I'm in total agreement with you, that MM is a tried and true pin and has stood the test of time already. I totally confused what was important to me in this hobby when I pulled out of my MMr deposit slot earlier this year. Then a couple of month afterwards, when researching all the new games, It dawned on me that I'm going to be spending as much for some of the newer games (Stern Pro games excluded). So why risk an investment on a game that's not as time tested as MM?

All I have to say is, patience, or quoting Aaron Rodgers of the Packers; "R-E-L-A-X".
MMr/MMrLE will be in full production and delivered soon. Don't be distracted by all the delays. It will be worth the wait.

Oh, and as far as the MMr resell market post delivery? Why would I sell a game that I know well and would treasure.....?!

Good point about PPS. It's their first venture in pinball manufacturing. Delays were part of the expectation for their first pin. No?

I just hope that PPS has learned their lesson from MMr/MMrLE.

Yeah, like JJP's WOZ Emerald City Limited Edition, WOZ standard edition, then the 75th Anniversary Edition. What's next? The "Extremely Limited Limited Edition"?

Sure, considering MM classics were going for well over $10,000, even for less than perfect PF/cabs, before the MMR announcement. Speculators as well as private hobbyists jumped quickly on the MMRLE at $8K, gladly paying the deposits. Especially since the early info fog stated that only 1,000 total units were being made. Then, MMR unlimited.....

My hope is that after all the MMR and MMRLEs are made, PPS & Chicago Gaming's next game will be much lower, especially for the standard/pro versions, to be in-line with Stern's pricing. After all, the infrastructure has been paid for, hopefully.

I can't believe I just said that; Stern actually being fair and the sound of reason???

I realize that this topic is about MMr/MMrLE deposit refunds, but it's still about money. And many things could be best explained by "following the money".

Does anyone know what the profit is for a pinball machine, understanding that there are differences between companies, such as start up costs and licensing, etc...?

So, what is Stern's ballpark profit per pin shipped?
What is the speculation for PPS and MMR/MMRLE?
JJP?