Then don't read it

Very helpful. Thanks. I'll stop reading progress updates because some people refuse to stop flogging a long dead horse. Makes sense.

How about going back to the BS $8k price tag they're charging

If you aren't even a buyer, why do you care? There are only 1000 LEs because that's what Rick and Matt decided there would be. If anyone thinks the SE is 'a lesser product' or not worth the price, they won't (or shouldn't) buy it.

What PPS is doing for the pinball community is wonderful. I'm getting really tired of reading posts complaining about what wasn't done rather than applauding what was done. You don't like that the game is $8k? Don't buy it. You really want an LE? Get on a wait list now or wait and buy an HUO one down the line.

If you're not a buyer then shut up please

Are you aware of the fact that "LE" means "LIMITED edition"?

Thought it meant that it has "Literally Everything" as the standard for the same price

Well as a company that is new to the manufacturing game it is probably important that customers trust what you say. Those that got in on the LE had to go off of very little information and put down 1K to secure it. Standard owners have the luxury of being able to wait to see how the LE run goes before putting money down. That is unless they want the game sooner rather than later and are willing to put down a deposit. So there was an incentive for people to make the jump and be in on the project early not the first time we have seen that happen.

_{Post edited by The_Dude_Abides : I edited the post before you got your response posted. Point is LE buyers had to act quick not knowing all the details. I know I didn't}

Ya done good mate. Nuff said.

Rick,

I responded back to your email on Wed about waiting list and waiting to see what happens. No problem getting in the deposit if get the email back approved. PM me if needed. Best thing about LE is having the shaker now that you did what everyone wanted in giving us extra coat or clear coat on both versions or whatever its called. Thanks.

Agreed, I think the Addams plaque is perfect!

Well, I wouldn't want to see that giant white box...just the logo, naturally fitting on the background like the Williams one would be fine.

I have a feeling "purists" are gonna buy a new Williams logo speaker panel and Williams logo translite anyway lol...something about it not having any logo seems "bootleggy" to me, I dunno...anyway - I'm not gonna lobby hard for it - just throwing it out there. Rick will do what he wants to do!

Rick,

I'm in on the LE run through JJP, (down payment has already been accepted).

Will I be able to pick up the machine from the manufacturer to save myself the shipping fees?

If so, will I have to pay sales tax?

he already answerd that and yes you can pick it up. But I'm not sure on the tax I wouldnt think so because you did not buy it in state.

Will I be able to buy an extra translite directly from PPS?

I know it's far off at this point, but for the run of standards, are you planning to just do one run? Or would smaller runs be considered say in 2 years if demand is there? Similiar to how stern has done with their better selling games.

Probably in hindsight it might have been easier to announce "an initial run of 1000" but not limit yourself to anything. The LE designation really boxed you in.

WAIT WAIT WAIT A SEC HERE....

So you're bitching about paying 8k for the same thing, but yet WoZ owners got LE's for 1500$ ***LESS*** than you're going to pay for a WOZ STANDARD or a HOBBIT, and you're completely okay buying that?! Yeah, that makes sense!

PinballInc - aka James - seems to be doing a great effort at CYA, though I'm not sure why unless he's a buyer on this as well.

If they don't fit...great? You can make some new molds with minor tweaks and gain a ton of new customers. If they DO fit...great? You just got a ton of new potential customers for free? Your only culpability seems to be to label the current ramps as "MAY NOT FIT REPRO MM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE" until you get a chance to find out... easy enough...

+1

Two words: solid gold.

Yeah, believe the dude on the sidelines making after market ramps but question the guy making MMr (in collaboration with Williams overseers) who also happens to own the license for all B/W parts?

What exactly does "insider knowledge" mean to you anyway?

Boxed them into what? They sold out the LE way faster than expected, and went on to announce an essentially identical SE (which was alluded to as a possibility in the intro speech). Seems like they did what they would have done if the orders hadn't been so heavy, they were just expecting to sell the machines over 3 weeks instead of 3 hours.

You are quick, I deleted the comment as I didn't want to start trouble. The PinballInc guys aren't just random guys on the sideline, they've done a lot for pinball and my guess are pretty well connected. I don't think it's a sour grapes issue, I think he was coming out and saying that the game will be more different than we think, and he is probably in a position to know.

Watching from the sidelines it had the appearance of sour grapes! Sounds like they got shut out of the project.

jmho

I'm not an expert, nor a tax attorney, but deal with taxes from an eCommerce standpoint. In the internet world, which I believe reflects the real world in this case, you pay tax when you buy something from a company that has a physical presence in your state. Many states expect you to pay the sales tax for the item on your state tax return if you did not pay the sales tax on an out of state purchase (yeah, bet this happens a lot -- not).

PPS does not have a location in Illinois, so the act of picking it up in Chicago should not result in a tax burden, if you have bought from them. However, if you buy from an Illinois based distributor, that is likely a different scenario. If you buy from a distributor in the state you live in, you are likely going to pay tax. I am not sure of the scenario of buying from a distributor in your state, but picking it up in Chicago, my guess is you will pay tax, since you bought it from someone with a physical presence in your State.

Yah, I don't know, it's all so cryptic and passive aggressive feeling. I'll stop commenting in the FAQ thread now. Sorry to de-rail, I wish I got to the delete faster.

Bingo

Well for the minimal actual gold involved in plating, I don't think so. It certainly would make the games special. Gold plate with clear finish could be the best option for avoiding tarnish. Just please don't go the gold powder coated route. Yuck.

Here is a post from a fellow member who had test played the machine and his words describing it:

(member: Pinballphil)

OK, First I'm a little reluctant to even post since I'm selling these quickly without even advertising. I have been in the Home Arcade business full-time since 1978 and have never seen such a buzz about a new release before. I've been dealing with Chicago Gaming for 20 years. I was involved since the beginning of this project as well as their successful Arcade Legends game. My main business is home service calls and I am very busy in the Chicagoland area. I only say that because I am not a regular pinsider and don't really have time to get involved. I can offer periodical updates. I personally know the owner of the factory producing this game and I can say that they are a very reputable company that has been in business for over 100 years. They build many cabinets for many coin-op brands. I've even seen an antique trade stimulator that had their name stamped on the cabinet inside.

Now for the best news!! I just played the prototype yesterday. It is awesome! It plays just like the original with their new electronics. It's still early in the stages but it is a phenomenal copy of the original. It is running with Williams software and their own new electronics. I will say from a technician's view, the new system is incredible. It will make service so easy. Connectors for switches, no lamp or switch matrix, interchangeable processor/driver boards, a reliable cpu, a lot less wires. Did I say a lot less wires, I mean like hardly any! As for reliability, these surface mount LED's and components have improved so dramatically with cell phones that there is no reason to ever consider building a pinball the old way. Let me ask, who's worried about the bouncing of their cell phone in their pocket? I really think the vibration issue isn't an issue at all. As for the LED's, they look great! Their light fill the lenses completely, with a perfect hue and no strobing at all. The cabinet looks better than any repro I've seen. I'm not just saying that, I'd stake my 35 years in the industry on it.

I have a limited number of these LE beauties available. I am also offering extended warranty packages. I don't want to list my phone number but check out my website to find it or email me through pinside if you are interested.
Thanks for understanding and I will email updates to all my clients and try to post on pinside as I see the progression

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Hi Rick, thanks so much for answering all of our questions regarding the MMR. I see you mentioned as duplicate orders and non-response orders are sorted out people that have paid their deposit for a standard will slowly be contacted and offered the LE's as they free up. I'm wondering if that is the case with all the distributers or if I've sent in my $1000 deposit for a standard and that's what I'm getting? I was told that I was close but missed it.

From what I understood from an earlier response from Rick, this would be up to the individual distributors on how to handle this.

I received an email from pinballsales this morning saying that I was up for a MMR LE. I thought I missed the boat on the LE's.

I think a bunch of people that thought they wouldn't get one, will. Soooo many people put in multiple orders...

What exactly is proven quality in pinball now a days? I'm in for MMr and Zombie Adventure Land, both not even close to release. Others are in for WoZ, Hobbit, ST, or Predator, etc. Some of those pins haven't been released and those that are, have technical problems or unfinished software. Hell, my nearly two old X-Men LE has disappointed me to tears. What about MET? I believe that MMr in general is no more risky than the others, probably less so.

I'm speaking of build quality. It's just my opinion.

Congrats!!

I thank you for the rerun and I appreciate that LE gets a plaque and trim preference. They also get the free shaker. My only head scratcher was when you said the playfield's would differ. Thanks for realizing that was not a good thing. Looking forward to my non LE that I have a deposit on thru Little Shop of Games.

Question: I saw you addressed the distributor's who sold LE's I think it would be good to give the non LE distributors as well. I have not seen that list.

Did any one hear if JJ / GEX was allotted any LE MM?

makes sense-I can tell I worded my response in a way that seemed negative, sorry about that.

I'm wondering the same thing.

Yes we got some, But the Firm # is still up in the Air At PPS. And of course the Standards