just buy an original if you want one so bad.

I'm assuming that you ordered yours with the standard trim, not the gold trim, since you're a "purist"?

Typically no warranty doubling on commercial equipment. Check your CC's official policy, but generally no dice on something like a pinball machine.

P-ROC has hardware interfaces to Williams and Stern boards (and their own boards). Won't work with this unless that interface gets created, which won't happen. You could always completely re-wire the game to use one of the other board sets, as well as re-create ALL of the code, oh, and then you have to be careful with what you do with it, so you don't violate the copywrite of the sounds, images, etc. So, bottom line, never going to happen.

Sooooooo.....
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I heard PPS is listening to their purist customer base and is selling an option that will make the pin smell like it spent 15 years in a bar.

Why do you say it won't happen? If PPS starts pumping out thousands of games using these new boards, wouldn't it be in the best ineterest of the P-ROC guys to make it compatible at some point?

There would need to be a lot of machines produced to go through that effort,, and of course no one has seen the details of board yet to know what would be involved, and it would likely be a very different interface needed vs the Stern and Williams interfaces. In addition, the guy behind the hardware is trying to get his own pinball company up and running, so doing this would not be a high priority for him, by any stretch. Setting aside that challenge. Lets say that happened and you went through all of the trouble to totally re-create the rules from scratch. Figured out how to get all of the sound and the dots. What then? While you could use what you have done for your personal use, you cant commercialize what you have done, given the copyright material involved, unless PPS and Williams let you, which Rick has said, is not going to happen. Even if you don't do it for money, just distributing it could still get you into hot water. I have no doubt Rick and Williams are going to be focused on protecting their assets, especially on any machine that is desirable enough for a remake. JMHO

Every time somebody says "never" in regard to a MM remake, they turn out to be wrong.

Bump -

Hey Rick - You said you would post some higher resolution, more detailed pictures once you figured out how to get that done. Where do you stand with that? Can you tell us when that might happen?

Personally, I'm mainly looking to see how the bottom of the playfield is put together. While your manufacturer has a good reputation building pieces and parts, they DON'T have a good reputation building pinball machines. Seeing how the game is actually put together should increase my confidence.

Thanks,
Jaz

Rick (if you're still reading this),

I have some questions regarding the deposit and exactly when it becomes non refundable. You stated at Expo we can get a refund until Williams approves the game. From the sound of things, Williams approval of the game means it's done.

Is there going to be a gap between approval and making those deposits non refundable to give us a chance to read hands on reviews etc? Are you going to make the game very available to the community to play and test so that we have all the info we need before we commit? Any idea on how that is going to be handled?

Once the game is final, I would greatly appreciate some 3rd party reviews preferably by popular pinball people regarding the look, feel and play of the game, before our $1,000 is non refundable.

Thanks.

Hi Rick. I know this is a crazy request, but I'm gonna ask anyway. There are a number of people looking to buy or restore machines. Many are waiting to see what happens. If you could give us an indication of what the next machine or two would be, that would free many of us up to figure out our spending for the next year or so. If AFM is next then my search is over. Can ya possibly throw us a bone here?
Thanks again for hangin' with us!

What he said^^^^

I agree, Brian but the question(s) then become: Who is going to volunteer hundreds of hours writing the code? Will it be legal? Will it be public domain? How different will it be from the original code? Many other associated questions here.

I like the idea but see way too many stumbling blocks and long ways down the road.

Kim
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/

No updates from PPS in over 2 days and still no photos ?

Lift the kimono!!

Maybe there is no guarantee of a second title, unless the first one takes off. And seeing as how MM is their first game and they got get em sold, I can't image them saying anything that could hurt their potential sales.

Rick, you are awesome!! Make MMr a quality machine and you'll have me as a customer for every machine you may make.

Thanks! I 'get it'

Will we have a chance to read reviews and hands on reports by the pinball community before we have to commit our $1K deposits?

Bring on CC and AFM. Fingers crossed for BBB.

Hope you are feeling better Rick !
LTG : )

I hope you're getting better Rick. I had a touch of something last week myself. Cough, cough. And I rarely get ill. Nasty stuff.

Anyway, I was a little curious, correct me if I'm wrong, but by eliminating the switch or lamp matrix, doesn't that increase the number of wires and connectors that go to the boards?

Any idea on when the decision will be made by WMS to approve or not?

+1000

Thanks rick! I really appreciate your attitude and honesty in this thread, especially after it derailed for a few pages. Can't wait to get this machine in my home!

Thanks Rick, love the updates...cant wait to play the game!

I think Rick already knows that if the trim is powder coated gold everyone will be calling him and bitching about it. We all know gold power coat looks like ass and shouldn't even be considered an option.

It has to be plated.

I agree...powercoat gold is butt-ugly.

+++1 on that one!

Yes. What he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is correct, plated please!

Getting pics of this thing is like pulling teeth

To each his own but my experience with gold plated is nothing to brag about. It chips or scars easily, is very noticeable afterward and I'm unaware of a sufficient home remedy. My experience is based on Stern only. *I'm not bashing here, just saying*

Unless I hear something to change my mind I'll be very happy with standard trim.

Kim
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/

Where's the video of the laser projector? It's not like it's ANY different with any other company.

I'd still like to know about the question that was asked earlier about the refundable period...are we going to see concrete stuff after it's approved but before it becomes non-refundable? Will there be any kind of "grace period" so to speak?

*edit* Why can't the gold trim be plated, then a clear powder put on it for protection?

This was addressed above:

"Deposit is refundable before WMS Approval (moving us into production) on the game - this was stated to be expected by end of the year, hopefully sooner - production wants/needs to know 'firm' orders to know how many to produce. We will give notice that this happened and then I expect we expect to have any cancellations within a small number of days which we will specify."

What is the difference between chrome and gold plating? Same dipping process basically isn't it? It has to be done correctly and Stern finds someone that is the cheapest to do it. I had issues with chrome on Tron LE and it took forever to get it replaced. I think if done correctly, it should last. No coating is going to resist scratches.

Jeez! How long does it take to take a few pics of this machine.

I think the photo point was made clear here by Rick, at some point this weekend there should be some clear photos taken and posted. It's only Saturday morning give them a chance to wake up smell the coffee, greet their kids, talk with their spouses and maybe have some honeys do's to do and then head out to take some shots.

Deep breaths in and out, in and out...... ahhhh! I'm sure photos will be posted soon.

Agreed and I think some of the high end retailers probably have good stuff albeit expensive. So you can take my post with a grain of salt...

The problem with the scratching on the Stern gold plating was the black metal underneath. It sticks out like a sore thumb. YMMV

Kim
http://www.WrongCrowdProductions.com/

Okay, thanks. Guess I missed the second part of that. Thumbs up for slapping me around.

How much more is brass than gold plating? Just wondering...

Never seen any pinball gold plated. It's all brass plated that I know of.
As far as brass over gold powdercoat theres no question Brass is better.
Gold powdercoat looks like crap. I'm just not a fan. I know Back alley does it and I like everything he does but that.

Yeesh, I'd be less concerned about the hubcaps and hood emblem than the engine and transmission!

We already know the transmission is good
The hubcaps and hood emblem should be equally as good. Don't cheap out there.