Certainly looks like real pins to me

Will they let you lift the playfield since the show doesn't start for a couple hours?

Congrats. You bought a pinball machine and you are going to load it up with tacky junk. Please excuse us while the people here who have been waiting, patiently, some of them 6 moths, some of them 5 years, some of them 8 years, hope the MMr is very very close to original.

Try waiting a REALLY long time, or working REALLY hard on a pinball machine and then maybe you'll understand why we want pics and why we want them now and are excited to take whatever we can get.

Do you realize that I'm not stupid and I don't give a shit? I don't care if they make 50,000 of them, I don't care if the game becomes worth $2,200 the second I open it. I'm buying a NIB MMr, I'm paying $8K, and I'm fine with all of it.

How does the expression go? You can't fix stupid and you can't account for taste?

You know you are in a thread titled, "MMR - Spotted in person! TPF! Pics!!," right?

Feel free to slam MMR all you want, but maybe in a more appropriate thread?

Exactly.

I'm shocked we don't have some better high res photos or more HD video at this point. The pinball news pics are great, but not exactly high res.

Anyone in Texas going to bootleg the PPS presentation for us in a couple of hours?

You are assuming, very poorly, that if I wasn't buying an MM14 I would be being a mustang.

Nothing encourages innovation more than competition. If Stern wants those dollars, they are going going to have to step up their game. What does it say for Stern or JJP if an old, outdated, rehashed refake puts them out out of business? If MM14 is the cause of Stern or JJP going under, it wasn't, it was going to happen anyway, their problems were fairly large.

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You really want the game, but you paid your money based on the fact that it would have gold trim. So, if PPS does black, you will back out and buy a standard... which is the exact same game without a $250 shaker, a cab that isn't as good and it'll take at least 6 months later to get for the exact same price?

That doesn't make sense. You know you can just get standard trim on the LE, right? I could see the trim as a perk, but to back out of such an expensive established game because you have to have standard trim I don't understand.

In terms of the flyer, if PPS fulfills every promise except a trim color, I'm stoked.

Yes, really. The exact same price. It's not a personal dig, it's just a fact man. You don't have to go there. I don't blindly defend MM14, I'm actually quite critical toward it. Not my fault they are doing a really good job and I don't have anything to bitch about.

Okay. Keep guessing then, but to come out and say the standard won't be the same price is just incorrect at this point.

He tried. The plating process wasn't / won't hold up well. I saw a HUO LOTR LE and when you take the lockdown bar off it was fugly. If it can't handle the lockdown bar, it's not going to go the distance.

Maybe there is a plating process that would, but there is only so much money and time you can spend on trim as it's a perk that's not that important to most people.

Rick possibly switching to black based on feedback is proof he's doing everything we can. At the end of the day, it's just not going to be good enough for some people no matter what he does. Let's worry about the game instead.

It is a full color display, and you will never use a color DMD in the MM14. Right now, you can switch to a number of solid colors, an actual colorized display is something Rick might do in the future and can be done with a software update.

So, since this is a thread that has to do with MM14 and the TPF in regards to pics, now that people are starting to get home... Is there any more gameplay video out there that is ready to be uploaded?

So far, I think we have one, one minute clip.

Shaker, cab, trim, plaque, game number, I honestly don't care. I just don't want a standard and have to wait another six months for the LE's to be built first. After this weekend, I'm super glad I have an LE on the way.

And even if you can't, you can order the LED cheap online, the board looks easy to pull. It should only be a few bucks to have the work done locally.

Having the most / most expensive toys doesn't make it the best game out there and isn't necessarily the best value because of it.

Since you want to talk about value:

Before MM14: Nice but obviously routed MM = $12K

MM14: Brand new MM, warranty, upgrades etc = $8K

Even if it is less collectible, it doesn't mean it's going to be less desirable than 90% of the MM's out there. To some people, obviously you, yes, but to most people, I think the buyers have spoken.

You seem knowledgeable, I am asking this sincerely.

It's a fact that right now the LEDs in MM are only operating at a certain percentage of the brightness they are capable of. This has been stated by Rick, and the fact that they can get brighter to compensate for an LED if it goes out.

If an LED has a 50,000 hour rating, which means at that time it will be 70% bright, but the software is running the LEDs at 60% of their max brightness (I'm just making that up, hypothetical), wouldn't it mean that any replacement defective LEDs (at 50,000 hours) would look the exact same? You would have some LEDs only capable of 70% brightness, some capable of 100% brightness, but all of them running at 60% brightness.

Or is the brightness relative, at 25,000 hours the LEDs will only be 85% as bright as the software is telling them to be even though they are capable of being as bright as they should be?

So, then why is he dealing with all this and now offering a black option? Doesn't trying to make customers happy count for something? Maybe, if he treats customers right this time around they will want to buy from him again on the next go around.

Yah, he found that out.

I would be VERY surprised if it didn't happen. Honestly, I can see where you're coming from, and I can see where others are coming from. I like my games stock, I personally don't care about what color the rails are. On one hand, I can understand people who do. On the other hand, I can't fathom someone canceling this game over it. But, it doesn't matter if you get it, or I do, nor not, those people exist.

Exactly. A shaker motor isn't a $160 Stern shaker. The Williams shaker kits are usually $250. Trim, plaque, number, shaker, beefier cab... But Rick also talked about making the color DMD free for LE owners and a charge for standard. For me, I don't want to wait 6 extra months for the game, but there is plenty incentive to buy the LE IMO.

From what I heard, there is an adjustment but nobody said it was a menu adjustment. Also, the voltage wasn't low, it was fluctuating the entire time. So, at several points it was being moved up and down etc so it was probably never perfect. I think they would have greatly preferred a consistent low, then they could have compensated and been done with it.