I look forward to my MMR LE Black along with anything else in the top 20 he can remake. CV, TOTAN, seem doable and MB, AFM, AF, & TZ would be great. $8k a pop would be fine for me if the quality is there. My biggest reason for buying a NIB of these machines is the modern circuit technology vs the head full of old boards and connectors. $8k is reasonable when you consider (if it is well engineered and built) that the game should be much less problematic.

I like what JJP is doing as well, but it does concern me a bit with new designs not knowing about problems that might crop up such as play field damage areas, etc.

Heck, I even like my $3k NIB Stern Monopoly. I know many dog on that game, but it is a solid game that anyone can play and requires little maintenance. I like my machines to look perfect and ready to play. A lot harder to do with a 18-30 year old machine. Some people love to tinker and that is cool also - buy an old machine.

Have no idea when they will post a new game, but I do believe that the announcement will not be out until the game is in production. Like I said, I really like the MMR. The quality appears to be there and the electronics makes sense. I do know that I will not be buying TOTAN or CV until I see what pin is next. If a pin can be remade with newer technology and still have quality builds it makes sense to have a new one. If it takes 5 years to get the ones I want then that is fine. Meanwhile, would like to see more new games as well from other manufacturers.

Not by anyone associated with PPS. My guess is that they would do the low hanging fruit like TOTAN, TOM, or CV since they do not require a license. The CV is low production and would sell easily I would imagine. If they did one machine a year that would be a nice pace.

Pinball was all but dead in the commercial market in 1998. I watched a routed CV bring almost $7k on eBay Sunday. The have a cool factor in the way they look, the lower DMD, etc.

I agree with that 100%. They knew MMR would be a huge success. They should have just waited until the machines were ready to ship and then announced. They would have sold out immediately and then could have sold non-LEs as well. I think they have learned from the mistake. If it takes $5 million in upfront capital to fund projects they need to find it first.

I think AFM would be great, but not sure it is low hanging fruit since they may have to deal with licensing issues due to the movie?

I did not know that. I have never played that machine, but hear it is very good. Then, yes, I suppose it would be low hanging fruit for sure.

The color would be nice, but not a huge deal to me. I know a lot of people would like to see it though.

Well, units are shipping and so far the problems have been few. The biggest being the slightly damaged slingshot area. A couple of sound issues and video tearing which I hear is rectified. I guess I understand the concerns, but the griping about things that just are seems a little old now. If you don't like the way things are going then don't buy the next one. Rick's biggest screw up was taking pre-orders. How long did WOZ take to come out? Where is the Hobbit? This stuff all takes time I guess. At least he is making good on the product and is delivering instead of just walking off with the money. I'm happy it is taking some time. I have a better chance that my machine will have less probability of flaws that are being discovered. It's all good.

It appears to me that if you don't like the remake then you probably do not like the original. I have been told by people that own both that there is no difference in play or construction quality. I'm sure there are some upset people that own the original that paid $15k that are not happy a new one can be had for $8k with LEDs, shaker, and simple/modern electronics.

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For the benefit of those that have not received the machine, could you please post those settings?

I have a black JJP order paid in full in January. looking forward to it!

I like the stainless over the gold. I have a black on order since I bought someone else's spot that had black. Stainless or black is fine either way with me.

I'm not sure why there is a lag for different colors. We are just talking legs, side rails, and lock down bar, correct? It seems like all those parts could be made and waiting and just assemble them as they were paid for in that order. Then again, I know little about production practices and schedules.

Yeah, it has been painful. I think they are cranking them out pretty good right now. If they can get out a couple hundred per month it will be wrapped up soon.

I'm doing the same thing. My box truck is ready to go.

Let me know when it is ready. If it is ready when my Black MMr is ready I will pick yours up in my box truck and drop it off to you on my way back to Auburn, IN. Will save you the shipping cost and possible damage. You can ride along with me if you like.

And shaker motor along with choice of colors.

What will your attorney do other than send you a bill for $400 or so? If you want your money back all you have to do is ask. I do agree that the wait is ridiculous, but attorney talk will just cost you more money. Your letter does nothing but generate revenue for him. If you sue JJP you will do so in his state and that will cost you about $3k in fees and you will lose the case and your money. Your case will not even be heard until your machine is shipped. Letters from attorneys are laughable most of the time.

Exactly why I am picking mine up at CGC. Too long of a wait to wait another 6 months to get it fixed. Sending pinball machines by freight is about as precise and careful as having incisions by your surgeon done with a chainsaw.

LOL, I got the same email. I was excited to get an email from them thinking my black MMr was ready. Nope, Hobbit for sale along with WOZ.

I might sell my Black Trim LE spot as I am likely moving soon and will be selling my entire collection. I paid in full January of this year to JJP. From what I can tell the black trim seems to be the most desired, but then again, everyone is different. If anyone wants it PM me. I would sell it for the $8000 I paid for it. You would pay JJP and JJP would refund me.

The question then becomes: Did your distributor pay CGC for the game when you paid in full or are they waiting to pay CGC as their bank account sees fit?

Why is PPS "deactivated?"

OK, but couldn't he just have ignored the thread? I assume "deactivated" means that he will not post on anything.

So, does that lead to any indication that MMR is done?

I'm not sure why the licensing holder would remove himself completely from the largest pinball forum. I can understand why he may withdraw from a conversation, but not leave entirely.

I sent payment in full Today through PPS as I was told by Rick that there were machines done and ready to ship, but customers not paying in full, so I took one. Supposedly anywhere from 2-4 weeks shipped to my door. We will see. BTW, I decided to go with stainless since black seems to be a problem to get right and I just don't like the gold.

Supposedly, the recent batch of powder coating on the black did not pass QC, so the games did not get produced. When I ordered Rick said stainless was on the line and I believe he said stainless and gold was on pallets ready to ship, but no payments from customers. I originally ordered black January 2015, but sold that spot after I thought I was moving. I later learned that I was about #60 in line to receive from JJP for black, so when I reordered I went with stainless. I think I like the classic look better anyway.

LOL, I just ordered a GB LE. I had a MMR black on order and canceled it. I then decided to get back in and paid for a stainless MMR. It will be interesting to see which one arrives first.

Keep the gold trim and be bold and do the new trim in Purple or something crazy.

Who was your distributor for the stainless? I have one through PPS and supposedly mine was #3 on the assembly line a few weeks ago.

I don't think stainless will help you. I was #3 to be shipped a stainless 3 weeks ago. As far as I can tell mine has not been built yet. For some reason it appears nothing (or very little) is being built right now. I am not sure why, but I have heard that CGC is waiting for payments from MMR distributors or customers of those distributors. While that may be partially true, mine is paid in full along with many others, so that cannot be the full story. Maybe GB is so popular they have pushed MMR aside? Maybe QC problems with more than just black trim? Hard to say for sure.

Wow, serial #985. Highest number I have seen. Sure would like to get the message that my Stainless is shipping. Maybe I will get 1000, lol.

I have a paid in full stainless through PPS and it still is not delivered.

That is good for you, but really upsets me. I have had a paid in full stainless LE on order from PPS and have not received mine. It will likely be my last CGC new machine.

Just received a call from R&L Carriers that my LE is shipping tomorrow afternoon. I will post my thoughts about the insert quality, etc.

You get a Shaker and a real wood cabinet bottom from what I understand. Other than that it is just the LE status with plaques.

I do not like the gold trim, so I ordered a stainless and would probably get a standard if it was between a used Gold LE and a new standard.

SS 835 is here. Came undamaged and looks good from what I can see. Glad I went with stainless. Classic look. The cabinet art is very nice. Will report on the inserts when I get it in the basement tonight.

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Game set up and operates perfectly.I have not fine leveled the playfield yet, but everything works as it should. Very high quality build from what I can see.

As far as the insert ink goes: Yes, it is too light, especially the lower inserts. The inserts for "jackpot, lock, etc." that are "3D" are plenty dark and show up great, but the rest of them are too light and the print almost looks brown. After seeing the game in person I can tell you without a doubt that CGC claiming that the LEDs are the problem does not pass the smell test. It is not a deal breaker to me as the rest of the machine is exceptionally nice, but I wish they would just say "yeah, the ink is too light and we will do better next time" instead of making up false stories about the LEDs being too bright.

A few things I will be changing right away:

1. The backbox speaker trim. It is cheap plastic and looks bare without the Williams logo.
2. Better speakers and hooking up the Polk PSW 10 subwoofer.
3. Undercab lighting to brighten it up a bit.

Other than that, I really like the machine - especially being stainless. It has the classic look.

Now, I just need my GBLE to put next to it!

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I just wish they would say "yes, the inserts are lighter than they should be and we will do better next time." I like my MMr and the inserts are not a deal killer, but I probably won't buy another title from CGC due to their denial that the inserts are sub par and offering (for a fee) a fix that does not correct the issue. After viewing it in person it is evident that the ink is simply too thin. My other games with VERY bright aftermarket LEDs and others with factory LEDs have very dark insert ink that is very readable.

With all this said, the machine is very nice quality. I don't see it leaving my collection for a very long time.

I bought both. GBLE will sit next to MMr.

Well said and without profanity - thank you. I feel exactly the same. CGC due to delays and sub par playfields should simply throw a bone to the affected buyers and communicate the issues. If they offered me free color for the sub par playfield I would be fine with it. Instead, they will offer to sell me a diffuser which does nothing to address the problem or compensate.

Love the game otherwise, but will be my last one from them unless they admit to the quality of the playfield ink and give some compensation for it. The claim that the LEDs are too bright is laughable - especially when the exact same LEDs are in the earlier MMrs and they have no insert issues. It is a shame.

It will hurt them also. I won't buy another title unless they admit the ink problem on my MMr. I won't gripe and complain, but I will just add another Stern to the collection instead.

Yeah, reality is the fact that people will fork over cash for new machines regardless of the faults. Like I said, MMR overall is very nice and I am happy with it when considering the big picture. My concern is that going forward it may not be supported correctly due to less than honest assessment of the inserts. I think most owners would be happy with a small concession for the insert problem and the ones that will not take a concession would be happy with a refund. If CGC would do this I believe they could restore their credibility.

We shall see.

My inserts look exactly the same. Definitely better than many of them, but not as good as the first run. Change out the speakers to dual cone and a powered subwoofer and you will have a completely different sounding machine.

These work great. Fit perfect and sound great. Make sure you see the thread about replacing MMr speakers showing the wiring changes:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-TSG1345R-5-25-Inch-2-Way-Speakers/dp/B00NF5EQHK

Yes, that is why you have to wire them in series to double the resistance. There is a thread on "upgrading MMr speakers" showing how to wire it. It takes about 20 minutes total to swap out the speakers and wire them correctly.

I could care less if the standard buyers get a few perks. Good for them. It would be nice if CGC threw us LE owners a bone with free color for the 2+ year wait, but it is what it is.

Their #2 will have no color options for trim.

I have had my machine for 3 weeks now. Finally beat BFTK with a total score of 284,000,000. Ready for the color display and the fix for the faint callouts now.