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Trailer Trash-the Pin. The GWJ Chronicles

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    #7851 1 year ago
    Quoted from cogito:

    To all homebrewers (and professionals) reading this and bitterly wondering why this thread is getting all the views: this a spectacle for all the wrong reasons. Keep on keeping on, you all rock!

    Launch the fireworks!

    Quoted from DBLM:

    I hate seeing the questionable food. I hate seeing the bad decisions and choices. And I know on top of it all, that I should not care but still do to an extent. I would love to see John get a win and make a game. But I know that nothing that I or anybody else says or does will change anything. Because gravity and interia are a bitch.

    I am 100% with you

    #7852 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    As people can see new playfields are about double or more than the $500 US I was doing with shipping included.

    Yes, but they get their playfields within a reasonable time frame.

    #7853 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I have stated many times my City Pension of $29k CDN or about $23k US for myself & to support my wife is deposited on 1st of the month. Had less than $5 in my bank last night. Yes I like to gamble a few dollars, $20 lost over 4 hours drinking beer, & the poor jukebox did not get a $5 donation. I had fun being entertained not only by myself, but the serious gamblers (everyone else) betting 50 cents to $2.50 a spin on the VLT's. WMS would be happy gambling is king, their stuff is at the Casino.

    You get 29k a month and you're broke. That's like $350,000 a year!

    You're doing something very wrong. You should be rich.

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    #7854 1 year ago

    Rent free

    #7855 1 year ago

    AND with markdown food and riding the bus! I wish I got 29k a month. I'd be super flush with cash.

    #7856 1 year ago

    John, you may have mentioned this early on but is your wife retired to? I am still hoping to see the game at TPF.

    #7857 1 year ago
    Quoted from TAVsPlace:

    John, you may have mentioned this early on but is your wife retired to? I am still hoping to see the game at TPF.

    Apparently because she kills a 36 suitcase in about three days. She's either retired or drinking at work.

    #7858 1 year ago
    Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Correct me if I'm wrong (though I do not think that I am): Despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, there has been no formal acknowledgment that things are not on track or that plans have changed.

    If anything, reaffirmed!!

    #7859 1 year ago
    Quoted from Beechwood:

    And those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    Isnt this why we are here? A well meaning pinball tech with a somewhat successful, but ultimately failed(A for effort!) Playfield refurbishing biz. Probably getting ripped off.

    And 1/10th whale Coach err Iceman. A well funded and well meaning pinhead who doesnt mind putting up his $$$ and seems to usually find the failures.(A for effort). He has also provided years of entertainment and info in various threads.

    I say carry on gentlemen!

    #7860 1 year ago

    So we’re $3k into the build. Can I get another look at that $3000 almost bare plywood whitewood with no graphics, no electronics, and no programming? Are the pop bumpers made of gold?

    #7861 1 year ago
    Quoted from FrankJ:

    So we’re $3k into the build.

    $4k

    #7862 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinbub:

    You get 29k a month and you're broke. That's like $350,000 a year!
    You're doing something very wrong. You should be rich.

    If memory serves, gwj supports both his wife and himself on his $29k per year pension. I would tell gwj to try and save up a bit of money for the unexpected but I know it will fall on deaf ears. I would tell him again to stop wasting money on slots. He can’t afford it and it’s a complete waste of money. But damn, those deaf ears again…..

    #7863 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinbub:

    Apparently because she kills a 36 suitcase in about three days. She's either retired or drinking at work.

    Let's not walk that line of derogatory comments about someone's wife/family member, even if John himself posts the information.
    She was a nice person when I met them 10+ years ago at a show in Florida. I will hold John to his promises, but she has obviously put up with a lot of pinball crap for decades and probably deserves a medal.

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    #7864 1 year ago
    Quoted from ReadyPO:

    I am glad you did not bring up Dave Fix's name since Dave requested you do not bring up his name.
    Dave, rest assured your anonymity will be preserved.

    This video about David Fix just popped up on my YouTube.

    Pretty interesting…….

    Cheers,

    #7865 1 year ago
    Quoted from cliff_clavin:

    If memory serves, gwj supports both his wife and himself on his $29k per year pension. I would tell gwj to try and save up a bit of money for the unexpected but I know it will fall on deaf ears. I would tell him again to stop wasting money on slots. He can’t afford it and it’s a complete waste of money. But damn, those deaf ears again…..

    His post says 29k a MONTH, on the first. I knew it wasn't right but I pointed it out because sometimes drinking 8-10 beers, on the daily, fucks up your head. Johns doctor is not concerned, according to him, (but is a piece of shit for not being concerned).

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    #7866 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinbub:

    Apparently because she kills a 36 suitcase in about three days. She's either retired or drinking at work.

    Why ya gotta be a douche bag man?

    He said the monthly portion of his $29k is deposited on the 1st of the month. How can you interpret that as him claiming to make $350k+ a year? Seriously, whatcha smoking?!

    #7867 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinbub:

    His post says 29k a MONTH, on the first. I knew it wasn't right but I pointed it out because sometimes drinking 8-10 beers, on the daily, fucks up your head. Johns doctor is not concerned, according to him, (but is a piece of shit for not being concerned).

    The drinking can really mess up the memory. Awhile back I dated a girl who like to imbibe. Not nearly as much as GWJ but it really messed up her short term memory. It was quite worrisome…..

    Cheers,

    Edit: No matter what his dr says, GWJ only hears what he wants to hear. Who knows, maybe his DR has mentioned it. Either way, we are each individually responsible for our health…..

    #7868 1 year ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    A well meaning pinball tech with a somewhat successful, but ultimately failed(A for effort!) Playfield refurbishing biz.

    I would not say failed, before he sold the 'biz' a while back he had, finally, after 9 years, got the process down and the pfs looked about 95% perfect. There have been more recent posts about some minor hole alignment issues, but that has happened with almost all pf repro companies. And his backglass repros were perfected way before the end and looked great. The issue over time was always that he announced start of a project, and took $$$ for pfs, without having ANY process for production of those items. I will say that 9 years ago $500 shipped for a repro pf was a good deal if it was on the shelf finished and ready to ship.

    #7869 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    Why ya gotta be a douche bag man?

    Stating facts. If you can READ, it says 29k a MONTH. Johns post, not my interpretation. Don't worry, you're still the official douche bag in this thread. Nobody's challenging your douchey status.

    #7870 1 year ago

    Yeah, but the last $1000 in parts has not arrived. The playfield only has $3k in parts on it.

    #7871 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I have stated many times my City Pension of $29k CDN or about $23k US for myself & to support my wife is deposited on 1st of the month.

    For the reading or memory impaired.

    You could interpret this as $29k CDN being deposited on the 1st of the month, but I think we knew what he meant.

    #7872 1 year ago
    Quoted from FrankJ:

    Yeah, but the last $1000 in parts has not arrived. The playfield only has $3k in parts on it.

    Much more reasonable!

    Joking aside, a full board set and power supplies can easily set you back $600-$1000, none of which we’ve seen yet of course due to the snail pace whitewood build.

    #7873 1 year ago

    I don’t really doubt $4k has been spent for parts. Granted he could have probably saved several hundred by bundling orders….but pinball, and especially homebrew, is expensive.

    It’s not hard to go over to Pinball Life and start piecing this info together for yourself.

    #7874 1 year ago

    I'm sorry, but Mrs. Greatwich is a saint. C'mon!

    #7875 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    I don’t really doubt $4k has been spent for parts. Granted he could have probably saved several hundred by bundling orders….but pinball, and especially homebrew, is expensive.
    It’s not hard to go over to Pinball Life and start piecing this info together for yourself.

    IF, and I do mean a big IF, this somehow ever gets finished, Coach may still come out ahead. The killer cost so far avoided is labor. Even taking John’s meager pension, if he was working on this full time as a real business, that should be charged out as $90K a year alone as contracted labor. Of course so far we’ve pretty much seen you get what you pay for… a box of parts and not much real labor to go with it.

    We keep knocking on 1/3 of time gone. But what is really being eaten into here is time needed for everyone else’s contribution. Art guy needs a finished design to do the art. Cabinet guy the same. CNC shop needs lead time to get it cut. And mostly all this has to come together for the programmer to try to bang out any code.

    It would seem easy for GWJ to spend at least another two months minimum on finishing what he calls a whitewood before he can hand over to his programmer to do something. I pity what the time crunch that guy is going to be placed under.

    There seems to be a mistaken assumption that everyone else in this project will somehow move at warp speed so John can mosey along and take his time, an hour here, an hour there. Of course maybe that is just laying the grounds for blame of others when this doesn’t get finished. I can see him saying “I gave him the whitewood a week before the show, I can’t believe the code is not finished yet”. Or better yet “We would have finished this on time if not for than damn Fast Pinball who promised a board by Pin Expo but didn’t come thru.”

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    #7876 1 year ago

    Every couple weeks someone posts about their self-realization that John is a mess of a person

    A lot of people joined the ride for the schadenfreude of watching someone talk big before struggling with the most simple tasks of a complex project. Some of them are now dealing with the uncomfortable fact that they are around to kick someone while they’re down; someone they feel sympathetic towards after getting to know them a bit.

    John is no Robert Mueller, Andrew Heighway, or similar. He’s an alright dude dealing with alcoholism, depression, and an obsession with pinball (something I think a few people here could relate to). So the fuck what he wants some attention in his life…

    #7877 1 year ago

    One other thing, the idea that John is being “taken advantage of” by operators is a big jump to me. Namely in that seeing the means that John operates as a contractor for playfields and homebrews, I don’t see how you’re taking advantage of him as a pinball tech… nothing that slow moving is advantageous

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    #7878 1 year ago

    The one good thing about this thread is I finally get some understanding of why some people just can’t seem to get their shit together.

    I used to wonder why, if I’m doing something, why isn’t everyone else at my level? I mean, I’m no super genius but I manage to hold down a decent job and make sure everything is taken care of, and still manage to enjoy my hobbies. Isn’t everyone like this?

    Then I read this thread and I finally see - some people just have no drive and ignore any advice or chance to change. Instead it’s always someone else’s fault, or they give in to the easy way, or they have zero forethought and just live in the moment and are continually surprised when it doesn’t work out.

    Some people simply don’t have the capacity for some reason. Very eye opening for me to see it from this perspective.

    #7879 1 year ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    So here we are at Nov 1. 33% of the build time has come and gone. I do not need to state the obvious.
    What I do want to say is what this has really become. This is no longer about a pinball build, that is actually the secondary story at this point. This has become a daily, or almost daily blog of one man's daily life. We all know the routine, buses, shopping at Sobey's, cooking at the shop, drinking beer, keeping a wife happy every few days with a 36 pack of beer, and a few minutes of actual work on a pinball machine that someone else is paying for. On top of that, working on everyone else's machines are a priority.
    This is not a joke on any of us. This is a cruel joke that John unconsciously is playing on himself. There is a complete disconnect between the knowledge of how a pinball machine works vs having the knowledge to execute an actual build. This IS the exact same scenarios with John's playfields that went from promises of months to years and years before paid customers got their products. There were lessons to be learned, but once again that disconnect has reared it's ugly head. We are $4K deep here, and there is really nothing here to see. Does anyone else here see that the $10K budget is most likely on the VERY short side?
    We are all witnessing a troubling look at me. The name dropping, the stupid breadcrumbs, the daily beer counts are all of a person screaming for attention. That in itself is very sad. While the products that John eventually put out, the playfields and the backlglasses, were of quality work, the bottom line is they were all financial disasters. It did not put him in the spotlight of the other pinball replacement part manufacturers. He was actually the butt of many jokes. So now this ill conceived Trailer Park Boys machine was going to be his savior, his shining moment, finally at the level of the others in the pinball industry. Well, we all saw how that went and how many jumped at the $100K whale opportunity.
    John finally lands our infamous Iceman as his mini whale. Ice has many stories of his own with upstart pinball builders that have not gone well. The machine has gone from a STERN pro style machine to a STERN style solid state era machine with a 6 month build time. Professionals in the business pointed and laughed and they have all but excused themselves from this thread. 60 days have passed since we were all told that the hardcore work on this build was going to begin. What do we have? Nothing that would suggest anything hardcore has been accomplished.
    On top of that, seeing the amount of work John does for other people all in the name of "having space to work in", I firmly believe John is being taken advantage of.
    I have personally met John at Pinball Expo. He is a VERY happy go lucky guy. He is also a nice guy, but being a nice person doesn't mean you have what it takes for whatever. As others have suggested, most people are in the positions they are in because that is exactly where they put themselves. There are times that being a fly on the wall would most likely generate much disbelief. I cannot view things the way he does. It's so oddly different that it becomes appealing to those of us following all of this.
    What does it all mean? It means John has set himself up for personal failure. Along the way it has also become sad. The desire for attention in the pinball world, the drinking, the self deprecation over his poverty level and more and more I think a poor relationship with his wife. I feel for the guy, but at the same time wonder how someone can go through life with such blinders?
    What is it we are all waiting for at this point? It's not for a machine to be built, we all know better. It's the next hammer to a computer, the next paneling playfield dropped and smashed, it's the next grey ham or expired funeral sandwiches, the next 12 plus beer count, the next off the wall comment that has nothing to do with anything or the next kick of the can down the road because it's impossible for him to work on more than 1 thing towards the build at a time.
    So yep, I will carry on, keep reading this thread and wait for the next head shaking moment to happen. Why not? I have 3 months in on all of this. Might as well see how it ends. I predict, not well.

    You are over thinking to much ... it's all going to according to master plan
    .... or not and it dies

    No profound analysis is going to tell us anything we don't already know nor change GWJ's life course and actions.
    Nobody makes changes until they are ready no matter how many people try to help
    He's enjoying trying to make a machine and being the center of attention .. so be it

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    #7880 1 year ago
    Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

    You are over thinking to much ... it's all going to according to master plan
    .... or not and it dies
    No profound analysis is going to tell us anything we don't already know nor change GWJ's life course and actions.
    Nobody makes changes until they are ready no matter how many people try to help
    He's enjoying trying to make a machine and being the center of attention .. so be it

    The wall of text comes off as a self-indulgent rant. There is nothing that hasn't been discussed before except now everyone is making assumptions about John's personal life....some of it is definitely crossing the line. I hope this thread moves back to more silly entertainment and less judging/finger pointing.

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    #7881 1 year ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    Every couple weeks someone posts about their self-realization that John is a mess of a person
    A lot of people joined the ride for the schadenfreude of watching someone talk big before struggling with the most simple tasks of a complex project. Some of them are now dealing with the uncomfortable fact that they are around to kick someone while they’re down; someone they feel sympathetic towards after getting to know them a bit.

    John is no Robert Mueller, Andrew Heighway, or similar. He’s an alright dude dealing with alcoholism, depression, and an obsession with pinball (something I think a few people here could relate to). So the fuck what he wants some attention in his life…

    Again I will state I am not a alcoholic, not suffering from mental illness, & I have a great Doctor all these years that is highly respected. My meager pension is deposited early in the morning of the 1st. Until that time I enjoy eating cheap food, drinking beer, & throwing a few dollars nickel betting. I get to hear the endless advice of how I should be betting 50 cents to $2.50 a spin on the electronic VLT gambling machines. I played one yesterday that had a chair against it with no money for 30 minutes. 2 gamblers went crazy, & they got a response back from me. They made sure their signs went up, money in the VLT, & chair against the machine. Made me stay longer & drink 7 beer for all day happy hour. My wife has not worked part time in 15 years, & her health is not the best. Her enjoyment is daily Bud beers, & she is happy enough with the cards dealt her in life.

    Got into the shop & the Fedex driver was already here. Too many different drivers, & you cannot trust the tracking info in my City. When the box arrives I will let you know. There is a plan in place for the build, & I do know what is involved with it. Coach is enjoying his other thread posts & interests. The whitewood when ready will be tested until the printed & cleared playfield is ready before xmas. Then all the parts will be transferred over. There is another milestone to meet, or not! Had $1 off cheap sweet & sour pork with rice & tiny veg. Ate all the good stuff & a few pigeons/birds got the crap rice afterwards. Free entertainment, also got to see the tents of homeless people, regular beggars all over the street, & how they act in life. Also the aircraft carrier & its fleet set sail on Tuesday, & the port is clear this morning. Still nice weather here on the east coast, & the pop machine is on.

    #7882 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Again I will state I am not a alcoholic, ..... I enjoy eating cheap food, drinking beer, .... Made me stay longer & drink 7 beer for all day happy hour.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Just got back to the shop after a good start of drinking beer. Even the last bar tender said wow, you usually leave after 4 or 5 beers. .... So far 8 beer is the count, & the pop machine has been on all day.

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    $40 in beer at 2 bars is the total today,

    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    4 hours drinking beer

    You do you ... but

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    #7883 1 year ago

    I've got some bad news, if you're throwing down 4-10+ beers a day, it isn't "recreational drinking".

    But, that is a discussion that is beyond the scope of pinball, and this thread.

    #7884 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    The whitewood when ready will be tested until the printed & cleared playfield is ready before xmas. Then all the parts will be transferred over. There is another milestone to meet, or not!

    Are you sure you want to do that John ? If you miss that deadline then this would imply not all is going to plan, unless the plan was to state a deadline and then miss it.

    #7885 1 year ago

    Seems appropriate for this thread.

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    #7886 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    Until that time I enjoy eating cheap food, drinking beer, & throwing a few dollars nickel betting. I get to hear the endless advice of how I should be betting 50 cents to $2.50 a spin on the electronic VLT gambling machines. I played one yesterday that had a chair against it with no money for 30 minutes. 2 gamblers went crazy, & they got a response back from me.

    John, you do realize that playing these machines 5 cents at a time is a complete losing proposition? The odds to win anything are calculated at max coinage played. That is why everyone tries to lecture you. You will never come out ahead. Not only that you are wasting gaming space and pissing off the people who really want to gamble.

    You would be better off spending those nickels on decent food or dare I say BEER. The odds are more in your favor at a wishing well tossing a nickel at a time.

    #7887 1 year ago
    Quoted from Capn12:

    I've got some bad news, if you're throwing down 4-10+ beers a day, it isn't "recreational drinking".
    But, that is a discussion that is beyond the scope of pinball, and this thread.

    You must be new here. Suffice it to say from 100 pages of this thread that his doctor doesn’t think it’s a problem and people in Halifax drink lots of beer. While it has been suggested by other doctors via pinside that it probably is a problem, and perhaps he should find a new doctor, well ……. John is living his best life and we just need to leave him alone to his own life choices.

    #7888 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dee-Bow:

    Why ya gotta be a douche bag man?
    He said the monthly portion of his $29k is deposited on the 1st of the month. How can you interpret that as him claiming to make $350k+ a year? Seriously, whatcha smoking?!

    Lol why are you so bad at reading?

    #7889 1 year ago
    Quoted from Capn12:

    I've got some bad news, if you're throwing down 4-10+ beers a day, it isn't "recreational drinking".
    But, that is a discussion that is beyond the scope of pinball, and this thread.

    Well he did just go 4 days in a row without any. Seems he does detox at the end of the month or from time to time...
    Why do we keep beating that dead horse and why don't we just let John live life as he chooses? It's his life and he is the decider...

    #7890 1 year ago

    taking into account everything we know today, would it have been better if two months ago no one had agreed to commit 10K to this project in the first place?

    #7891 1 year ago

    I drink beer for enjoyment, not some alcoholic dependency. In Canada there is a huge wait list for a GP (Doctor). Getting ready to take the few buses to Fedex, & pay the tax for the shipment. They are located near the same brewery, so I will likely have a beer there. Been de soldering some old light lenses to free up space by my electric grill. For all our bars there are numerous VLT's waiting for the high rollers, they just get pissed off thinking they are the King Pins of the gambling world. Machines are meant for the bottom feeders or poverty betters also.

    #7892 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    For all our bars there are numerous VLT's waiting for the high rollers, they just get pissed off thinking they are the King Pins of the gambling world. Machines are meant for the bottom feeders or poverty betters also.

    Right, but do you realize you could be doing much better use with the money than those VLT's that take your money?

    #7893 1 year ago
    Quoted from greenhornet:

    taking into account everything we know today, would it have been better if two months ago no one had agreed to commit 10K to this project in the first place?

    The coach did & will get his machine in March 2023. Texas party time, either at my brothers house or TPF. I still remember TPF & Haggis trying to throw their first game together. That was a good show, & volunteered for the load in. Had a good time directing traffic, city cops had a good laugh.

    #7894 1 year ago
    Quoted from greenhornet:

    taking into account everything we know today, would it have been better if two months ago no one had agreed to commit 10K to this project in the first place?

    If it had been anyone other than the iceman, I would have to say yes.

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    #7895 1 year ago

    Nickel gambling is entertainment for John. As someone who is self-described as unlucky, he's having fun passing the time. No worse than popping loonies into a pinball machine (where the prospect of no return is guaranteed).

    We might recoil at some of John's fiscal and lifestyle choices, yet, would we be willing to put all of our own choices under full scrutiny? There is some irony here when we are spending thousands of dollars on pinball machines.

    #7896 1 year ago
    Quoted from dr_nybble:

    Nickel gambling is entertainment for John. As someone who is self-described as unlucky, he's having fun passing the time. No worse than popping loonies into a pinball machine (where the prospect of no return is guaranteed).
    We might recoil at some of John's fiscal and lifestyle choices, yet, would we be willing to put all of our own choices under full scrutiny? There is some irony here when we are spending thousands of dollars on pinball machines.

    Unfortunately life is filled with gray ham, uneven hot dogs, $1 meals and nickel bets, for all of us.

    John is living the dream!

    #7897 1 year ago

    Lets get real about the doctor's drinking approval during a once or twice a year visit.

    Their questions or questionnaire usually consist of:

    Describe your drinking habits:
    1. Don't Drink
    2. Light Drinker
    3. Moderate Drinker
    4. Heavy Drinker

    (5. I'm in denial)

    Which do you think GWJ admits to?

    #7898 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Lets get real about the doctor's drinking approval during a once or twice a year visit.
    Their questions or questionnaire usually consist of:
    Describe your drinking habits:
    1. Don't Drink
    2. Light Drinker
    3. Moderate Drinker
    4. Heavy Drinker
    (5. I'm in denial)
    Which do you think GWJ admits to?

    I've often seen average number of drinks per day, per week.

    For beechwood or anyone still tracking, best guesses for John's numbers?

    #7899 1 year ago
    Quoted from dr_nybble:

    There is some irony here when we are spending thousands of dollars on pinball machines.

    The concern isn't the amount, it is relevant to income. If you have to finance a pinball purchase, that may be a good indicator that maybe you don't have the income to support it. On the other hand, if the decision is to vacation in Europe this year, or stay in the states and buy a NIB, well that is a different story.

    John's income is approximately $1,916 US a month which after food, shelter and transportation doesn't allow for a lot of discretionary spending. $20 a week in slot represents about 4% of that income. Honestly, to me doesn't sound bad at all for an entertainment budget, and so far that sounds like it is about all the entertainment John gets (besides drinking beer, and the cost of that relative to his income is a different story).

    John, I thought you mentioned somewhere in addition to your pension from the City, you would get the OAS at 65 or maybe it was CPP/QPP? is this true and does that add to your existing pension?

    #7900 1 year ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I drink beer for enjoyment, not some alcoholic dependency. .... They are located near the same brewery, so I will likely have a beer there.

    Sorry, not convinced ... but like I said, you do you

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