Selling MMR slots is exactly what PPS was trying to avoid. If you are the owner of record, PPS will only provide warranty support to you.

Pretty sure PPS said you could not sell spots.

I would bet that your distributor has a waiting list and could reallocate your machine and get you your thousand dollars back. I don't know the exact circumstances but I definitely know there are people in line to get a limited edition. I have a few.

Given the deposit is nonrefundable at this point, it makes sense the distributor is asking you to fill the spot.

As far as selling your spot on the open market as long as you have the agreement made with your distributor so that he sends it to the proper person I don't see how it would make much difference to Rick. The machine is still going to the same buyer a.k.a. the distributor. How he distributes upon receipt can be to any customer, or even stock for that matter.

I sold my spot a few weeks back (and took a loss like the OP) - distributor had told me the same thing. It's not an issue - once the deal is done, the distributor just changes the ownership info. It was an easy and simple process. The only thing that can't change at this point is the trim color as the orders have been placed with PPS.

If anyone is looking for an MMR in black - this is an easy way to save $500. Good luck OP - took me a while to find a buyer but it eventually happened.

Just demand your original deposit back. What's the problem? PPS is rolling in all their new licensing cabbage and haven't they missed their ship deadline?

I agree, just demand your deposit be refunded. You are protected under consumer protection laws and product has not been delivered as promised. In conjunction, the manufacturer is not abiding by all aspects of the consumer protection law so they do not have a leg to stand on.

There is ZERO reason for you to take a loss on a pre-order that has not been delivered.

I would demand a refund
He also said these where shipping quarter 2 of 2014.

if i trade spots with you, do i make $500 ?

Any update on when these are shipping

ha

you will likely be told that their policy... blah blah blah, but look into the law and you don't have to give up or forfeit any cash due to the current circumstances >>> i.e. product not delivered as promised/ originally agreed time frame and product also not as originally advertised (no coin mechs mean it is not a coin operated device).

It really would be silly for you to give up cash when you are entitled to full refund.

I don't know much about the legal system but it seems that's where PPS thrives. I just feel that it doesn't seem right to take money for something for a prolonged period and later refuse refund to the people who supported you originally as the delays accumulate.

At some point the refund policy got muddled so that distributors could not do it and PPS was still able to. At this point, who knows what the possibility is.

Did anyone sign contract? Did anyone have the terms given to them in writing?

Going back on your word, never looks good.

People roll over this easily and accept a loss of that amount, even though the product is no where near completion? Seriously, if you get a full refund, I doubt PPS would have any trouble selling your spot.

I'm just going to assume I'm jumping to conclusions, but if you can't get a full refund, there is something seriously wrong with what's going on with this hobby man

YUP!

I get that people are bummed this machine will be shipping a few months late. But when you make a deposit that's advertised as "non-refundable" as of X date (which is ultimately pushed back ~ 6 months), not sure how you're in a position to complain if the deposit turns out to be ... non-refundable. Of course if delays continue to mount, or the product departs significantly from what was promised, I'd get the argument for revisiting the non-refundable deposit policy. But a few months doesn't seem like a tremendous delay in the world of modern pinball manufacturing.

That sounds good until you miss delivery dates that has moved from July to end of October best case. That's reason enough. Regardless Jints is trying to sell his spot.

soo glad I bailed early on.

you are right about that!

These are BOTH required in most states for the company to hold your money.

Wise up people! You can't believe everything a company (which NEEDS your cash influx) says.

For those that think not asking for a refund is a matter of principle, you are being hypocritical and have a double standard. If the company can't hold up on their end of the bargain then you are morally (and legally) absolved from your end of the agreement.

Refunds are available. From every distributor. No exceptions. No reason to lose $500 here.

I believe that has also been moved?

Who is your distributor? I would like to avoid them for all future purchases.

Recently here on pinside Rick said production starts in October.

Couldn't agree more.

It's beyond ridiculous that the OP would have difficulty getting his deposit back. No way that he should be taking a $500.00 hit on this. Get your money back!

Exactly.

Yep, he said it just a couple days ago.

Of course he added "+/-" to his October quote. I interpreted that as meaning the same thing as "ish".

Exactly! I got a bad feeling last November when dealing with PPS.

Bad feeling? It's happening . Stern is building it. The rest of this stuff is Pinside crap as usual.

goddam pinside crap!.jpg

not able to get your money back is crap.

Agreed. At least with JJP if someone wanted out they got a full refund so the only hard feelings were with the wait. Getting ripped off by PPS and losing your deposit is a completely different issue.....ish

Not true. Where do you get this assumption from?

Um... The law.

consumer protection laws are exactly for this sort of situation.

I could be wrong, but I interpreted Baiter's post as him interpreting Rommy's post (stay with me here lol) as saying that all distributors are freely/voluntarily giving refunds. Which, as you know, doesn't appear to be the case.

Bump for a good guy!

Have you contacted your distributor to request a full refund?

What about the waiting list? The dozens and dozens of people on the MMR waiting list don't want to save $500? Very weird that waiting list… very weird...

Sounds like the waiting list is for those that would like their money back.

There is no waiting list. I get the impression everyone in line for MMr is getting MMrLE.

First, whom is your distributor?
Second, I would contact PPS directly. They claim to have a long list of people waiting to buy.

Third and the most important, I would contact your lawyer. There are laws that protect against this very thing under consumer protection and they deal specifically with things like missed promises (i.e. contractual deadlines) for timing of delivery and change in product (i.e. missing coin mech to name 1 thing) along with the need to have explicitly written rules regarding refund policy which as of last week when I checked PPS does not have listed anywhere.

You have EVERY right to request a full refund and I would suggest you start documenting all actions, the timeline of your original order, and what you were originally promised.

It may seem like a bit of effort but I know for what I make per hour it would be worth it. I also think there is a decent chance you will have a few other people in the same boat as deadlines continue to be missed so there is the possibility for other to join in with the fight for consumer protection.

$500 to a pinsider versus $500 to a lawyer
Easy choice to me

Where are they now?

hold on, this is for the regular MMr, not the LE? who even orders a regular?