Quoted from o-din:The resale prices of the machines he produced shows he really cared
... or that he only made 187 of them ... BBB's had issues ...
Quoted from o-din:The resale prices of the machines he produced shows he really cared
... or that he only made 187 of them ... BBB's had issues ...
He made as many as he had Capcom boardsets... that was a hard limit. I think he made close to 200.
I had very few issues with my BBB.. fewer than most recent Sterns and my WOZ. Had to twiddle the green bar wireform a bit to keep balls on, but I think that was more an aspect of the game's prototype-ness.
well, we have no Capcom boardsets and we can make games as there is interest ... so I don't think it's exactly a 'hard' limit.
Quoted from PPS:well, we have no Capcom boardsets and we can make games as there is interest ... so I don't think it's exactly a 'hard' limit.
For Gene it was...
Quoted from PPS:well, we have no Capcom boardsets and we can make games as there is interest ... so I don't think it's exactly a 'hard' limit.
You have emulation technology that simply did not exist in 2005 But definitely, make the games. Just PLEASE get CGC to dial up the quality control. You gotta admit, there's no excuse for some of the worst-looking shots people have uploaded. MMR is the 2nd most expensive pinball shipping right now, behind WOZRR (and maybe Hobbit?) .. it really should look that way.
What I don't understand about the playfield lettering is that CC makes playfields for Sterns and you never hear about this issue. Played an IM all night and noted how opaque the shield inserts were. My Mirco AFM
Playfield has no issue with opacity. Something is definelty up with the way this batch came out.
Quoted from PPS:PPS customers are being requested to finalize payments this coming week for all remaining LE customers and we are accelerating closing out our customers as quickly as we can and get ship instructions over to CGC ... we are trying to wrap up our customers and put the pressure on CGC to ship them all asap. It's a little challenging as waiting to collect (which is the right thing for most people) causes us to spend alot of time to try to get everything in and getting as many game as we can get allocated out. I cannot speak for the other resellers, but this is where PPS is.
rick
Should have purchased through PPS - Have not heard anything from Twisted Pins - they won't respond to Emails or phone calls and my game (like I'm sure many others) has been paid for "IN FULL" since the beginning so where is the customer service? Can PPS or CGC help?
Quoted from mmlpin1:Should have purchased through PPS - Have not heard anything from Twisted Pins - they won't respond to Emails or phone calls and my game (like I'm sure many others) has been paid for "IN FULL" since the beginning so where is the customer service? Can PPS or CGC help?
Twisted Pins was an authorized dealer, from my understanding, so I would certainly reach out to PPS and CGC to get a grasp on what is going on and your status with them. If they have you on record as paying in full I would abandon your relationship with Twisted Pins and attempt to do with all dealings with PPS.
Quoted from mmlpin1:Should have purchased through PPS - Have not heard anything from Twisted Pins - they won't respond to Emails or phone calls and my game (like I'm sure many others) has been paid for "IN FULL" since the beginning so where is the customer service? Can PPS or CGC help?
Many and I have asked. It is best to try TP, if you do not hear back you can call CGC and go to sales. I left a vm before xmas with them but have not heard back and have been meaning to call again. TP games are still shipping out, but we just haven't heard much.....
Quoted from gliebig:Glad I went through PPS. Jim was great to deal with.
Ditto. Great experience with Jim and PPS.
Quoted from mmlpin1:Should have purchased through PPS - Have not heard anything from Twisted Pins - they won't respond to Emails or phone calls and my game (like I'm sure many others) has been paid for "IN FULL" since the beginning so where is the customer service? Can PPS or CGC help?
The lack of customer service, as well as poor quality products, (cabinet stencils), I wonder just how long TP is going to remain in business.
After reading several posts here on pinside, I, for one, will never do business w/ them.
I wonder if they'll remain a licensed distributor for PPS machines after MMr...
Quoted from TaylorVA:Twisted Pins was an authorized dealer, from my understanding, so I would certainly reach out to PPS and CGC to get a grasp on what is going on and your status with them. If they have you on record as paying in full I would abandon your relationship with Twisted Pins and attempt to do with all dealings with PPS.
Does PPS or CGC have records connecting end customers with payments made to distributors? Or would our money still be held at Twisted Pins until the games are ready to ship and CGC requests money from TP? (I have always thought it was the latter.)
Quoted from shiffdog:Does PPS or CGC have records connecting end customers with payments made to distributors? Or would our money still be held at Twisted Pins until the games are ready to ship and CGC requests money from TP? (I have always thought it was the latter.)
No, they are reseller. No reseller in any company in any industry would not provide customer information, I certainly wouldn't if it's my business for many different reasons. They are 'just' reselling a product. I wish CGC could have this info, but there is no way ...
Quoted from shiffdog:Does PPS or CGC have records connecting end customers with payments made to distributors? Or would our money still be held at Twisted Pins until the games are ready to ship and CGC requests money from TP? (I have always thought it was the latter.)
joe, you still haven't gotten yours? that sucks, man.
Reselling a product implies that TP is buying it from CGC and then reselling it to their customer. My understanding was that the customer's money was sent to CGC and then a game was shipped direct to the customer. At no point is the product owned by the reseller.
Quoted from TaylorVA:Reselling a product implies that TP is buying it from CGC and then reselling it to their customer. My understanding was that the customer's money was sent to CGC and then a game was shipped direct to the customer. At no point is the product owned by the reseller.
My understanding is that CGC is paid when the game is done and that initiated the shipment details, etc. could be wrong on this, but that's what it sounded like from other posts.
Quoted from pintechev:My understanding is that CGC is paid when the game is done and that initiated the shipment details, etc. could be wrong on this, but that's what it sounded like from other posts.
So companies like JJP that asked for payment years ago are doing what with the money?
Quoted from TaylorVA:So companies like JJP that asked for payment years ago are doing what with the money?
The same thing your bank does with your money.
Quoted from TaylorVA:So companies like JJP that asked for payment years ago are doing what with the money?
Don't know about Twisted Pins, but Jack collected money back then because he was told production was soon. He forwarded all payments on to CGC. But to CGC it's just "xx games for Jersey Jack" not a list of who paid for what.
So it looks like Twisted may be the next outfit to have the mob after them with pitchforks and torches.
What we do and did was to have an ESCROW account for which we put every $ (and still do) of customer money, and then transfer batches of that ahead of the games being shipped to CGC. We did not and no not (unless the customer wanted to) collect other than deposits until close to game ship (sometimes that has failed due to CGC delays, but it's not our desire to be holding customer money for a long time).
ESCROW means to us that it's not really 'our' money and that we keep it separate from all other money. So, all of our customer money that is 'unearned' is kept in that account, that is generally the correct 'accounting' way to handle this. btw ... bank account interest rates have been at or close to zero for a long time so there's not any financial gain to holding any money these days unless you invest it, which is not safe either and we never do and never have.
What others do or don't do I am not sure, but what I believe we do is what others should be doing in some way.
Quoted from TaylorVA:Reselling a product implies that TP is buying it from CGC and then reselling it to their customer. My understanding was that the customer's money was sent to CGC and then a game was shipped direct to the customer. At no point is the product owned by the reseller.
Sure it is, as the customer is owned by the reseller, the 'contract' of sale is between the reseller and the customer. CGC is a drop-ship supplier. Any reseller is buying the game from CGC, we all are getting invoices from CGC for every game we sell. The reseller gets the money from the customer and then 'buys' the game from CGC, who in many cases will drop-ship to the customer. So the product is owned by the reseller in all cases.
rick
Quoted from pudluther:joe, you still haven't gotten yours? that sucks, man.
Nope, not yet. Which in itself is not a surprise given that a quarter of the LE run (or thereabouts) remains; I understand if the reseller put me behind others who paid for their slots before I bought yours. But I have no idea whether that's the case or not because there is no communication. Not that I much care where I am on the list, as I know others have waited longer than I have, but it would be reassuring to know that there is, in fact, a list that includes my name. JJP, for example, at least seems to tell customers how many are ahead of them in line.
I get Rick's explanation of the reseller model (that's how I always understood it to work), though having paid in full and then hearing crickets while the money just sits with the reseller (when a deposit could have served the same function) is a little unsettling. But at least there does seem to be an occasional mention of a TP game shipping, so I suppose it is just a matter of remaining patient. Well, sort of patient - I did have to scratch the itch to add a machine so I bought an old favorite, Cyclone, and am having it refurbished. (Ironically, by someone who also ordered a MMr and gave up on it!)
Quoted from PPS:What we do and did was to have an ESCROW account for which we put every $ (and still do) of customer money, and then transfer batches of that ahead of the games being shipped to CGC. We did not and no not (unless the customer wanted to) collect other than deposits until close to game ship (sometimes that has failed due to CGC delays, but it's not our desire to be holding customer money for a long time).
ESCROW means to us that it's not really 'our' money and that we keep it separate from all other money. So, all of our customer money that is 'unearned' is kept in that account, that is generally the correct 'accounting' way to handle this. btw ... bank account interest rates have been at or close to zero for a long time so there's not any financial gain to holding any money these days unless you invest it, which is not safe either and we never do and never have.
What others do or don't do I am not sure, but what I believe we do is what others should be doing in some way.
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2 things PPS did right. Very right. Only paid the deposit of $1000 until my game was ready to be shipped. When the balance was paid I had the game in less than 2 weeks.
Second thing is building all the preorders before building standards. I tried to buy 3 standards with cash before Christmas for customers and they would not do it. And I tried pretty hard.
Things don't always go right but I think we should give credit when credit is due.
My ONLY saving grace was that JJP asked me for my full payment almost 2 years ago and the Canadian dollar was virtually at par! If I had have had to pay now....gulp!
Still getting impatient though!
Some of us weren't as lucky as you were.
Other distributors did not behave the same manner as pps did.
I'm not naming names. Everyone that has followed the project knows who I'm talking about.
Turned out well for me as the Canadian Dollar was strong at the time.
Wouldn't help. Inkjet printers' ink is slightly transparent - that's how you get secondary colors form the CMYK colors.. Why true black is ALL the colors - CMY & K added together, plus, sometimes K is over-printed.
Quoted from o-din:have the mob after them with pitchforks and torches.
I am very close to doing an Amex charge back. Held off for the benefit of not hurting future charges but at this point I may just need to take care of myself.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:I may just need to take care of myself.
If you don't nobody will. It seems like those selling and making these are taking care of themselves. Plus when they start to hit the secondary market you will be able to choose one that has the defects of your choice, not theirs.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:I am very close to doing an Amex charge back. Held off for the benefit of not hurting future charges but at this point I may just need to take care of myself.
Keep us updated!
Quoted from mmlpin1:Should have purchased through PPS - Have not heard anything from Twisted Pins - they won't respond to Emails or phone calls and my game (like I'm sure many others) has been paid for "IN FULL" since the beginning so where is the customer service? Can PPS or CGC help?
Neither seems to be able to help. I've reached out to both and they're both responsive and communicative, but it sounds like they're about as frustrated with Twisted Pins as we are.
Quoted from mmlpin1:At Least you guys have games - I'm still waiting - ordered through Twisted Pins (during the pre-order stage how many years ago)... wonder how many others are waiting as well! - a bit frustrated at this point...
Still waiting here. Ordered day after announcement. Not through Twisted Pins, but still.
Shit.
Quoted from PPS:BBB's had issues .
Please elaborate. From my understanding those that put their $4500 down had no complaints once the game was delivered.
This thread has been totally hijacked now. At least now I know that 90% or more of new post's to this subject, are NOT a MMR being unboxed!
Any new unboxings lately? There has had to be some more recently made and shipped after the QC has been upped on the inserts. Just curious to see if this has been corrected and the text is visible. Please post some pics people for the eagerly awaiting. I don't want to see rats inserts showing up on mine since those were said would be good on inspection
Quoted from PPS:every sentence out
Great but what I want to know is when every MMR is going to be out....maybe then we'll start seeing some more unboxings.
Quoted from PPS:That is a question for CGC, we had expected it to be least a year ago.
Aren't you the spokesperson for the project? What's your role at this point? Just license holder and reseller?
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