MMR Protection Poll


By Oldgoat

8 months ago


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#1 8 months ago

I'm interested in knowing what others are doing or thinking about doing to protect their game. (I've purchased the Mantis protectors.... sidebar question...what all has to be removed to install the castle and drop hole protectors?) But I'm not sure what else, if anything, I should do. Please feel free to pontificate

#2 8 months ago

I am installing Mantis protectors and Cliffys and Pinbits plastic protectors. For the people who have installed the Mantis cobblestone design castle protector, have you drilled and installed a screw at the ball
lock? That protector has a hole in it, and I don't want to use tape. Any head's up on drilling the hole?

#3 8 months ago

I use both.

Mantis for the castle front and lock ramp area into the castle (the one piece protector that looks like stone), the Merlin scoop, and the moat eject. I didn't use the Mantis protector for behind the lock shot, I used Cliffy's.

Cliffy for the catapult, shooter, moat entrance, and behind the lock shot.

#4 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

For the people who have installed the Mantis cobblestone design castle protector, have you drilled and installed a screw at the ball
lock?

No. My game has been on location for over a year and a half, thousands of plays, no problem without the screw.

#5 8 months ago
Quoted from stangbat:

No. My game has been on location for over a year and a half, thousands of plays, no problem without the screw.

Do you have tape underneath the protector at the ball lock?

#6 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Do you have tape underneath the protector at the ball lock?

Good question. I don't remember. I may have put some of the 3M double sided heavy duty mounting tape under it. Wouldn't hurt. Sorry I can't say for sure.

#7 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

I am installing Mantis protectors and Cliffys and Pinbits plastic protectors. For the people who have installed the Mantis cobblestone design castle protector, have you drilled and installed a screw at the ball
lock? That protector has a hole in it, and I don't want to use tape. Any head's up on drilling the hole?

I have the same question. I think it would look more 'finished' if it had a screw. Not one of the hex head they provided but something a bit more flush. I am guessing that the curvature of the ball and the position of the screw is such that the head can stick up somewhat and not hit the ball. Curious to know if anyone went with a screw.

#8 8 months ago
Quoted from Oldgoat:

I have the same question. I think it would look more 'finished' if it had a screw. Not one of the hex head they provided but something a bit more flush. I am guessing that the curvature of the ball and the position of the screw is such that the head can stick up somewhat and not hit the ball. Curious to know if anyone went with a screw.

I am going to try the drilling approach using a countersunk screw. Might have to remove the castle to drill the hole straight without interference.

#9 8 months ago

I use no screw and no tape on the cobblestone Mantis protector. It's held with just the one center screw. I bend the protector slightly so that it is snug against the edge. I've had no problems in 500 plays.

#10 8 months ago

I have cliffys everywhere. I have mylar at the out hole, the moat kickoff on left orbit, and the right orbit where the ball launch lands.

My clear coat is flaking even at the outhole where I put mylar from day one. Clear also chipping around moat.

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#11 8 months ago

I should mention my game has about 5000 plays

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#12 8 months ago
Quoted from Okarcades:

I have cliffys everywhere. I have mylar at the out hole, the moat kickoff on left orbit, and the right orbit where the ball launch lands.
My clear coat is flaking even at the outhole where I put mylar from day one. Clear also chipping around moat.

Our MMRLE had similar flaking concerns out of the box. Specifically at the ball trough area. Contacted CGC and was told it's acceptable due to being hidden under the play field. The balance of the game has held up very well, but pretty shitty QC with clear flaking and a ball never touching the play field (excluding factory testing of course).

#13 8 months ago

Chipping at the outhole is going to happen to a certain extent. All my games have it to a degree. Okarcade's looks about the same as mine did before I put down Mylar. Can't remember how many plays before I put on the Mylar but it was probably between 4-5k. I'll look closer at my moat.

The rest of my playfield looks amazing after more than 7k plays. In all I've been pretty amazed how my playfield looks after the game being on location for over 1.5 years.

#14 8 months ago

For those of you putting down mylar in selected places, what 'kit' are you getting and where all are you applying the mylar?
Thanks

#15 8 months ago

Glad I dropped in on this thread I recently decided to start looking at an MMr, overall how would you all rate the playfield quality and build?

#16 8 months ago
Quoted from Oldgoat:

For those of you putting down mylar in selected places, what 'kit' are you getting and where all are you applying the mylar?

I buy it by the foot from Marco or Pinball Resource. I then cut it to whatever shape I need.

Quoted from J85M:

Glad I dropped in on this thread I recently decided to start looking at an MMr, overall how would you all rate the playfield quality and build?

You are going to get differing opinions on this as there are differences during the run. Mine is an early run with nice dark ink on the inserts. Mine has held up extremely well and looks great. It probably looks better than any new game's playfield that I've had on location.

Others have games with light black ink on the inserts, you'll probably find that some of these people aren't happy.

#17 8 months ago

Here is some info on that topic(protectors).
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-owners-club-all-things-mmr-discussed/page/15#post-3270153

Install on most of the protectors is pretty straight forward, however I could not get the merlin to sit well so I threw out and the left side eject looked like a p.i.t.a so I didn't install.

Cliffy now makes ball through protectors, I'm going to put one one. I'have had blue painters tape over that area since new

#19 8 months ago
Quoted from Wickerman2:

I use this:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html

Already had them so not needed. Chicken pox too; although I guess I need to get a vaccine to prevent shingles

#20 8 months ago
Quoted from stangbat:

I buy it by the foot from Marco or Pinball Resource. I then cut it to whatever shape I need.

Hmm, so where do you place the mylar?
Thanks

#21 8 months ago
Quoted from sparechange1974:

Install on most of the protectors is pretty straight forward, however I could not get the merlin to sit well so I threw out and the left side eject looked like a p.i.t.a so I didn't install.
Cliffy now makes ball through protectors, I'm going to put one one. I'have had blue painters tape over that area since new

I have the mantis but am considering Cliffy's It looks like a fair amount of disassembly is required to get the protection installed (other than the moat one) so I'd prefer to only have to do it once. Any downside to the Cliffy's for the other areas?

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#22 8 months ago

Is there a protector for the ball drain hole? (Hole below flippers where ball returns).

#23 8 months ago
Quoted from Oldgoat:

I have the mantis but am considering Cliffy's It looks like a fair amount of disassembly is required to get the protection installed (other than the moat one) so I'd prefer to only have to do it once. Any downside to the Cliffy's for the other areas?

Shooter lane, behind castle and even the catapult were fairly easy for Cliffy. I think a combo of both works best and maybe others can chime in. I was not able to get the mantis installed on the Merlin hole, once I bent it to get in the hole I could not get it round again(probably just me). Left upper eject hole on Cliffy seemed like a bear and have not attempted yet. Can't think of any down side.

#24 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Is there a protector for the ball drain hole? (Hole below flippers where ball returns).

Yes, they work well on Stern and I'm thinking they will work just fine on this game but have not installed yet

#25 8 months ago

What website are you guys buying Cliffy Protectors from for MMR?

#26 8 months ago
Quoted from pinmister:

What website are you guys buying Cliffy Protectors from for MMR?

Buy directly from Cliffy. It's a manual process (email him for a Paypal invoice), but it works.

http://www.passionforpinball.com

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#27 8 months ago

I installed the Pinbits merlin protector. It is a thin protector that lays on top of the playfield. Just an FYI that it creates stuck balls as it "cups" them on a ball launch when the ball is coming from underneath the damsel ramp. See the attached photo. The right edge of that protector lays flat over the corner no attachment (screw or tape) there. This issue happens quite frequently, enough to ruin a ball a game. The ball is stuck in a spot that the machine cannot clear on its own and requires the glass to be removed and manually rolled out.

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#28 8 months ago

That protector is a cliffy resold by pinbits. I've had it on for months and never had that happen. Is it possible it's not laying flat anymore?

Marc

#29 8 months ago
Quoted from mschonbrun:

That protector is a cliffy resold by pinbits. I've had it on for months and never had that happen. Is it possible it's not laying flat anymore?
Marc

Possibly. I was careful (installed it a week or 2 ago) not to bend it. I did put the bounce deadening foam that came with the protector, underneath the candy cane shaped black bracket. Maybe, the ball is supposed to impact the metal of that bracket and bounce out but the foam is impacting the ball instead from the side? I installed the foam as high on the underside of the bracket as possible, maybe it should be lowered from the top tip to the bottom more?

#30 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Possibly. I was careful (installed it a week or 2 ago) not to bend it. I did put the bounce deadening foam that came with the protector, underneath the candy cane shaped black bracket. Maybe, the ball is supposed to impact the metal of that bracket and bounce out but the foam is impacting the ball instead from the side? I installed the foam as high on the underside of the bracket as possible, maybe it should be lowered from the top tip to the bottom more?

I installed the foam so that the ball impacts the foam and then bounces down into the hole. I had to trim it once as it was not allowing the ball to properly eject.

I can take some pictures when I get home for fit and positioning.

Also, I was wrong about this being a cliffy product. Looks like this is pinbits only. Sorry about that.

Marc

#31 8 months ago

Anyone bother to install Pinbits plastic protectors? Getting ready to do this and wondering if MMR owners think it's worth it.

#32 8 months ago

Do the Pinbits plastic protectors go on as blue or does that peel off? Never used them before...

#33 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

does that peel off?

Peel off.

LTG : )

#34 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Anyone bother to install Pinbits plastic protectors? Getting ready to do this and wondering if MMR owners think it's worth it.

Yup! All installed without issue. They are clear and look great. It's nice to have the extra protection.

Marc

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#35 7 months ago

Anyone know why there's a plastic missing on MMR that was on MM? That'd be the plastic on the left of the castle gate shot, right side of ball lock shot. Pinbits includes a plastic protector for it but it is not there on MMR.

#36 7 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Anyone know why there's a plastic missing on MMR that was on MM? That'd be the plastic on the left of the castle gate shot, right side of ball lock shot. Pinbits includes a plastic protector for it but it is not there on MMR.

Wasn't on MM either. Some people made a plastic for that spot over the stainless steel guide, some even figured a way to light it. So Pinbits made a protector for it.

LTG : )

#37 7 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

I installed the Pinbits merlin protector. It is a thin protector that lays on top of the playfield. Just an FYI that it creates stuck balls as it "cups" them on a ball launch when the ball is coming from underneath the damsel ramp. See the attached photo. The right edge of that protector lays flat over the corner no attachment (screw or tape) there. This issue happens quite frequently, enough to ruin a ball a game. The ball is stuck in a spot that the machine cannot clear on its own and requires the glass to be removed and manually rolled out.

Taking the deadening foam out solved this.

#38 7 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Taking the deadening foam out solved this.

Glad you solved it!

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#39 6 months ago

Posted this on the MMR club thread; however, the conversation went down a long path on flipper alignment. Seems like this is a better place for this anyhow

Stupid question(s) for the week. I purchased the merlin hole protector from pinbits. It says it is compatible with the mantis hole protector. I've read about issues installing the mantis so I was going to hold off on doing that. Is there any requirement that the mantis be installed first or can you install it at a later time? Second question, I was surprised to see a piece of mylar the same shape as the protector. Having no experience with Cliffy's, as a general question, is that typical for these types of protectors? I assume installation is simply remove the one post, put down the mylar, put the protector on top of the mylar positioned such that the post screw goes through the hole in the protector, replace the post and viola. Am I missing a step? Finally, I got the mylar protection pack at the same time. Lots of pieces of mylar in it. What are the top recommended spots to put it down?
Thanks

#40 6 months ago
Quoted from Oldgoat:

Is there any requirement that the mantis be installed first or can you install it at a later time? Second question, I was surprised to see a piece of mylar the same shape as the protector. Having no experience with Cliffy's, as a general question, is that typical for these types of protectors? I assume installation is simply remove the one post, put down the mylar, put the protector on top of the mylar positioned such that the post screw goes through the hole in the protector, replace the post and viola.

You can install the Mantis later. Installing the Mantis is generally difficult. Also, installing both the Pinbits and the Mantis is a bit overkill. If I understand correctly, you also got a mylar shaped to fit under the Pinbits? If so, you are truly overdoing it by installing a Pinbits over a mylar and with a Mantis. This will be the first time I've heard of someone installing two forms of protection, never mind three, in one place.

Mylar is generally for flat areas to help prevent wear from a ball repeatedly rolling over the flat area, such as between the pop bumpers. Mylar is not generally used to prevent impact wear at holes, for example. Cliffy and Mantis protectors help prevent impact wear at the edges of wood cutouts.

#41 6 months ago
Quoted from nosro:

If I understand correctly, you also got a mylar shaped to fit under the Pinbits?

Yeah, in the little envelope with the protector was a piece of mylar the same shape as the protector. Seemed odd to me (which is why I asked). However, I thought maybe it was due to the type of adhesive on the metal protector. Perhaps if it needed to be removed, it messes up the playfield? Hence why you put down the mylar first?

#42 6 months ago

Does the metal protector come with an adhesive back?

#43 6 months ago
Quoted from nosro:

Does the metal protector come with an adhesive back?

Yes

#44 6 months ago

It's your call. Personally, I do not install protectors that cannot be reversed. I do not peel off the release paper on Cliffy's that have adhesive (such as slot protectors) and I have not had a problem. I have not tried the MM Merlin protector from Pinbits, but it may be worth trying without the adhesive.

I'm biased against mylar in a home use machine, so I'm probably not much help with advice on that.

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