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I have major doubts that the huge board under the playfield will survive ... for a longer time.
Not speaking about 1 or 2 years ... But what might happen in 6 or 7 years?
Anyone who knows / restored or played a MM without the glass can imagine what I mean as soon as the Troll assemblies starting their work 
They work quite beastly in a original MM !
I have really doubts ....
Ottawa, ON
Quoted from PPS:or Wizard Blocks ... lol
Lol................Eye of the Tiger Rick, Eye of the Tiger, focus on the prize....................Monster Bash and AFM next. 
Quoted from PPS:just let me know what game you want to see the prices dip and then I will say we are making it ... lol
Kingpin or BBB. I would take Kingpin without any hesitation. What is there like 9 Kingpins?
If BBB is on the list, then I'm going to have to find a way to raise some capital and space.
I'm all in for a BBB and MB!
But let's focus on the task at hand. MMRLE!
Those pics look great! Keep them coming!
This is my first NIB and want this machine like yesterday!
I'm hoping everything stays on track and they start shipping Q2 2014.
After that let's get the next great title in the works!
2 lines running! One for MMR's and One for ? 
Quoted from PPS:yes, the electronics industry for many years has gone primarily surface mount. Also, boards today unlike 20 years ago have less failure components for the same functionality, etc. Additionally, it's probably easier to replace or exchange a board than to repair it ...
It looks like you're still using through hole components for many of the parts that are prone to failure. The driver transistors look like they are TO-220, only bolted to the PCB, which allows for better heat transfer than the vertical mounting method used on the old boards. There are still DIPs in various places. Plus, like you say, it's easier to replace a board (as long as replacements are available). Splitting the driver board into multiple smaller ones makes this approach even more realistic. If one transistor fails, you don't have to replace the entire power driver PCB any more.
So.....is that really one HUGE green PCB in the center of the playfield, with two holes in it for the troll mechs? That looks like it would be a total PITA (and expensive) to replace instead of repair one SMT LED.....
The three driver boards are much smaller than expected, and look to be VERY modular... that's a good part at least!
Quoted from QuarterGrabber:Love the fact there is still a real knocker in the backbox.
It must be wireless, though. 
This is only a joke, and they probably just haven't hooked it up yet.
Quoted from Frax:So.....is that really one HUGE green PCB in the center of the playfield, with two holes in it for the troll mechs? That looks like it would be a total PITA (and expensive) to replace instead of repair one SMT LED.....
The three driver boards are much smaller than expected, and look to be VERY modular... that's a good part at least!
Drop the troll mechs, remove the driver PCBs, disconnect the cables, and unscrew the HUGE board. It doesn't seem all that bad to me. If you want to replace the SMT LED, you still can, though, it will take a bit more work than if those small, single LED board were sprinkled around everywhere.
Also, I just ran a quote (as a hypothetical) for a 16" x 30" two layer PCB with cutouts for the trolls, and it came to $41 each in quantity 100. That's without parts obviously. Compare that to the parts and labor for a bunch of wires, and I'm pretty sure this approach is less expensive.
I'm no expert on the inner workings of a pinball machine but can someone out there tell me the design is better than
the Vacation America playfield pictured below. So we can put that comparison behind us for good.
I've got one of these MMRLE's on order and this comparison has been brought up before.
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fyi ... we are going thru the final throws of duplicate orders, etc, and as any LE's from the machines PPS has to sell come up the secret is that we go thru our list of people who sign up for standards (from www.planetarypinball.com) ... that is the primary 'wait list' so to speak ... so if you go there and fill in the info, that is primarily what we work from when something frees up.
rick
Quoted from NinJaBooT:They twist out. Very easy.
pretty sure this is incorrect in reference to the led bulbs in this game.
Quoted from rommy:Is it easy to change a lightbulb? I can't see them. Sorry if you addressed this already.
If they are SMDs, it's not easy, but it is possible. Steady solder hand required.
-Wes
Quoted from JoeJet:How many pinsiders does it take to change a light bulb?
100....1 to change it, and 99 to bitch about the remake.... 
Quoted from spfxted:100....1 to change it, and 99 to bitch about the remake....
Very true!
Quoted from Captive_Ball:Having never played BBB, is it just an "11" because there are not many made? It's not ranked at the top.
It's just a pisser to play! I couldn't stop playing it! AND, it's right up my alley as a sci-fi theme...
Quoted from spfxted:It's just a pisser to play! I couldn't stop playing it! AND, it's right up my alley as a sci-fi theme...
Hence the reason you want AFM first.... 
I know you didn't make the 11 comment, just saying
Quoted from spfxted:It's just a pisser to play! I couldn't stop playing it! AND, it's right up my alley as a sci-fi theme...
It is! I played one this summer. It's wildly inappropriate for kids - luckily mine were concentrating on RFM. I can't say much about longevity and overall rules, but it was different with a cool theme and damn fun.
Quoted from Guinnesstime:It's wildly inappropriate for kids
Why? At the party I was at, the kids were playing it. Did I miss something on there? (Tube Dancer is mild)
........Oh yeah! I forgot to add Monster Bash to my want list.... 
Not sure if this was posted here so I will repost from another thread....
Quoted from PPS:guys ... I'm not really going to get 'into it' on this discussion, but here are a few late night comments:
- We always said we would not be directly building machines but we always said we will do what we can to enable the building of them, the timing last year when we started on this was right.
- Prices on MM's was staying very high and getting higher, so it was even more right to get try to get the pieces together to do this now. We had been trying to get a formula to move on something since acquiring the license, but we had other priorities (parts, etc).
- The license requires that the game look and play like original - no 'remake' will be identical - especially internally, whether it be ROHS, or chips not available, or just plain bad design that you have the opportunity to fix, so I think any remake would not have satisfied the 'exactness' requirement of some - so this decision got a little easier to do it the way we are doing it.
- We really do want to see these games in the hands of everyone that previously could not find one or buy one at a 'reasonable' price. So, for MM the price could have been higher given the astronomical prices that the game gets, but we just felt that this was the right price for the game, as well as obviously there is a bunch of startup and development cost - primarily with the electronics.
- We're just trying to do what we do, to get parts and enable games that leverage the license that we have, which we WMS/BLY created alot (not all) of the greatest games, and just want to continue and get the MM done.
- I'm sure there will be a few twists and turns along the way, so I'm sure some will delight in this, but it's part of getting things done, we're not really worried about that ... and if the project were to fall apart for any reason, we are doing what we can do to keep the customer getting stuck with the tab.
- Making repro 'stuff' is not simple, I think if anyone that has not tried to do so would, you would be amazed by the complexity of trying to get things right, even with prints, samples, etc. Progress would never happen if mistakes were not made ...
- Anyways, it's a really unique time that pinball has seen the resurgence that it has, so it's really nice to see some positive comments ..
It's so weird to see the backbox be so empty with just a little board and a knocker in there. It just goes to show you how technology has changed over the years since the WPC-95 system was created. I also like the prospect of there being even more available parts for MM for years to come.
Quoted from MXV:It's so weird to see the backbox be so empty with just a little board and a knocker in there.
I still remember the first time I got a peek in the cab of a new machine...almost empty compared to the EM machines.
Quoted from QuarterGrabber:Love the fact there is still a real knocker in the backbox.
with no wires yet.
Sana'a
Quoted from Nilroc:I'm no expert on the inner workings of a pinball machine but can someone out there tell me the design is better than the Vacation America playfield pictured below.
The less wires and interconnects the better from a troubleshooting / reliability standpoint.
So the MMr is NOT a better design than the Vacation America.
But, the MMr is still a better design than the original MM.
Quoted from Frax:So.....is that really one HUGE green PCB in the center of the playfield, with two holes in it for the troll mechs? That looks like it would be a total PITA (and expensive) to replace instead of repair one SMT LED.....
LEDs rarely burn out. Look at the 35 year old VCR you still have plugged in for some reason; it has been on 24/7 and the LEDs are still lit.
Even the #44 LEDs, when I open them to see why they "burned out", it is just the lamp wire is no longer soldered to the resistor, the LED itself is still good.
When the time comes to replace a burned out SMT LED, everyone will get their cherry broken and then post about their successes.
I'll bet the replace 5 of those driver transistors before a LED goes bad.
Quoted from PPS:yes, just fill in the blanks ... our part of making pinball more affordable!
"The next remake if there is one after MM will be ______ ", said by Planetary Pinball, 11/6/13 ... lol
I knew it!
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