In case anyone is interested. Here is a link to the Visual Pinball table I made: see edit...

It still needs a lot of work, but I expect that fits everyone's expectations on this thread. It's my first upload so if it doesn't work for some reason let me know.

You know something. As i was spending time with my family tonight and having a good time when i got something of a unsavoury message from an undisclosed person in regards to building it. So you know what i'm going to do? I'm definitely going to build it now. Do i want to dedicate a year to it? no. But i also don't think it's going to take a year with the kindness everyone has shown me here. Especially because i'd at least like to think i'm friends with alot of people here who are professionals in that regard.

Spite is always one of the best reasons to do something

Are you signed in?

Yup

Same thing with me.

I PM'd Avi. Maybe there is a moderation time? I don't know. I'm gonna leave it until tomorrow.

No biggie, might be something I'm doing. I did have a login tho (i.e. just didn't sign up).

Merry Christmas everyone! I took down the video due to the unpopular latter half part. Sorry folks! I stepped a bit out of line

You are up late. Are you waiting for Santa??

Waiting to hear a pinball machine smash down through the chimney!..... or not

Who did you share your half beer with? Hopefully a good friend on Christmas eve

I buy my own presents...that way I get what I want!
I gifted myself a Bally paragon, but I need to go through a couple things on it.

Well. now that we're acquainted you'll be able to purchase me a pinball as a present next year LOL.
In seriousness. I've never played Bally Paragon but i've seen it before. It's another one of those gorgeous pinballs from the late 70s that i'd love to own. That and Centuar. i don't particularly like playing centaur only because of the floatiness of it. but it's a beautiful game.

Floatiness is going to be more of an individual game and setup thing, you can definitely tune up and setup a Centaur so that it doesn't play floaty.

At the apartment this xmas morning doing the laundry. Then I will head to the workshop for food & drink. Got a call from the game store owner wondering if I was still at the shop after 8 pm. Seems like the idiots at Amazon left a box by their door, kiss that one goodbye! Yes there seemed to be some unsavory pm 's between the coach & Avi xmas eve. I tried to calm the coach down, get with the xmas spirit of good things to all men. But who knows, Grinch, or the giving spirit. Stay tuned for maybe more shocking news over the holidays, or not, or it DIES!

Welcome to the club, Avi. It's not an exclusive club but I'm pretty sure we can fit you in.

Uff… harsh ending. I’m not sure this fits the spirit of playful banter. A little dark.

I hope nobody looking for any life advice or the definition of an alcoholic comes across this thread

John, wait a minute, coach is the one who sent the "unsavory" message to Avi??

Lol! An interesting twist to the Tale of Two Whitewoods. I can’t say I don’t blame Iceman for feeling negative about this. After all it is his several thousand dollars that got everything this far. I need to say this again. SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS. American cash money. For a charcuterie board from Pinball Life. Merry friggen Christmas…

Now all that said Ice you really should have reigned the mighty Greatwich in. Not by stifling his internet presence but by actually coaching this build and not just stroking his ego like an All-Star because he ain’t…

Maybe I misinterpreted Avi talking shit about GWJ as I was catching up on the thread? Then again, this whole thing has become something out of the Twilight Zone!

John was the one who encouraged Avi to do the original Norris design to drum up some more interest. Not what I envisioned

Go for it guys. I’m getting out of the middle of all this.

GWJ and Avi can do it together. Somebody can come up with the $$$ for the parts and I’ll donate the funds to charity

Merry Xmas!

This was the part I never understood. There was a finished CAD ready to go. Instead, it was printed out on paper and mounted to a board and modifications were made. No thought to how one gets those mods back into CAD to cut a real CNC playfield.

I’ll liken this to what I do in electronics. Long ago I breadboarded everything, with a rats nest of wires. These days I come up with the design, put it into EasyEDA, send it off to JLCPCB, even having them build most of it, and I have a testable board in a week.

The CAD should have been modified to John’s initial liking and then made via CNC. Way faster than whatever he is doing. Even if he had a flipping whitewood of sorts it would still have to get back into CAD and tested via CNC.

I know I know, I am asking for logic after 12 beers. But the thought process is so foreign to me it’s just baffling.

Is it too much? i'll take it down. I was kind of in a dark humour mood last night with all that nonsense going on in the DM's

You JUST NOW realized this thread is out of the twilight zone? Very astute!

Lame you are pulling out of this with your couch money, but your choice

Merry Christmas!

Yeah, it definitely misses the mark..

With how all this has played out it’s time to go to the all in “community build”

It was fun while it lasted.

Sounds like he is using this "original layout" as an excuse to off-ramp and bail.

GWJ has taken 0 input from anyone.. and to your chagrin, apparently none from you as well.

Have you actually followed along?? None of this should be a surprise to you.

Sorry. that was wholeheartedly my fault. i'll refrain from doing that from now on. My apologies everyone that was extremely stupid to post.

John likely should have had the reins held a bit tighter. On his own - he's a hot mess but it's probably too late at this point.

So where does this go from here? Hope it continues in some manner.

You think I just now realized it?

I wanted to give GWJ the opportunity and this is where we are at now. It’s a fun project. I wasn’t looking for the next master pin.

Can still end up doing something charitable out of this.

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas! And Merry Christmas everyone else!

Do you feel that since there's a lack of progress it will never get done and it's just a waste of time?

Uh oh. Looks like John's unlimited free beer card just expired.

That is too bad. I really was hoping to see: Crowd sourced original Norris whitewood vs Coach and GWJ's maniacally altered whitewood.

I still feel like both can exist and move forward, but of course, it isn't my money being fronted.

I tend to believe this was the excuse he was looking for to GTFO.

Wouldn’t you say that is the consensus of 99.99% of the opinion here?

If it’s at “2% complete” it’s a long ways from the goal line.

I’ve sent John $6k to this point. I like John, he is a good guy but the focus should probably go into the “community build” now.

Its clear what your expectations were by this point. But from the outside looking in the leash could have been a whole lot shorter. John clearly does not perform well with no accountability. Hell he barely performs with it. As a coach I would put my own goalposts up.
I hope maybe you take this route over bailing because this will literally die on the vine. Just like John predicted…

I don’t need any excuses Kojak. It is what it is now.

Yeah no doubt. That’s on me. It’s not like he wasn’t getting a constant barrage of suggestions, good ones, daily. I didn’t/don’t want to micro manage something like this. Don’t have the time or “want to”. Just meant to be a fun project.

Most of the attention/ enthusiasm seem to have shifted to Avi's build. I'm really interested to see how it turns out. The kid's a hard worker and managed to stay focused despite John's (lack of) efforts.