucked

    #2058 1 year ago

    This is all you need to know!

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    #2059 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    It's a very elaborate flowchart, but whatever option you choose ends up on "It Dies"

    I love GWJ'S enthusiasm and positive can do attitude. But when he ends a diatribe 2 paragraphs long outlining his complex yet vague plan to make it happen , and ends on "or it dies!" Just makes me giggle.

    I honestly don't know what to think at this point, but damn it is entertaining.

    #2060 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    And it's more expensive! What a rip!
    Has this project moved into Phase: It Dies yet?

    I’ll take it! I can’t find poppyseed buns to make a legit Chicago vegan hot dog!

    #2061 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    I love GWJ'S enthusiasm and positive can do attitude. But when he ends a diatribe 2 paragraphs long outlining his complex yet vague plan to make it happen , and ends on "or it dies!" Just makes me giggle.
    I honestly don't know what to think at this point, but damn it is entertaining.

    Can you recap it again Beech? Lol

    #2062 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    I’ll take it! I can’t find poppyseed buns to make a legit Chicago vegan hot dog!

    Go figure. Who knew. Lol

    #2063 1 year ago

    Well a nice summer day drinking beer & working on a vid at the shop. So 3 at the bar listening to the jukebox, 2 working on a pin, & then a nice night at a collectors relaxing another 5 buds. I am enjoying my summer before I have to dedicate 6 months towards the build program. Yes my health in the past got me down at times, & I seem to be in better shape since I retired almost 2 years ago.
    I did get a response back about TPB, & here it is. Does not look to promising to me, & I am still trying to contact the boys personally.

    Hello John, thank you for reaching out.

    At this time the TPB team is working with manufacturers and licensees to bring a variety of licensed goods to life. We have your contact information and will reach out should we require further information.

    Thank you for your interest at this time,
    Alison

    Like I say I am not Roger Sharpe, & I will continue on the journey. If it dies the end of this month for TPB, then on to Trailer Trash ASAP. PS: I still have zero money requested for TPB or Trailer Trash.

    #2064 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Well a nice summer day drinking beer & working on a vid at the shop. So 3 at the bar listening to the jukebox, 2 working on a pin, & then a nice night at a collectors relaxing another 5 buds. I am enjoying my summer before I have to dedicate 6 months towards the build program. Yes my health in the past got me down at times, & I seem to be in better shape since I retired almost 2 years ago.
    I did get a response back about TPF, & here it is. Does not look to promising to me, & I am still trying to contact the boys personally.
    Hello John, thank you for reaching out.
    At this time the TPB team is working with manufacturers and licensees to bring a variety of licensed goods to life. We have your contact information and will reach out should we require further information.
    Thank you for your interest at this time,
    Alison
    Like I say I am not Roger Sharpe, & I will continue on the journey. If it dies the end of this month for TPB, then on to Trailer Trash ASAP. PS: I still have zero money requested for TPB or Trailer Trash.

    That’s a hard NO GWJ

    #2065 1 year ago

    Yep that’s a no. TPB dies on the vine…

    #2066 1 year ago

    Yes I am going to give it a new deadline of August 12 for TPB for the Boys to clue in. If not on to Trailer Trash if I have 1 or more mini whales.

    #2067 1 year ago

    I guess GWJ can build the Trailer Trash homebrew and ask them again with a product to show as the basis for a retheme.

    #2068 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I am going to give it a new deadline of August 12 for TPB for the Boys to clue in. If not on to Trailer Trash if I have 1 or more mini whales.

    So you want someone to pay you $10K sight unseen, concept unseen, prototype unseen, for an unlicensed themed pin that you will develop in 6 months never having developed a pinball from scratch before Did you buy the customer contact list at auction from Deeproot ?

    Seriously please just post the go fund me. I got fun money burning a hole in my pocket to put towards it but the offer won’t stand forever. I’m serious.

    Nobody in their right mind is throwing $10K at this unless they are Ty Webb. John all your naysayers (well most of them) will give you money to just try to put your dream theme together. No strings attached. Succeed awesome. Fail, we still all learn something and it will be interesting.

    #2069 1 year ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    So you want someone to pay you $10K sight unseen, concept unseen, prototype unseen, for an unlicensed themed pin that you will develop in 6 months never having developed a pinball from scratch before Did you buy the customer contact list at auction from Deeproot ?
    Seriously please just post the go fund me. I got fun money burning a hole in my pocket to put towards it but the offer won’t stand forever. I’m serious.
    Nobody in their right mind is throwing $10K at this unless they are Ty Webb. John all your naysayers (well most of them) will give you money to just try to put your dream theme together. No strings attached. Succeed awesome. Fail, we still all learn something and it will be interesting.

    Can you summarize it again please! Lol

    Let me get this straight…..

    #2070 1 year ago

    Waiting for Benny Heck to weigh in on the licensing. Lol

    How many times did he tell us?

    #2071 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Well a nice summer day drinking beer & working on a vid at the shop. So 3 at the bar listening to the jukebox, 2 working on a pin, & then a nice night at a collectors relaxing another 5 buds. I am enjoying my summer before I have to dedicate 6 months towards the build program. Yes my health in the past got me down at times, & I seem to be in better shape since I retired almost 2 years ago.
    I did get a response back about TPB, & here it is. Does not look to promising to me, & I am still trying to contact the boys personally.
    Hello John, thank you for reaching out.
    At this time the TPB team is working with manufacturers and licensees to bring a variety of licensed goods to life. We have your contact information and will reach out should we require further information.
    Thank you for your interest at this time,
    Alison
    Like I say I am not Roger Sharpe, & I will continue on the journey. If it dies the end of this month for TPB, then on to Trailer Trash ASAP. PS: I still have zero money requested for TPB or Trailer Trash.

    Reading this reminds me of an old Simpsons episode…

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    #2072 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I am going to give it a new deadline of August 12 for TPB for the Boys to clue in.

    Good call. Five more business days is probably enough to get this thing signed, sealed, and delivered.

    #2073 1 year ago

    Ok new idea if Trailed Park Trash is a no go. John takes an Oktoberfest and rethemes it to all the locales be drinks beer in Halifax. The assets are free. He has the plot already laid out. John doesn’t need an artist he can just photoshop pictures of himself. Doesn’t need a designer or manufacturer- all done. We can all help design the new rule set. If Dave Fix is truly his friend he will let him recode the software. There can be a Rudy type countdown where he has to drink 5 beers before midnight. Now that would be something worthy of the TPF floor.

    #2074 1 year ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    It's because the licensing company is so excited about the exposure....

    I know when I think about exposing myself I start to get real excited! Not surprising!

    #2075 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I am going to give it a new deadline of August 12 for TPB for the Boys to clue in. If not on to Trailer Trash if I have 1 or more mini whales.

    Bro, the reason there are firms & specialists that handle licensing is to keep people like you away from them. “The boys” hired these people to filter out the riff raff & look out for their best interests.

    #2076 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I am going to give it a new deadline of August 12 for TPB for the Boys to clue in. If not on to Trailer Trash if I have 1 or more mini whales.

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    #2077 1 year ago

    Yes I guess the experts are right about licensing. But I will see if anything comes out with the boys at the last minute of the new deadline.

    #2078 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I did get a response back about TPB, & here it is. Does not look to promising to me

    Well I am SHOCKED!!

    #2079 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I guess the experts are right about licensing. But I will see if anything comes out with the boys at the last minute of the new deadline.

    OK are you switching gears to the Amazon prime show the boys? It seems like you've dropped that trailer park portion?

    Now that you see you are wrong about licensing, what else might you be wrong about, that other people are warning you about?

    Or is it aboot?

    #2080 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I guess the experts are right about licensing. But I will see if anything comes out with the boys at the last minute of the new deadline.

    It won’t

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    #2081 1 year ago

    Yes it is a long shot. But you would think they have to give the info to the boys themselves of a product proposition. I do not think they can just say NO, & be done for it. But what do I know about the license dance routine.

    #2082 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes it is a long shot. But you would think they have to give the info to the boys themselves of a product proposition. I do not think they can just say NO, & be done for it. But what do I know about the license dance routine.

    You've seen the routine. They said no. They are not going to talk to "the boys." Even if you knew "the boys", you wouldn't get this strange prototype big whale license you're after. They don't give out licenses for non-funded hobby projects.

    Why do they have licensing? TOO MAKE MONEY.

    #2083 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Hello John, thank you for reaching out.

    At this time the TPB team is working with manufacturers and licensees to bring a variety of licensed goods to life. We have your contact information and will reach out should we require further information.

    Thank you for your interest at this time,
    Alison

    That was the easy way for them to say NO.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Like I say I am not Roger Sharpe, & I will continue on the journey.

    Good grief John, you smmarize this like it's OMG news. Every single time you mentioned Roger, you were reminded that you were NO Roger Sharpe. You are like a child that is told 100 times no, but you do it anyway to learn the hard way.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    If it dies the end of this month for TPB, then on to Trailer Trash ASAP

    Quit procrastinating. Every single day you wait for something that is never going to happen is a day lost to your TPF deadline. Start the TPT project NOW.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    PS: I still have zero money requested for TPB or Trailer Trash

    Well Duh! No one is going to give you a dime for NOTHING.

    John, show me a playfield rendering and I will be happy to open up a Go Fund Me for you to build a TPT Pro. I will open it up with a donation out of my own pocket. I will also act as the administrator so you cannot withdraw funds at will. You will have to provide updates with evidence for withdrawls. We will open a whole new thread to document the progress. You ready?

    #2084 1 year ago

    Ok here’s the super duper twist ending to this. GWJ actually already acquired an alternate license to TPB two years ago. He has already made a flipping white wood and has had it extensively play tested over the past two years. He has the artist and manufacturer already lined up and ready to go.

    He makes up a thread about a sham TPB pin and a completely unobtainable 6 months from scratch timeframe to get a Pinside thread really rolling. Then when things look the bleakest he announces a new license has been negotiated and he has some mini-whales to fund it.

    He spends the next 4 months detailing the build process from photos he took over the past two years, making it seem like he is making progress at an unfathomable rate.

    He reveals the machine (which was actually completed and ready to go months ago) at TPF. Amazes the big manufacturers and lands a job at Stern as a project manager (I mean if he can build that machine from scratch in 6 months what could he do with the usual 18 month timeline??).

    Thus he pulls himself out of bankruptcy and beers are had by all.

    The end.

    #2085 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes it is a long shot. But you would think they have to give the info to the boys themselves of a product proposition. I do not think they can just say NO, & be done for it. But what do I know about the license dance routine.

    Good lord John you're approaching this like a child. "give info to the boys" that's not how the world works! You have your answer, it's no, you're lucky they responded at all!

    Maybe you are procrastinating on purpose. Setting stupid timelines to delay the hard work ("diet starts tomorrow") Your timeline is INSANE (as all we "experts" said) and you've just wasted 2 weeks of it on something "we experts" told you, rightfully, was a waste of time.

    Skip to the GoFundMe dammit.

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    #2086 1 year ago

    Nothing is prebuilt, & no game hiding in the closet ready to come out. I will let TPB project die at the end of August 12, if there is no last minute Hail Mary. Then I will see if the offer is still there to build 1 or more Trailer Trash pinball games. There has to be a minimum of 1 mini whale at $10k US to move forward. There is a real pinball designer in play, & if it moves forward the design remains with that person to do with as they please.
    I personally do not see a Go Fund Me working to build a single game. The timeline remains September to March 1, 2023 for SXSW & TPF.

    #2087 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I personally do not see a Go Fund Me working to build a single game

    OK, now you really have thrown a shit pie in all of this. How is $10K from a go fund me and different than a $10K mini whale????

    #2088 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I personally do not see a Go Fund Me working to build a single game. The timeline remains September to March 1, 2023 for SXSW & TPF.

    Why not try the go fund me? You have nothing to lose. And maybe getting the project moving using go fund me will land your mini whales as they see progress. It is literally free money.

    Many smart people have pointed to the go fund me, maybe trust a little. You have the exposure, use it to YOUR advantage and get this project started!

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    #2089 1 year ago

    Why not get a job, earn 10K, and build a machine? Unemployment is at an all-time low, and you are only 58. Why do you need other people’s money to do this?

    #2090 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I personally do not see a Go Fund Me working to build a single game. The timeline remains September to March 1, 2023 for SXSW & TPF.

    GoFundMe is essentially charity (though in this case you'd probably have to pay tax on it)

    Sounds like you're down to just one whale (Iceman, doing it simply out of spite) Why owe a large chunk of money to 1 guy when multiple people will just GIVE IT TO YOU no strings attached?

    Don't waste another 6 days on TPB, the answer is no. Get your ass in gear with a GoFundMe or STFU.

    -3
    #2091 1 year ago

    Ben: I responded to the person about Go Fund Me. He can chime in here. I asked that the Real Industry Pinball Designer remain Private until I get their permission to go Public in a week. That person has done many games in their career. The project will remain Private until the Go Fund Me reaches $10k US minimum after any fees or deductions.

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    #2092 1 year ago

    Pinball license are often about brand awareness or the cool factor of pinball, as pinball, licenses make very little money relative to licensing for other things that sell in mass quantities with high margins.

    Often times the fees are barely enough to cover legal and staff expenses for the licensor. Any money Mattel made on the hot wheels license was closer to rounding error than meaningful revenue. They did it because it was cool, and because of Roger Sharpe. They want it to be cash flow positive, but if they want to make real money, pinball is not the product to license.

    With a third party is hired to handle the license, they are only going to pursue things that are profitable for both them and their clients, they are not likely going to value “coolness”, they may not even view it as something to bring to their client. Now if the client says “we want to be on a pinball machine”, they might pursue it, but their fee demands could still be unworkable for pinball, they are in it to make money. They will also work on their timeline not yours. Need something approved, might take a day, might take a week, might take longer.

    In addition they will always want a guaranteed minimum paid upfront, figure 25k minimum. NFL for example won’t even talk to someone without at least a 200k, multi year guarantee and proof you have generated those kind of sales numbers. At least those were the numbers 7 years ago, probably a lot higher now.

    So even if the TPB guys want to do it, odds are the license company is not going to just give it away cheap and lose money managing it. They will tell the boys it is not viable.

    In just the last few weeks, John has been moving dates as things have not gone as planned, now that’s pinball!

    #2093 1 year ago

    Just a brief side track here, sorry.

    The average price for NIB is 10K these days, plus or minus. Anybody on Pinside could come up with that. So how does that equate to being called a Mini-Whale in comparison to a $100,000 Whale?

    I mean, on scale (fish pun), $10K should equate to a fresh water fish at best, but not a Whale of any sort. So I will suggest a Northern Pike instead of a Mini Whale.

    Yeah, what you're really looking for here is a Piker.

    #2094 1 year ago
    Quoted from PantherCityPins:

    O He has already made a flipping white wood and has had it extensively play tested over the past two years. He has the artist and manufacturer already lined up and ready to go.
    The end.

    Yes! This is exactly what I was thinking! That would have been pretty cool, really.

    #2095 1 year ago

    Wow, did John actually acknowledge that maybe “the experts” were right and is now willing to do a gofundme?

    It’s way too hot for hell to have frozen over.

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    #2096 1 year ago

    Yes I do listen to the many experts here. Still have brain cells still working after the last 39 years of enjoying Beer. Could I afford a Roger Sharpe, NO. So I did it my way, & still give a faint ray of hope that TPB pin can come out of the fire. But the timeline has moved forward, & the show must go on. Trailer Trash is likely the pin coming out with hopefully adult sex appeal.

    #2097 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Yes I do listen to the many experts here. Still have brain cells still working after the last 39 years of enjoying Beer. Could I afford a Roger Sharpe, NO. So I did it my way, & still give a faint ray of hope that TPB pin can come out of the fire. But the timeline has moved forward, & the show must go on. Trailer Trash is likely the pin coming out with hopefully adult sex appeal.

    You haven't done anything your way you just put up a couple of stupid post hoping for some whales. What work have you actually done? None, we knew you wouldn't get the license, that wasn't even counted as getting anything done.

    And why can't you go back to work you're only 58 you'll sit around all day for the next 30 years?? Go back to work make some money.

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    #2098 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I did it my way, & still give a faint ray of hope that TPB pin can come out of the fire. But the timeline has moved forward, & the show must go on. Trailer Trash is likely the pin coming out with hopefully adult sex appeal.

    Good call selecting adult as the category for sex appeal.

    #2099 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Just a brief side track here, sorry.
    The average price for NIB is 10K these days, plus or minus. Anybody on Pinside could come up with that. So how does that equate to being called a Mini-Whale in comparison to a $100,000 Whale?
    I mean, on scale (fish pun), $10K should equate to a fresh water fish at best, but not a Whale of any sort. So I will suggest a Northern Pike instead of a Mini Whale.
    Yeah, what you're really looking for here is a Piker.

    Kim: The Big Whale & Mini Whale is because you likely need to be a real & serious gambler. Not a Piker even at almost the going rate of a Pro Pinball today nearly $10k US by some manufacturers on average. Given my history which is constantly thrown up here, most people think this is like going to the track & betting on the long shot to win. Time will tell very soon, or it could Die if a single mini whale cannot be found by September 1.

    #2100 1 year ago

    So sexy

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