ON TOPIC

Here's a suggestion to assist Planetary Pinball read through this thread. Begin each post with a identification heading as I've done here.

Two examples I'm suggesting:

A. ON TOPIC
or
B. Total bull$shit, Rick and I'm deliberately wasting your time. - Welcome to the swamp.

Kim
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/

On topic.

I can give you a thumbs down if you want.

Rick, Can you answer what, if any current mods will work with the new machine? (Besides obvious ones like Mirror Blades, Shooter Rods, Leg Protectors, PinGulps, etc...) Or will the people who devised these need to re-engineer them?

I'm not a big mod guy, but do like the troll eyes, be nice if that was on the LEs, but I know that would piss off the purists.

Purists can go get the oldie version

I am guessing it wouldn't get WMS approval if mods were pre-installed. I am hoping they have some sort of aux 12V for mods. If not, people can always mount a PC power supply. I have one in my TZ for my aftermarket audio.

Woot! The more MMRs in South Jersey, the better!

Can we just do the "locked thread" trick and allow PPS only to post updates? Continue this thread if you like and ramble away on whatever, but it's becoming a bit swampy

Does RPG3, Assembler and PL/1 count?

You use smiley faces way too much.

My first job as a programmer straight out of college was working with assembler and PL/1 on a mainframe back in 1995. What a culture shock. Then spent 10 years doing c/unix (back in the comfort zone). Now doing java/jboss development and having some more growing pains... Its funny how many ways there are to do the same damn thing. Hehe

FYI: I'm feeling kinda shitty about my previous post here. I go off topic myself as we all do around here and I humble accept the Pinside hypocrisy award.

Carry on Pinsiders.

Kim
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/

PS. Hey, Rick. How about remaking Joker Poker.

I would still like to know this. Being able to turn down "torch mode" would make the game a little more like the original to me. I believe the Stern GI can be turned down, but I'm not sure about the inserts.

I like torch mode so, I think them being adjustable would be the best way to please everyone, at least in this regard.

PL/1 one of my favorite languages -- and yes it counts!!

You can thank me for one. I just am going to wait and see how everything works itself out and wish the best for them making this game. If anything they can always make more as indicated and not much difference for the standard, just would need a shaker for the most part that matters to me. Hope you enjoy it.

If the location of the holes in the sides of the cabinet for the backbox pivot brackets is off just a little on the reproduction cabs then mirror blades won't line up.

Why is that?

Mirror blades, as I thought I made clear, are one of the items I am not worried about.

This was asked a while back in another thread but I don't think I've seen it directly addressed:

"Will [MMr] be improved using full quality 44KHz sounds, music, and voices as seen on the original Williams website as sample downloads?"

I would imagine they'll upgrade everything that makes sense, from a tech perspective. Why the hell not? The LCD and boards, are two examples. Why would they reproduce 1997 sound quality...with errors as well? They won't.

Assuming the original high quality sound assets still exist, hard to imagine they wouldn't want to use those. But that'd be an assumption which PPS could presumably clear up one way or another...

it doesn't sound like that many original assets survived, and the ones that did are on floppy disks that are nigh unreadable (if i recall correctly). but yeah an answer from them on how they're acquiring the sounds would be interesting.

If current blades don't fit someone will make ones that do.

I did the website and should still have all the sound files plus some that were never put up. But I'd be very surprised I have anything PPS doesn't.

I'm hoping the quality of the wood used is equal to the original. When you play a Stern you can tell and I think their cabs are a pretty big part of that.

Oh man this is going to be FREAKING AMAZING if you can pull off this level of quality from the original sound masters...

http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/Williams/games/medieval/mm_sounds.html

There are many ways to read old floppy disks. Unless the disks are actually bad, I am surprised they didn't put forth the effort to get what they can from them. The floppy disk theory doesn't really hold water. You don't even need an old computer.

http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html

Also by the time this game was made, I am pretty sure we were all using 3.5" floppy drives, which are even easier to read. Many USB options are available for 3.5" disks.

I sell and collect old computer games on the side and easily 90% of the disks I use are still in working order.

When Doom3D conversion came out, I pulled my old Doom disks out and installed a floppy drive.

The discs would no longer read.

They were stored in a floppy disk case on a shelf above my desk.

Yeah, they are pretty much beyond the estimated lifespan. Just saying, a good portion of them continue working long after that and that files being on floppy disks doesn't immediately make them unreadable.

I wish there was more solid info on if the original recordings (analog or digital) are still entirely available and if so, what media they are stored on. To me this is a cool opportunity to look "on the other side" and have a reason to discover what was once lost.

A bunch of my floppies work fine on my MacSE

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Where did you get the drive? I work with old systems at times and use floppies occasionally as needed. The disks are usually fine; it's the drives that are shot. If you want to read a floppy, get a NEW usb floppy drive and use that. Most original floppy drives are full of dust and crud, and many are likely out of spec electronically. If you must use an old drive, get a stack of sacraficial floppies and run format operations with them until one fully passes. This will help clean the crud out before ruining your valuable disk.

http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Floppy-Drive-FL-UDRV/dp/B00E9MD700/ref=sr_1_1

$14. I use these all the time for work, metalik is right, using an old drive is asking for trouble.

I think this is more user bias. I've had plenty side by side and there was no glaring deficiency in regards to cabinet construction in either direction IMO. Sorry don't want to derail the thread just couldn't keep my trap shut.

Yeah we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I appreciate your opinion, I still disagree

I disagree with your disagreeing to disagree.

DAMN YOU Ted!! Why won't you just let us disagree on our disagreement to not agree...

I agree!

What he stated is plain fact, there's nothing to disagree about. I changed out the crummy Goldwood speaker in my ACDC premium - all you have to do is look at the edge of the wood at the hole. The bottom panel of current Stern cabs is half the thickness of WMS, JJP and older Stern cabs. It's so thin and cheap that when I actually turned up the bass, the cabinet rattled to the point I feared it would come unglued and I had to back it down quite a bit. "Disagree" all you want, but next time you're around a newer Stern, try busting out a ruler... reality will quickly hit you.

Newegg.com

Value add items like this will make a huge difference to buyers, especially if they are debating between an original and the new.

No it's not sorry man. Are you the type that just can't stand that others see things differently than you?? Sorry you if had difficulty with yours I've never had a problem with one of my newer Stern cabs so far thankfully. I don't care about measuring in my time owning them never have they had issue nor did I think they felt inferior in any way.

Thanks for your permission chief!

Okay then your right no one but you has the right to an opinion on the matter since you think your opinion on how they feel when you play them is 'fact'. Back on subject there is no reason to even discuss this any further.

We're seeing things differently? So you're seeing a 3/4" bottom panel where I'm seeing a 3/8" panel? Might need to get your eyes examined...

Or are you just a Stern fanboy who refuses to admit he's wrong? There is no "opinion" or debate about whether something measures 3/4" or 3/8". I also have to laugh at your 'feeling' comment, as we have ACDC, StarTrek and WOZ all next to each other, and the WOZ "feels" MUCH more solid than the other two. All are fun but the Sterns are rattletraps...

Also, you're not exactly the only one who has owned pins for many years...

Okay then your right no one but you has the right to an opinion on the matter since you think your opinion on how they feel when you play them is 'fact'.

No, I claim as fact that Stern's current cab have thinner bottom panels than WPC or others. I claimed as my opinion that I thought it would fall apart after a speaker upgrade. Please do not distort what I write. And yes, there is no need to discuss facts.

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